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Clearly your avoiding my every point so I will keep this short: Your breaking the law to get stoned is not taking a stand, taking your cause to Washington, creating petitions, writing letters to your congressmen, these are taking stands and part of social discorse. Sitting around the bong eating cheetos and giggling while your kids are playing with the pedaphile down the street is not social discorse. All you want to do is get stoned, the weed is your focus, not some high and mighty concept of right and wrong. Trying to compare wanting to get stoned with equal rights and women sufferage is completely rediclious. Your need to get stoned out of your mind is not a basic human right. Again, how do you differ from any other criminal? You want something. You cannot get that without breking the law so you come up with outlandish excuses of how the law is a bad law so you can justify inside your own mind your not a bad person for breaking the law. Every criminal does exactly the same thing. You have ducked and dodged my every question, you ignore them because you know your wrong, but I ask you fot the fifth time, what does your actions to behave above the law teach your child? If you demonstrate to a child that laws are okay to break if you don't like the law, what laws will the child break for the same reason? This comes back to being a responsible person, your actions have effects, smoking pot hurts millions of people, it ruins lives, and it even can lead to mental disorders: http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/325/7374/1183?ijkey=19906e017695ae93fde39944ead7ad8a069062e6&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha So it is not harmless, it is very harmful, in many ways. But I am done with this garbage you have started. This all came from your claim that all cops are bad, liers, out to put everyone in prison, just horrible people, and I simply am tired of your constand bashing of people who pput their lives on the line to help keep you and your loved ones safe. I know your need to justify your feeling your above the law, I cannot help that, alll criminals act exactly like you, I just wish you would stop bashing cops. Back to the dead little girl whos parents most likely killed, and disposed her body, I wonder if you will bash them like you do cops, wait, no you are defending these criminals too, I guess you believe murder is a bad law too, that is is simply social discorse to murder children as well.

Pure nutjob.

I would really like to know wht has happened to the backbone of man (figurative, women too). We have a problem that is difficult and it seems like a lot of people just want to quit. We saw in Iraq that all sorts of people said it was impossible to slow the violence and we should run away with our tails between our legs, thank God Bush did not listen to the cowards and we are now seeing a great turn in Iraq. There is a thing clled responsibility, somehow modern times have erased the notion from the minds and hearts of much of the population and has replaced it with cowardice and greed, oh, and a lot of selfishness. The "war on drugs" is not an actual war, it is a concept that drugs are harmful to society as a whole and should not be allowed to take it over. All mind altering drugs (including booze) is extremely harmful to society. It creates a segment of society that is dependant on chemicals to feel good. Without these chemicals, those that do not use them are miserable, depressed, and much, much worse. The children of these drug users suffer the real damage and pay the real price of their parents irresponsibility, they grow up in homes without supervision and end up running the streets with nothing to do but get into trouble. Certainly, there is a very tiny segment of society that could possibly have the mental prowess to resist completely being addicted, But, we do not have a magic wand to show us who can, or cannot handle these substances. There is no "harmless" drug, and there is no victimless crime. Anyone who tries to say this is just fooling themselves. I see no reason to provide another legal means of messing up one's mind. If someone wants to do such a thing, fine, do it, but do not ask society to support your desire to get stoned. If you want to truly end the drug trade, put the military at all borders and search "everything" that comes into the Country, sure lots of people would scream, but it would end the problem in a few months after the stored supplies were used up. This method would also cure the illegals problem at the borders, big bonus.

