SIMPLE EVIDENCE OF NO GODS

[Ric]

On 8 Apr 2007 06:38:57 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>
wrote:

>Pastor Dave ran from my challenge - again! He's all mouth when he
>doesn't have to support what he says, but when you put him in the hot
>seat, all he does is yell "Ouch!".
>
>I provided the evidence he asked for - the evidence on which he
>claimed he could discuss the science, and he ran from the evidence I
>supplied and the discussion I offered.
>
>I asked him to provide the same level of evidence for his religious
>beliefs that he demands of the evolutionists (who have provided quite
>ltierally mountains of evidence for the Theory of Evolution), and he
>even ran from that.

Hi Budikka666,

If I may ask, what is the "header" subject to this post, and what
newsgroup was it posted? I'd like to read it, but I can't find it
here in this NG.

Thanks,

Ric

 

[Pastor Dave]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:40:55 -0500, Ric claimed:


>On 8 Apr 2007 06:38:57 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Pastor Dave ran from my challenge - again! He's all mouth when he
>>doesn't have to support what he says, but when you put him in the hot
>>seat, all he does is yell "Ouch!".
>>
>>I provided the evidence he asked for - the evidence on which he
>>claimed he could discuss the science, and he ran from the evidence I
>>supplied and the discussion I offered.
>>
>>I asked him to provide the same level of evidence for his religious
>>beliefs that he demands of the evolutionists (who have provided quite
>>ltierally mountains of evidence for the Theory of Evolution), and he
>>even ran from that.
>
>Hi Budikka666,
>
>If I may ask, what is the "header" subject to this post, and what
>newsgroup was it posted? I'd like to read it, but I can't find it
>here in this NG.

Budikka is an idiot. He got his ass kicked by me
a long time ago and he got all pissed off, ranting
and raving and issuing challenge after challenge,
in which he couldn't even handle it and is still so
upset, that he still chases me around, screaming
that I'm running from him. BAWAHAHAHA!!!


--

The torture of a bad conscience, is the Hell
of a living soul. - John Calvin

 

[Ric]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:40:55 -0500, Ric wrote:

>On 8 Apr 2007 06:38:57 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Pastor Dave ran from my challenge - again! He's all mouth when he
>>doesn't have to support what he says, but when you put him in the
hot
>>seat, all he does is yell "Ouch!".
>>
>>I provided the evidence he asked for - the evidence on which he
>>claimed he could discuss the science, and he ran from the evidence I
>>supplied and the discussion I offered.
>>
>>I asked him to provide the same level of evidence for his religious
>>beliefs that he demands of the evolutionists (who have provided
quite
>>ltierally mountains of evidence for the Theory of Evolution), and he
>>even ran from that.
>
>Hi Budikka666,
>
>If I may ask, what is the "header" subject to this post, and what
>newsgroup was it posted? I'd like to read it, but I can't find it
>here in this NG.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Ric


Hi Budikka666,

I originally posted this in a newsgroup with I don't think you
receive. Anyway, if you would be so kind as to inform me of the
header subject and the newsgroup you posted this material, I would
like to read it.

BTW, I came across your post (above) in alt.bible, so if you would,
please post your reply there, if possible.

Thanks,

Ric

 

[Ric]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 02:13:17 -0700, Pastor Dave <noway@nowhere.com>
wrote:


>>Hi Budikka666,
>>
>>If I may ask, what is the "header" subject to this post, and what
>>newsgroup was it posted? I'd like to read it, but I can't find it
>>here in this NG.
>
>Budikka is an idiot. He got his ass kicked by me
>a long time ago and he got all pissed off, ranting
>and raving and issuing challenge after challenge,
>in which he couldn't even handle it and is still so
>upset, that he still chases me around, screaming
>that I'm running from him. BAWAHAHAHA!!!


Hi Dave,

Do you recall the subject header, or was this too long ago?

