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You can't handle the facts RO, you run from them just like you run from your spiritual side, it is the same thing. Your clinging to a sad excuse for science because it gives you comfort for your lack of faith. I have asked you time and again what parts of the many basic concepts I have offered and you run away scared to death of specifics. I will ask you a question being as you will not give me a specifit thing to respond to, where do all your traits that make you who you are come from? The environment or your two parents? How many times do I have to say that both creation and evolution suffer from the same lack of facts? The examples you offer are from books made by man, not from God. Man has never done a single thing in a perfect way, what makes any of you think a human could create a perfect religion or book? Six days to God could have been 50 million years to us. God could have moved foward or back in time as well being as his existence is outside of time and space. There are endless possibilities to explain human error in trying to worship a being that is outside of our understanding but I do know one very important thing, none of us, not the scientists or the religious people who made the Bible possible were actually there st the time. Oh, I have read all the information, such as how do you think I knew to show the similiarities between the cats and pigs? I do not have to be brainwashed to have looked at the information you offered RO.

But again your looking at everything from foward back. I don't know how else to say this but you have to look at "the first" human and ask why? You have to ask how that human survived if it was so different from it's other species. You have to ask if this is abnormal, how did it pass on it's traits? How did the new traits get inserted when modern DNA science tells us that new traits that the parents do not hold cannot be possible in their offspring? If a human was an accident, then why more accidents? Was something causing the accidents to happen? An outside source or cause? By looking foward, you see it is a lot harder to explain why a new species is created that is why they always ignore the thousands of questions they cannot answer and instead always insist on looking backward. If your talking about the seperate types they can mate with each other though so that is not a good example. If one is just an offshoot of the other then they will retain the ability to mate. Humans not being able to mate with apes is a big deal that is glossed over by evolutionists because they can't explain why.

The examples you offered are not just an adreneline rush, especially the birthing, you have so many natural hormones and stuff going wild in your body during a birth there is no way to say any one thing did much of anything. Your second one was a good example, were you fighting with extra strength and endurance for hours at a time or was it short term? The average person will metabolize the adreneline in just a few minutes but some will last longer. My point was that the flights would be hours, not minutes, a steady stream of adreneline would more than likely kill the average person, the stress would be too great. As it is many people report negative effects after one. I would think the pilot might get one about the time to drop the bombs but again adreneline does not really improve your clarity, it might even reduce your ability to think clearly. So with all the pushing the limits you talk about in the military....they seem to make it right? They find a way because someone is behind them with a boot in their behinds telling them they have to. Interesting how much more performance you can get out of a person with strict standards and leadership that does not accept no or "I can't" as an answer. If they asked for less hours that would not be what they wanted. You never ask for what you want, you leave the trail or bread crumbs to the solution you want them to reach without you ever saying the words. I have been involved in many such discussions. Again, I agree with you that I do not want a 'truly' sleepy pilot flying and maybe if they can't handle the job they need to be fired. All jobs are not for all people. Maybe that pilot would be a great personal pilot with less time in the air making him sleepy. I can't ride as a passenger in a car without getting sleepy myself so I would not be good in a job where that is a requirement. The real problem is landing and taking off, how about electric shock treatments? That will wake them up

And I have asked you several times for a specific thing you want harder facts on RO and you refuse to answer because your scared of actually getting an answer. Your the one being general while i am giving hard specific answers. emkay, what part of the human from ape example I offered do you believe does not make sense? There has to be a "start" somewhere, the departure from ape happens, humans cannot mate with apes but all sorts of lother creatures who are realated can mate so what is it that stops Humans from mating if we are in fact so very close? When the first human was born from an ape, how did it continue? Do you believe many spontanious accidents of evolution happened all at the same time to never be repeated again? Did aliens come down and impregnate the apes and that is why they are similar but different at the same time? There has to be a reasonable answer to make this possible but it seems to me that evolution cannot fill in that blank.