It is not the same, your breaking the law, and this is my point. Taken on the whole, I believe pot use is similar to drinking, I honestly do, but we are in a society and in that society we must have rules and guidelines to make our society flourish. Your attirude that your above the law is what I am bringing into question, not the way you break the law. You see, your an addict, and as an addict, all you can see is your need for the drug that makes you feel good, and so you jumped to conclusions that I am against pot, but I am truly against the mindset that makes up justifications to hold themselves above the law. Oh no, not the coffee, sugar, etc......garbage again, wow, how original. Just to let you know, I am not "hooked" on any substance, I have never put myself or my loved ones in danger of any sort to chase a substance used for altering my state of mind. If you ever went to prison for drug related charges, does that harm your loved ones? Do they pay a price for your chasing drugs? The last time I even took an asprin was three years ago. But again, you incorrectly are arguing how your chosen mind altering drug is "similar" to other methods and as such, not so bad, but your ignoring the fact that we are talking about people who use excuses like this to break the law, how they feel their illegal activity "should" not be illegal so they take it on themselves to ignore the law and commit illegal actions. I can make a very sound arguement for allowing things like robbery and even murder and how it is not "bad" under a certain point of view, but points of view do not matter, reality matters. The reality is, you view yourself as above the law and you teach that mindset to others. I ask you again, if you had children and your children saw that you feel it is right to ignore laws you do not agree with, what lesson wil your child learn from this? What laws will your child ignore just because they don't like them? And being as you know what was going down, you also know the reason, the prevalant drug trade associated by people like you in poor areas like this. You feel pot is harmless, fine, but what about crack and such, do you feel that is harmless? Do you feel all cops should just ignore the fact that most of the time, someone fitting your profile is there in the bad area to buy drugs? The cops are from the streets too, they know the reality of what happens in these places, and their job is to try and stop it. And yes, you did get more attention by running your mouth, you already described how everything changed after you busted your gums, don't try to make it sould different now. So your claiming to be a perfect, flawless driver who never breaks the traffic lines without your signal flashing right? Sure, like anyone would believe that, clearly it is possible you did not properly change lanes and that you may not even have noticed you doing it. Driving is 90% instinct and most people have very bad driving habits they don't even know they are doing. That said, like the discussion we had about the taser use before, the place to argue about things like this is not the side of the road. There is no judge and no way to "fight" the ticket or anything else by getting upset there and then. All you can do is make your situation worse. As even you agreed, a cop needs a very good reason to arrest someone to make the paperwork worth it so you had to give him a reason to take it to the next step. It is not so much what you say but the way you talk, you use bad names to describe police and even claim all police lie on everyone, your so twisted against police you cannot see that most police are decent humans just doing a job that few are willing to do. Those same law makers say murder is wrong, are they wrong about that as well? Or are you doing what all criminals do and that is justify your own crime to yourself? Again, all criminals feel their crime is not so bad, how is your stand to defend illegal drug use any different than a robber saying the system is holding him back and he must steal to feed his children? How about the crack seller who says whitie won't give him a good job so all he can do is sell crack, it is not his fault, it is the white mans fault. How about the insuranc fraud criminals, they all claim it is a victimless crime and nobody gets hurt, they say insurance companies are all crooks and deserve to get scammed. No, your exactly like every other criminal, you cannot see anything wrong with your crime, but point fingers at others crimes and call them bad. And there is a process you can follow to get the laws changed, but just "claiming" a law is immoral or bad is not a free pass in society to ignore the law. What if I claimed that all stop signs were illegal and immoral and I decided that based on my own beliefs, I would never stop at one again. Would that be right? Do I have the right as a member of society to ignore the traffic laws if I "believe" the traffic laws are wrong? Where do we draw the line on where we can insert personal desires and views to ignore established laws and when we cannot? Is there a line? Do you ever see where breaking societies laws is wrong no matter how you feel about the law?