Thanks,

Ric

 

[John Baker]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:41:26 -0500, Ric wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 02:13:17 -0700, Pastor Dave <noway@nowhere.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>>>Hi Budikka666,
>>>
>>>If I may ask, what is the "header" subject to this post, and what
>>>newsgroup was it posted? I'd like to read it, but I can't find it
>>>here in this NG.
>>
>>Budikka is an idiot. He got his ass kicked by me
>>a long time ago and he got all pissed off, ranting
>>and raving and issuing challenge after challenge,
>>in which he couldn't even handle it and is still so
>>upset, that he still chases me around, screaming
>>that I'm running from him. BAWAHAHAHA!!!

Poser Dave (he's no more a pastor than I am) has never kicked
anybody's ass in a debate, let alone Budikka's. He'd be hard pressed
to out-argue a bright third grader, for the simple reason that the
facts are not on his side. Dave's standard "debating" style consists
of constructing a ridiculous strawman version of whatever he's
claiming to be disproving (usually evolution), trumpeting loudly about
how stupid one would have to be to believe such a thing (while touting
his own "intellectual superiority" for exposing its obvious flaws) and
then taunting and ridiculing his opponents when they pick apart his
bogus "arguments."

Dave is for all intents and purposes nothing more than a troll. He's
arrogant, condescending, ignorant and dishonest and deserves no
respect. Like most creationists, he doesn't know **** from shoe polish
regarding anything scientific, but (again like most creationists) he
thinks he knows more than all the scientists in the world put
together. Neither he nor his claims can be taken seriously.


>
>
>Hi Dave,
>
>Do you recall the subject header, or was this too long ago?

>
>Thanks,
>
>Ric

 

[rbwinn]

On Apr 3, 1:34 pm, "Mike" <mat...@hofstra.edu> wrote:
> On Apr 3, 4:28 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of
> > atheists?
>
> Oh ho. Sins of atheists you say? So you are a religious crank as
> well as an antirelativity crank. Why am I unsurprised to learn this?
>
> > Robert B. Winn

Well, here is another atheist who wants to talk about relativity.
Just a simple little problem for you, Mike. There is an observer
beside a railroad track. There is a train traveling on the railroad
track toward the observer. There is an observer on the train at the
middle of the train. When the observer on the train reaches the
position of the observer on the ground, lightning strikes both ends of
the train simultaneously, leaving marks on the front and rear of the
train and marks on the railroad track. How far apart are the marks on
the railroad track?
Einstein thought of this problem. It should be a simple task for
someone as knowledgable as you to answer this question.
Robert B. Winn

 

[rbwinn]

On Apr 3, 1:52 pm, "Lucifer" <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 3, 9:28 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the actual
> > > existence of millions of atheists.
>
> > > If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the
> > > atheists and send them to his Hell.
>
> > > If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate
> > > his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of its
> > > existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the
> > > atheists to spend eternity in his Hell.
>
> > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of
> > atheists?
>
> Prove it, ****wit.

OK. Profanity is the attempt of a weak mind to make a strong
statement.
Robert B. Winn

 

[rbwinn]

On Apr 3, 2:31 pm, "Ronald 'More-More' Moshki" <sector_f...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 3, 4:28 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the actual
> > > existence of millions of atheists.
>
> > > If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the
> > > atheists and send them to his Hell.
>
> > > If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate
> > > his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of its
> > > existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the
> > > atheists to spend eternity in his Hell.
>
> > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of
> > atheists?
> > Robert B. Winn
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of> atheists?
> > Robert B. Winn
>
> ----------------------
> Christan Knut: "We have a living God."
>
> Objctive person: "You just said 'He died for our sins'.
> You can't have it both ways."
>
> Former Christian: "You got a good point there."