Never said you didn't, but you did say that the motorboat was juvenille and my point is so what? If your partner likes it does it really hurt you to experience it and do you not gain pleasure from your partner having pleasure? If it is really about both of you why would you think a motorboat is bad? You ever do a wet raspberry on a tummy? It is pretty much the same thing. Then again, maybe I am a tad juvenille, and damn happy to be that way if being an adult means I have to be worried that my partner is going to get huffy and offended over a motorboat, give me a lady who is willing to act like a kid sometimes any day

I don't attack people in personal ways just because I am mad and wanting to strike out at them, this is what many people here do and I never do that. It is purely from frustration, anger, and a need to make themselves feel better when they know they do not possess the ability to debate me in certain topics. I on the other hand have no problem making a factual observation on garbage when I see it. I am not speaking from anger or an agenda to hurt someone's feelings. Well you need to go back to what I posted and read it again because I took the point head on and explained why this does not prove anything factual, it is just another assumption among many assumptions. Did you not see me explain why it is wrong by looking foward? If the 'human' was born from apes, why can't we mate? If it is because of the fused chromosomes then there would have been no way to mate with the first generation and continue the new strain. All it takes is a little logic and putting your mind at the time of the "first" change to see how it had to have happened and find the huge holes in the theory. I have been saying the same thing, science has proven that "Adaptation" is possible, but not the ability to form a new species from an old species, that part is purely unproven theory. RO, you can take it any way you want to take it, I really do not give two squirts of urine about your wrong assumptions. You can come here and call all people of faith stupid, uneducated, or any other thing that is looking down your nost at all people of faith and to you, that is perfectly reasonable and justified but if I say some people who believe in evolution also believe in 9/11 being an inside job, suddenly your vagina gets all twisted in a knot and you scream foul. Well too bad, I am not responsible for your brittle feelings, I never tried to hurt you but I was not trying to "not" hurt you either, I was just making a point that some people will jump on any theory that supports what they "want" to be true RO. And there is the point I was making if your interested. Those people hate the Government or at least Bush and 9/11 being an inside job filled their need to hate and they jumped onboard the theory not so much because they really had facts to prove their theory but because it made them feel good about themselves to be attacking Bush. In many ways I feel the vast majority of people who push the evolution theory are doing this for a similar reason, they reject the idea of God so the evolution theory is their way of embracing their rejection. This was my point, get mad, stay mad, accept I didn't mean anything personal or not, I really do not care, I know the point I was making was not one of a negative nature to attack anyone so if you or someone else turns it into something else, that is on you, not me. Peace.

I guess I can't win for losing, lol. I guess I didn't see a difference between the terms 'sagging skin' as you used in yoru first post and 'flabby flesh'. I certainly was not trying to be negative, in fact, the opposite, I was trying to be supportive. That was me too, lol. I guess to me whatever makes two people happy and excited is important, not any one set schedule of limitations. To me making my partner happy is just as important as making myself happy, even more sometimes and that should go both ways. Tami might or might not like me doing a motorboat, she sure seems to laugh and have fun with the experience but is it possible that she can take enjoyment from the fact I like it? Is having fun together mean everything between two people is always equally enjoyable at all times or do we sometimes do things with each other for the shared experiences and get pleasure because the one we love is enjoying themselves? I love to give Tami foot rubs. The experience of running my hands on her feet is not really that great all by itself, the feel of her back or other areas would be much more pleasurable if I was looking for my own enjoyment, but the pleasure I feel has nothing to do with my own sense of touch/cotact with her feet. I feel pleasure looking at how good it makes her feel. Her reaction to me rubbing her feet is very much satisfying to me. Sometimes mutual pleasure is not just about you.

Well more smoke and mirrors from the looking backward ecolution wackos but they do a great job hiding the truth. The number of chromosomes fused or not "sound" good to the uneducated but to someone like myself who is educated just has to laugh. Pigs and cats each share 19 pairs for 38 chromosomes, do they look alike? Are they the same animal? Do they seem similar in any way? The fused chromosome is what it is, nothing more. It does not prove that humans would have looked any different in any way, it is just another 5% fact, 95% pure wishful thinking by the evolution theory wackos who are so wrapped up in trying to prove God does not exist, they will jump on any theory no matter how stupid it really is. Let's consider something, why can't humans and apes mate? If it is because of the chromosomes then when the first humans with their fused chromosomes were born then no mating then either and humans die out. It would require several humans to be born at the same time with the change so they can mate with each other and survive but that takes the possibility so far against it to have such an accident happen it is again.....impossible. If the fused chromosomes was possible, why not now? Why no new humans born from apes? Why did the old apes remain? Why not all of them evolve to humans? There was a story a few years ago that many people who were spouting 9/11 as an inside job were also evolution believers......now that sounds about right.