So why is it only murder if the man kills a baby? Seriously, I can 100% support charges be made against the man in this case for assault and battery, maybe a few other charges, a person should never sneek any substance into a drink without informing the person drinking it. The collection of cells in the mother's womb is either life or not. If it is murder to kill that collection of cells when a man does it, then it sould be murder to kill the same collection of cells when the woman does it. This has been the entire point for this thread, why is it only murder in the eyes of the law if the man kills the child? No, the horror is the 1.2 million "legal" killings of children by women, many late term children that could survive outside the womb. There is a good question for you, it seems the pro-choice crowd only want to talk about things like rape and first term abortions but there are hundreds of thousands of second and third terms aborted every year as well, do you believe a third term child is not life as well? Anyone worth a damn would agree this is wrong, as I said above, he should be given very strict penalties for slipping a drug into the drink, the point in question is why the clump of cells is only life if the man kills it. Of course, just not murder or attempted murder if we are going to be fair. But you also agree that the man does not have any "right" in that decision, you clearly say that if the man wants the child, and the woman does not, she should be allowed to kill the child. As already pointed out, it is the baby's body, not yours. I don't wish that kind of thing on anyone. He should not be raked accross the coals as some kind of poster child for the inequalities of the legal system in favor of women. Fair is fair, it is either life to be protected by the law, from both women and men, or it is not. How can a legal system be balanced if the child is only a child if a man kills it? By the way, I would truly like you to respond to my point you dodged about how the woman does have a choice, the choice to have risky sex. Why is it you women want to hold a man responsible without a way to dodge that responsibility if he makes a child out of a mistake, but you feel it is completely reasonable for the woman to have a way to dodge her responsibility for the same action? Wez, I only pressured you on your killing of your child because of the high and mighty attitude you display here attacking everyone else for stuff when you have done something ten times worse. I was making a point, and made it well because the second you were pressured by that fact, you defined yourself. Instead of claiminf full responsibility and admitting you were wrong for killing a life, you started lies and counter attacks to avoid that responsibility. Then you started trying to downgrade the situation, calling that life less than life to reduce the impact of what you did. If you simply admitted you were wrong and stopped your hatred filled attacks on others, I would agree that you deserve forgiveness but forgiveness cannot be offered to someone who refuses to completely admit their wrong. You say you believe in the teachings of Jesus, well, in this situation what would Jesus do, would he duck and dodge his responsibility like you have been doing or would he completely admit his crime and face it like a man?

Okay, now that was funny.

Where in the hell did you ever get that idea? Sometimes I wonder at the way your mind just vomits up garbage for you to post here. I did have a hearing (almost all officer involved deaths have these) and during that hearing, some people attempted to make me sound like the bad guy, but I was never in "trouble" and I finished out ten years before going in a new direction with my life. Your only saying that to avoid admitting your more messed up than everyone you attack. You kill an innocent life for selfish reasons but your too cowardly to own up to your actions, so typical of you liberals. But guess what, you cannot hide behind semantics on judgement day my friend.

Most, but not all "partial birth abortions" were banned by that supreme court decision, they are still performed in certain cases, and again, all that decision is based on is "one" form of abortion. Partial birth abortion was very popular because late term abortions can cause damage to the uterus, late term abortions using other methods are still very legal in America. Please try to educate yourself if your going to try and call me out on my facts. I was attcked and defended myself, are you now trying to clim the baby you killed attacked you first? Stop trying to look for a way out of the mess you admitted to Wez, your a murderer, maybe not by American law standards, but in reality, you killed an innocent life for selfish reasons. There is no comparison you can ever make with anyone else to equal something so horrible. This was your child, you killed something that was made from a part of you. If you are capable of killing your own child, your capable of any horrible act under the sun.

The point he is making is just because it is legal, that does not change the moral stand of the act. If your only reason to support abortion (and those who commit it) is because of what some old guys say in the supreme court, then your missing a lot. We started this conversation about a guy who slipped a drug into a drink to make a woman have an abortion. We all agree that what he did was wrong, but we are discussing why it is murder only if a man does it, but not murder if the worman kills a child. The unborn baby is a life under the law, only if a man kills it, or attempts to kill it, but if the woman wants to kill it, suddenly the law says the life is not a life and can be killed without penalty. Don't you see how illogical that is? The law should be blind to gender and only consider if an unborn baby is alive and worth protection under the law, or not alive and not entitled to protection under the law.

Your a Wez, and a Wez is a liberal, many other things to be sure, but definately a liberal. You know, if you would just pay attention you would not have to ask so many questions. Damn, you remind me of an ex I had, we would watch a movie and she would ask me three or four questions every time about what is going on. I will try again, please read the topic title, this is about the way some muslims move from the societies and want the new society to change to accept their beliefs. Part of the discussion has gone to some of the beliefs we do not want to become accepted in our society.