Not too good. Jesus Christ has eternal life.
Robert B. Winn

 

[rbwinn]

On Apr 3, 2:55 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
wrote:
> On 3 apr, 22:28, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the actual
> > > existence of millions of atheists.
>
> > > If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the
> > > atheists and send them to his Hell.
>
> > > If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate
> > > his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of its
> > > existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the
> > > atheists to spend eternity in his Hell.
>
> > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of
> > atheists?
> > Robert B. Winn
>
> He should be arrested for child-murder!

Well, it seems to me that you are free to enforce any laws you want to
enforce. Are you going to make a citizen's arrest?
Robert B. Winn

 

[rbwinn]

On Apr 3, 4:33 pm, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1175632098.792754.327060@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the
> >> actual
> >> existence of millions of atheists.
>
> >> If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the
> >> atheists and send them to his Hell.
>
> >> If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate
> >> his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of
> >> its
> >> existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the
> >> atheists to spend eternity in his Hell.
>
> > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of
> > atheists?
> > Robert B. Winn
>
> What does this Bible story have to do with the question? Why wouldn't a
> loving god
> demonstrate his existence and eliminate atheism?

According to the Bible that will happen when he returns the second
time.
Robert B. Winn

 

[rbwinn]

On Apr 8, 7:28 am, Christopher A.Lee <c...@optonline.net> wrote:
> On 8 Apr 2007 07:01:42 -0700, sncco...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >On Apr 3, 7:19 pm, "flightlessvacuum" <flightlessvacuums...@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >> On Apr 4, 8:28 am, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> >> > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of
> >> > atheists?
>
> >> It's a sin to think?
>
> >In no way shape or form is it a sin to think. God wants us to look at
> >everything he has created and examine it. He would have made a
>
> Prove it, moron.
>
> [rest of this question-begging stupidity deleted]
>
> Can't you assholes say anything without preaching?

Profanity is the attempt of a weak mind to make a strong statement.
Why don't you try to say something without using profanity? Just a
suggestion.
Robert B. Winn

 

[rbwinn]

On Apr 6, 4:52 pm, "Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> "Gabriel" <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1175893536.357762.22000@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 6, 11:36 am, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
> >> <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1175834114.259533.237680@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Apr 3, 5:27 pm, Jim07D7 <Jim0...@nospam.net> wrote:
> >> >> "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> said:
>
> >> >> There is an "argument from disbelief" as follows, that dispenses with
> >> >> certain gods, including notably the God of many believers. This is not
> >> >> to be confused with much weaker arguments from disbelief.
>
> >> > This argument from disbelief is flawed and disproves nothing. Let me
> >> > show you:
>
> >> Here's a thought - Prove your god exists. And please back it up with
> >> objective, verifiable evidence. Look up those words in a dictionary if
> >> you
> >> don't know what they mean.
>
> > I guess you didn't like that I completely discredited your "theory".
>
> > Here's a thought: prove anything you know was true 1,000 years ago
> > exists. And please back it up with objective, verifiable evidence. Oh,
> > that's right -- you're in the same boat.
>
> No.. there is objective verifiable proof of other things .. and even of
> things from around the time of Jesus.
>
> But no proof of God. No proof of the miraculous events in the Gospels.
>
> It really comes down to a matter of blind faith.
>
> > As it stands now there's more than enough evidence around you.
>
> Really .. where?

The people who have blind faith are the ones who believe in the
distance contraction.
Robert B. Winn

 

[rbwinn]

On Apr 4, 3:28 pm, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com>
wrote:
> > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of
> > atheists?
> > Robert B. Winn
>
> would that be the same "loving, caring" christian god that sat on his FAT,
> LAZY ASS and laughed his sick, sadistic ass off while the events of
> 9/11/2001 was happening?
>
> The christian god is a sick ****.