There is a difference between being PC and being openly racist. Hell, it is not a new thing for one criminal to believe his crime is harmless and other crimes are more important for cops to chase, your just like every other criminal in the world, you see other crime as bad, but your crime as good, or at least not "bad". All illegel drugs have victims. It ranges from the illegal drug trade and the associated killings and such that go with it down to the parent who neglects their child because their stoned out of their mind when they should be taking care of their kid. I do not base my moral beliefs on what this board or any other group believes. Right is right, wrong is wrong no matter how many people want to make a wrong "sound" right. This goes to the same attitude we are talking about in the abortion thread. Just because lots of people try to make it sound good, that does not change the reality of it being bad. You believe illegal drugs should not be illegal and you should be allowed to do whatever you want without cops or anyone else bothering you, that is selfishness and short sighted. What do you accomplish by placing yourself above the law? What do you teach others by placing yourself above the law? Heaven forbid, what can children learn from your believing a person can just decide what laws they feel are inconvient and simply ignore them? What laws may that child decide they don't agree with and decide to ignore? Maybe, but what I said was true. You want to live the life of being a druggie, fine, be a man and stop crying about the results of your choice. But you did, you already admitted to mouthing off and how the cop increased his investigation becauase of your mouth. Cause and effect. You don't know a cops job and what it is like day in and day out performing that job by having a ride along my friend. You cannot understand it unless you live it. But, you gave an example of how cops even in your opinion do not want to arrest people, so that proves my point that you must give the average cop a very good reason for you to get his attention, it must be worth the paperwork. No, this all got started when you attacked all cops and put them down. Your a criminal, I expect you to disrespect cops because their job is to make your activities difficult, no biggie, but just remember if your gonna spout that kind of attacks on the forum, I will respond to your attacks. Wrong again, my point is your either a criminal or your not. You either have something to hide or you don't. We would not need cops if everyone just did the right thing all the time but people like you justify their crimes, they make excuses for why their crime is not bad, that "other" criminals are the bad ones, not you. Where do we draw the line? "Do the right thing." My father has given me this short example of how to live my life from a very young age, and to be honest, I never truly understood the real power behind such a short sentence until I got much older. You see, most of the time, the "right thing" tends to get in the way of our desires, our wants, our hopes, and to do the "right thing", we must delay, or even put aside our wants. This is a difficult thing in the modern world, we live in a time where personal desires are the primary goal for most people and we are putting aside old standards and morals in order to feed our desires. But, no amount of selfish moral twisting can change what is "right".

Morals without religion are like a buffet table, each person on an individual basis passing buy taking the bits they like and leaving what they don't like, or is inconvenient, on the table. There are no universal "Right" and "Wrong" morals with those that do not know God. It is the removal of God from our lives that makes it possible to have flexable morals. The flexable morals allow some people to justify things like abortion but still see themselves as "good" from their point of view. Not much different than sucking a smaller version into a vaccume hose. Killing is killing to them, they tell themselves that it is not life, they tell themselves that it is like cutting away a cancer so they can stand to look at themselves in the mirror, but at the end of the day, it is still murder, and I have no idea how they can do such a thing.

Here is one area we can both agree on. Society has trended the move away from religious based morals so they can do as they desire without feeling like they have done wrong. Under religious based morals, they could not behave this way, only without religion can the masses make the unthinkable become reasonable. The the creation of life is a step by step process that begins with conception. If you stop the process at any point, you have stopped life, trying to say killing a fetus is not killing a life is like saying your not gay if your not the one bent over. I keep mentioning the late term abortions as well because everyone seems to be avoiding that fact as well. Currently in America, it is legal to abort a child up to the day of birth. We are not talking just a clump of cells, we are killing life at all stages and it is just sick.

To quote you, stop trying to make me you. I have never killed an innocent child, you have, your a murderer. You attack others all the time but in reality, your the one with the beam in your eye. Again, you need to look at your own life before you go attacking others, your a killer of innocent life, time to stop being two faced.