Profanity is the attempt of a weak mind to make a strong statement.
Robert B. Winn

 

[rbwinn]

On Apr 3, 8:08 pm, "Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> "Eric Brze" <b...@no.spam.mail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:dn461398fgidqldqgut6hn2ja14spr1rcp@4ax.com...
>
> > On 3 Apr 2007 13:28:18 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of
> >>atheists?
>
> > God did not send Jesus to die. God sent Jesus to overcome death which
> > he did. There is a fundamental difference here.
>
> So are you claiming Jesus did NOT die?
>
> Are you claiming it was not God's will that Jesus died .. Jesus seemed to
> think it was?
>
> If Jesus is God, why would he need to overcome death .. he is immortal ?

Because he knew there was no distance contraction.
Robert B. Winn

 

[rbwinn]

On Apr 3, 4:57 pm, "Martin Phipps" <martinphip...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 4, 4:28 am, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the actual
> > > existence of millions of atheists.
>
> > > If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the
> > > atheists and send them to his Hell.
>
> > > If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate
> > > his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of its
> > > existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the
> > > atheists to spend eternity in his Hell.
>
> > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of
> > atheists?
>
> Were the Jews atheists?
>
> Martin


Some Jews were atheists, just as some Jews are atheists today.
Robert B. Winn

 

[rbwinn]

On Apr 8, 11:46 am, "Mike Painter" <mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Budikka666 wrote:
> > Pastor Dave ran from my challenge - again! He's all mouth when he
> > doesn't have to support what he says, but when you put him in the hot
> > seat, all he does is yell "Ouch!".
>
> > I provided the evidence he asked for - the evidence on which he
> > claimed he could discuss the science, and he ran from the evidence I
> > supplied and the discussion I offered.
>
> > I asked him to provide the same level of evidence for his religious
> > beliefs that he demands of the evolutionists (who have provided quite
> > ltierally mountains of evidence for the Theory of Evolution), and he
> > even ran from that.
>
> > Thanks for proving evolution, Pastor Dave. Thanks for evolving from a
> > jackass to a chicken right before our eyes. No surprises there.
>
> > Budikka
>
> Next week you have to step up a notch and debate evolution with a rock.
> The easy days are over.


What about the theory of relativity? No one wants to talk about
relativity any more.
Robert B. Winn

 

[Hollis Brown]

On Apr 12, 8:11 am, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Apr 3, 2:55 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 3 apr, 22:28, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 3, 11:59 am, "Bill M" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > The simplest and most obvious evidence that there are no gods is the actual
> > > > existence of millions of atheists.
>
> > > > If a god existed that was mean and intolerant it would simply kill the
> > > > atheists and send them to his Hell.
>
> > > > If a loving and caring god existed it would it would directly communicate
> > > > his existence, wishes and commands to the atheists to convince them of its
> > > > existence. No loving and caring god would keep himself hidden causing the
> > > > atheists to spend eternity in his Hell.
>
> > > What about a God who sent his only Begotten Son to die for the sins of
> > > atheists?
> > > Robert B. Winn
>
> > He should be arrested for child-murder!
>
> Well, it seems to me that you are free to enforce any laws you want to
> enforce. Are you going to make a citizen's arrest?
> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Sadly, the perp fled to Mexico. There have been many reports of
sightings in clouds, oil slicks, and cheese sadwiches, but nothing
confirmed.

HB
AA#2

 

[Scott Richter]

rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:

> Profanity is the attempt of a weak mind to make a strong statement.
> Why don't you try to say something without using profanity? Just a
> suggestion.

Here's a suggestion: why don't you go **** yourself?

 

[Scott Richter]

rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:

> > What does this Bible story have to do with the question? Why wouldn't a
> > loving god demonstrate his existence and eliminate atheism?
>
> According to the Bible that will happen when he returns the second
> time.

In other words, atheism will never be eliminated.

Unfortunately, from what we know of history, the far more dangerous
converse of atheism--superstitious belief systems--will never be
eliminated either.

 

[Scott Richter]

rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:

> What about the theory of relativity? No one wants to talk about
> relativity any more.

Correction: no one wants to talk about relativity WITH YOU any more...