Well now some of the real you comes out, you spend a lot of time bashing cops but it seems your a racist. By the way, you are a crook, so they are doing exactly what you say they should be doing. It is your choice to live a life against the grain. If your gonna play the game, then suffer the consequences without all the crybaby complaining. P.S. Just to let you know, by losing your cool and running your mouth, you are being their plaything. Your making it easy on them. The example you gave showed you getting more and more pissed and the cop getting his satisfaction. If you had quietly answered his questions and never gave hi, an excuse to go further, you would have been on your way and no harm done, but you could not do that could you? You had to bust your gums. And you got exactly what you were on your knees begging for. I will let you in on a little secrete. Cops don't want to arrest anyone. You have no idea the reports and crap they go through for every arrest, then there is a possible trial where they will be called to testify and the bleeding hert defense attourney that will try to get him off by trying to make the cop sound like a racist, woman hater, man hater, dog hater, whatever kind of twist they can to get the guy off. No, you gotta give the average cop a very good reason for him to subject himself to that kind of mess just to arrest you.

I am sorry Wez, but you have completely removed any credibility you may have had with this crap your tossing right now. You constantly bash everyone with your Jesus stuff but the relity is, your a murderer, you killed an innocent life just because that life would have been an inconvience to your life. That is as selfish as one human being can be. What is done is not done my friend, you must still face judgement for the innocent life you took, time to stop bashing soldiers, presidents, and everyone else because you just proved your just as bad, or worse than everyone you attack.

First of all Anna, I notice you completely dodged my comment about how the woman did make a choice by engaging in the unsafe sex. You keep talking about how the woman should have a choice but when I point out she did have a choice, you just dodge that point, clearly this is admitting you see but refuse to admit that point. What I said is self supportive. You seem to be repeating the same kind of avoidance over and over. If someone says something you don't want to admit is true, you make some weak claim that it needs some kind of proof so you can discount it. The facts are there, simply put them together. The women is engaging in dangerious, unprotected sex and gets pregnant. All the statistics show that the women getting pregnant already have at least one child and know how babies are made. All the statistics show women who get abortions do so getting the abortion is about escaping their responsibility. The statistics prove that most women who get abortions either never use protection, or use it in an irregular way in the month they got pregnant so it is not a case of an accident or protection failure. So my definition is accurate: An abortion is nothing more than a way for the woman to escape taking responsibility for the "choice" she already made but regretted later. Your trying to twist things again, that is just silly. It is the man's child only if the woman does not kill it, if the woman wants to kill it, then your possition is that the man is irrelivant. Why is it the man's responsibility only if the woman allows it to live? You just said it again, if the man's desire is not given any power, then he has no say in the life being either killed or allowed to live. It seems like you want your cake and eat it too. You want men to be held completely responsible for a life he has no ability to make decisions about. If the man cannot save the life of a child he wants when the mother wants to kill that life, then don't hold him responsible the other way around, that is just being fair. It used to be legal to own slaves as well, something being legal does not make it right. No, it is self serving females that are making the double standard. Men can be responsible for supporting a child for 18 years through giving up 1/3 to 1/2 of their monthly income but they cannot protect the life of their child if the woman wants to kill that life, yep, double standard. Nobody ever said life or the truth was fair. The women are cold blooded killers, I am sorry if the facts are making you feel bad, but I don't make the facts, I am just talking about the facts. The Alan Guttmacher Institute like eddo, if your going to have a discussion about abortion, maybe you should check out the single most respected authority on abortion related studies so you can debate based on the facts, not just your gut reactions. Attacking spelling must be the single most juvinile personal attack on the internet. Yes, I am a bad speller, too many years of word with spell checker and others doing my typing for me, that does not remove the fact you can still easily understand what I am saying and the points I make, please refrain from these petty attacks. No we don't. Only the woman has the ability to make that decision. Sure you get the rare situation like this idiot giving his girl the day after drug but like rape, these examples do not even scratch the surface of the real numbers of irresponsible abortions women have each year. In this society, only women can kill a child and it not be considered a crime. Okay, now your just playing stupid. I have 3 children. I was deeply involved in every pregnancy, I even talked to my children while in the womb every night. Any man can attest that pregnant woman is not the most stable person in the world, even the doctors all talk about how things like the hormone imbalance causes some interesting effects. Here is a great artical where is says 1 in 5 pregnant women are depressed: Many Pregnant Women Are Depressed Here is a good study showing how abortion "causes" depression as well: Abortion Causes Massive Mental Health Problems | Human Events | Find Articles at BNET.com Even if you see nothing wrong with killing children, maybe you can have a little concern with how damaging an abortion is to the woman. And you are simply burrying your head in the sand, refusing to even admit that there is a serious problem with abortion being used as a birth control method by irresponsible women. You refuse to admit that it is lives that are being ended, killed because women refuse to take responsibility for the "choice" to have risky sex. It seems like you want men to take responsibility, you want them to pay support if the baby is born right? If the man has no choice about taking responsibility for having risky sex, why is it you believe women should have the right to dodge taking that same responsibility? Again, attacking spelling is just juvinile, please stop this kind of silly behavoir. Clearly this is my opinion and I offered it as such. The reality we see does support my opinion, if women of our society did value life, they would not be killing children over a million times every year. In this context, the father has no say in a life being killed or not. Only the mother can decide if she will kill her children or not. Now that was about as rude as it gets. Why should someone be attacked by you for voicing their opinion? I love the way, time and time again it is the liberals that prove themselves to be the intolerant ones. This is a great point. Let's not forget that about 400,000 of those abortions are late term, able to survive outside the womb if given the chance.

Most decent jobs offer some kind of health care benefits. If your only desire is to work at Burger King, then no, you won't get any benefits. Remember, even the poor get free health care from the government. The hardest working people in america would tend to be the illegals, so yes, not cool.

Well, at first I though you were missing the point, but now I see your purposly avoiding the point because you have no real answer for it to keep in line with your agenda. No, you contradicted yourself: "Ihe fact that Islamic women have less bureaucratic support than Western women does not make the trauma of the actual rape any worse." "Oh, I know. I agree that the aftermath for Islamic women is worse. I also consider them to be more oppressed, but that's just my Westernised view of it." In the first statement, you claim the less support does not make the trama worse, in the second, you seem to be agreeing with me and admit that the horrible treatment "after" the rape makes the rape worse. Being as the after effect of the rape is part of the rape (unless the victim is killed in the process) then we must consider the entire event, from attack to living life after the event, clearly the muslim woman getting raped is ten times worse than the American being raped. That is not to defend any rapist, I believe all rapists should have "severe" penalties, in cases where it is not a "he said/she said" event, I believe the men should never get the chance to rape again, but that is just me. Common knowledge darling, if you cannot even admit to basic principles like this, there is no real point talking to you. So you cannot understand how the women being treated like garbage by the government "after" the rape, when she is already vulnerable and scared, could be worse than the American system? You know darn well I was talking of how the government views the rapes and their requirement to have 4 men back up her claim or she is considered to be telling lies. They are faulted by their silence, their refusal to respond because their other agenda of being politically correct is more important to them so they refuse to speak out. Groups like the ACLU are 100% liberal. Their choices of what to attack, and what not to attack helps to control things like school systems. Teachers, teachers unions, public employees, etc.... are all proven to be mostly liberal people. Liberals run these things, so their agenda of political correctness flourishes in these places. It is not just what you say, it is how you say it. Your snide comments and personal attacks are the biggest problem. You cannot have a logical discussion if your words are driven by emotional motives. I never dodge anything, if you did not understand my reply, please explain what parts were difficult for you and I will gladly expand my reply for you to assist in your understanding. No, I never make assumptions, I do make decisions based on what I see though and at this point, all of the posts you have made show a decided liberal slant and the willingness to ignore facts, even twist facts to persue your agenda of being political correct. In this specific case, you downplayed the severe nature of the muslim attitude tword women by making theor problem sound no worse then what is happening in places like America. That downplaying is only intended to preserve an inaccurate picture of real events in muslim culture so your actions show you are in fact defending their actions. But inaccurately comparing them is. It is you who attempted to downplay the severity of the muslim rape issue, not me. Now your playing a Wez card, when you liberals say stuff like that, all I picture is a little girl, hands over her ears, closed eyes, screaming "I know you are but what am I?" But I do agree, your not like me, I don't allow myself to post through emotions.

And if your in trouble, get robbed, a prowler hanging around, all soert of times people call for the cops to "help" them but still they get this kind of attitude from you. If you trust them with your life, and the lives of your loved ones, maybe a little respect would be in order? There are bad people in the world, would you rather it was your wife wrestling with the bad guys trying to take over your neighborhood or do you want the cops to do it? Cops are not the abusive people your trying to make them sound like. On the whole, a confrontation like your describing happens very rarely but at the same time, Cops interact with sometimes hundreds of thousands of people every day. Clearly there is a very low percentage of bad events, if you find yourself being involved in bad events with cops, it is most likely your fault, you did something to make the cops notice you over thousands of other people. Your personal codes have nothing to do with reality. Clearly you do not show them respect with the way you blast them here. You may "pretend" to be respectful to a certain degree, but cops can see right through that crap. Don't play stupid, you know damn well that people drive into neighborhoods like that most of the time to buy drugs. Being as your an admitted drug addict, don't try to play mister innocent. Cops know that most of the time, someone fitting your profile, is there looking to score drugs, and acted accordingly, that is what their paid to do. If you want to avoid these kinds of encounters, stop chasing drugs. Cause and effect. So you ran your mouth when you knew why you were stopped and got some extra attention for that attitude, sounds fairly common to me, remember, you could have avoided the whole thing if you were not there trying to score some drugs. As usual, you druggies start the ball rolling, but blame the cops for getting in the way of your desire to get the drugs you were craving. Again, cause and effect, you where the one who could have prevented the entire thing, but you decided risking attention from poilice was worth it to try and score drugs. There is another reason, the guys your talking to are fellow criminals. Criminals love to hate cops because they see the cops job as to stop them from doing what they want to do. It is the cops job to make your criminal behavoirs difficult, not make it easier. Obviously you walking around with a chip on your shoulder because you life a life of a criminal drug user, but you can still give Cpos a little respect because they could die protecting someone you love and care about one day, this life is on the line every day. How many people could work a job where they could be killed by a drug dealer or even a housewife just because your trying to keep her husband from killing her? I can't tell you how many domestic disturbance calls I have been on where a man is beating his wife to a pulp so we enter and stop the man, and then the wife attacks us. Many grab a weapon like a foot long kitchen knife before they attack. So continue hating cops, I know nothing I say will ever change your mind as long as your persuing your criminal behavoirs, but I just wanted to publically comment on your constant attacks on police when I know that most cops are great people, doing a job most cannot even understand.

Not really, but she must "look" like she is the most conservative because she would never get elected if she showed her true colors. You need to look back at her entire history to understand her. One of her ideas is to force Universities to lower the price of education, force the price of homes to be lowered, etc.... Now how does that happen? Giving every kid born in America 5,000 dollars, unified health care, clearly she is just as radical, if not worse than the rest, liberals are run by the wackos, the real shame is, I believe that the majority of liberals are very centered, but their too scared of the party leaders to voice their true opinions.

Obviously you are missing the point. Taking just the rape event, yse, the rape is similar to both the American woman and the muslim woman. It is "after" the rape where the two events completely divide. An American woman can go to the police and the man she accuses will be "assumed" guilty until proven innocent. Any jury will believe a crying woman over any man so as long as there is a small amount of evidence to support the woman, the man is convicted. A Muslim woman can only have justice if 4 men join her against the man or men that did the crime. In a male dominated society like that, you will not find that happening very often, so the woman gets raped by the man, then raped again by the system that refuses to see her as a person. It is that area that makes her rape ten times worse than the American counterpart. Muslim men are not "getting away with it", they are doing it in the open, and not allowing the woman to be seen as human. As with all education, repetition is the best way to teach and learn. Of course you would need an open mind for that to work. Okay, you explain the silence of these groups to completely ignore the plight of muslim women? They speak up on almost everything else but never really go after the harm done to muslim women. There is no logical reason for this so one plus one equals two. It is common knowledge that feminists are liberals and that liberals are the biggest pushers of being politically correct. They are very loud except for this, clearly one agenda is overriding a lesser agenda. Nope, it was liberals, now most feminists are liberals so clearly they could be involved, but not all liberals are feminists, so no, feminists have not been the driving force behind the politically correct trend to give Muslims freedoms like allowing prayer in public school when that right was taken away from christian children. A little smart mouthed arn't you? If your getting pissed off maybe you should not get involved in these kinds of discussions. I never make assumptions, but I also have a saying: "You can make your mouth say anything." You can "say" your not one thing or another, but your actions are what truly defines you. Your defending Muslims and trying to make the rape problem sound similar between Americans and Muslim woman is an action that helps define what you truly are.

The woman did have a choice of what she does with her body when she agreed to have risky sex. She put her life in danger as well because if she gets pregnant, she could also be exposed to many diseases. An abortion is nothing more than a way for the woman to escape taking responsibility for the "choice" she already made but regretted later. As already stated, it took a man to create that life as well but women remove the man's rights to say what happens to something that is 1/2 his. It is his child, why should anyone have the right to kill a child? Another point, why is a man held responsible for supporting a child if he has no say about it being killed? Kinda one sided right? Already covered, the woman already made the choice to have risky sex, her choice happened "before" the life was created. So you want baby killings to be legal because the killers will put their own lives in danger to kill them???? Make it easier for killers to kill? Most women who get abortions already have kids and have never been married. Most abortions happen with women who used either no protection, or did not use it consistantly the moth they conceived. Rape accounts for very few abortions so it is not even a real consideration, but it is used to deflect attention away from the real issue of women killing children for irresponsible reasons. I know several women who had abortions and later had mental issues because of it. When a woman gets pregnant, her chemical balances go all over the place and the time pressures make it impossible for her to make a wise decision. The pressure is incredible and even a married couple will get scared. Sometimes we need to protect people from themselves. A pregnant woman could qualify as being mentally imbalanced, so why allow her to make such drastic decisions when she is impared? We are simply creating a generation of women who believe abortion is nothing, killing a life is without meaning. I saw a bumper sticker the other day, it read: If you can read this, Your mother did not abort you. Maybe you should go give her a hug.

Do you really have to dig so deep to try and make everything about oil? Did you know the two Countries we import the most oil from are Canada and Mexico? Hugo, the feminists are also mostly liberals, their need to be politically correct over rides their need to promote women's rights. That is why the ACLU refuses to take action against the public schools that have created "special" classes for muslim children so they can pray several times a day. The ACLU would have a cow if this kind of thing was done to allow christian prayer, but somehow it is okay if it is muslim prayer.

The point you are missing Anna is there are degrees. While a rape in America and a rape in Iran would be the same or similar at the time it happened, the social barriers a woman must face are completely different. In America, the woman can report the crime and even without much evidence, at least the cops will try to build a case against the attacker and arrest him. In any muslim controlled Country, the woman can only report it if she has 4 men to side with her against the man in question and even with that, she is considered soiled from that moment on. If you thing rape is under reported in America, what do you think is happening with them? No, in reality, a muslim woman being raped is much, much worse in comparison because or how completely alone she is after the fact. But, their society is their society, I don't like what they do to women but when they bring those attitudes into the western world and start doing things like rioting and raping unveiled women, this I see as a huge problem to our societies. We cannot say that just because America has a few rapes that it stopps us from being able to complain about their rapes and the worse attached social penalties for complaining about the rape. Just because the rare skinhead does something violent, that does not mean we cannot point out that violence is the norm, not the exception in muslim societies. Americans and western people in general do not target children and other innocents for violence on purpose, muslims on the other hand believe children are the prefered target for their violent attacks. Yes, Christians and athiests do bad things, but you cannot compare "modern" events, there is just no real comparison. Look at the many riots in France, or the gang rapes in Australia, the terrorist attacks like 9/11 and many lesser terrorist attacks on children all over the world, the writing is on the wall, it is our decision to read it or ignore it.