This is an old one I found, it was made before the election but is still very funny: [attach=full]1657[/attach]

But I thought Obama promised Americans that if he got elected, nobody making less than $150,000 a year would see a tax increase?

Adreneline rushes? First of all they last seconds, not hours for a long flight, typically bombers are not stored near enemy lines where they are easy targets, so they have to fly a long time to get to their target. There may be a dump at the time of the bombing but that makes your hands shake and your heart race, I doubt it adds much mental clarity. Everyone follows orders, not sure how that is relivant. And yet he didn't stick to the 35 hours and I am assuming there was never an electrical fire that killed everyone in one of his buildings.......right? I really was just saying that this new trend to cry about having to work hard is just silly. I do not want an honestly very tired pilot flying a plane either, just trying to say we should be reasonable too, they can sleep while the plane is on autopilot, catnaps do me a lot of good, lol. Really? How many plane crashes do we have every day? Do you have any idea how many flights happen each and every day? If things were that bad we would have seen some big indication of it by now. As I said I agree "if their really exhausted" but it sounds to me like just another ploy for more money and less work, the new American motto. eddo, let it go, your trying to hard and making no sense, if all your interested in taking an opposition to what I say, at least take the time to frame your possitions in a smart way, at least Merc is making great points.

emkay is right, I feel bad this gangbang thing always starts up any time I dare to defend myself against garbage. emkay, I will let it go, sorry

As do I, I was only trying to discuss that boobies confuse scientists too, lol. I'm sorry Ali and emkay if I drove you away from this thread with my actions please accept my appoligies. RO, I will gladly take this up in the other thread or drop it, let me know there if you want to keep it going. Ali as I already said and want to get it back on topic: I believe you should do what will make you happy. If you will have flabby flesh, it makes perfect sense that you would want to tighten that up a little. I don't know how fast things are progressing for you, will this be soon or still way down the road?

I have asked you what you do not believe three times now and you do not give me an answer. Do you refute that all our traits are set from existing traits from each of our parents? I can offer hard science that proves this but we have spoken on so many things that for me to post all the different things it would be a post you would not read anyway so let's get specific. One thing at a time, read my first post and you will see where I offered several scientific things that refute evolution, all life comes from other life for example, there must be a beginning and when you reach that beginning, what started that? No matter how far back you go you must reach a point where there is no scientific explanation to show where all matter came from. Where the first life came from. The evolution theory looks like an awsome science fiction movie, they make it look real with special effects, but just because it looks good that does not make it real. Your special effects are your desire to justify rejecting your spiritual side, I understand that but you at the same time use bad descriptions for those who have faith. Believe what you want, your entitled, but do not look down your nose at me for not following your path, that is all I ask.

Sounds quaint and false to be honest. If all your interested in is taking shots.....ok, when your ready to post with some thought let me know, your nicer to talk to in those times.

Your the one trying to say our two situations are the same Ali, not me. I have never been in danger for my health for weight reasons, you have, that makes our situations different. eddo you were wrong, take responsibility for being wrong and move on instead of spending so much time trying to justify your attack.

So you don't understand you have to look foward either?

If eddo had never attacked me, I never respond to his attack......right? Or is eddo so completely incapable of doing wrong in your eyes you can't even admit he started it? emkay, I like the way you think, maybe I could use some punnishing after all eddo, as usual you dodge the point. You took the time to preach against spelling errors, not me. When I misspell a word it is from a guy who does not preach to others about spelling so no big deal, you were flamming me about spelling errors and made spelling errors yourself, that is completely different and you know it. But why start taking responsibility for your actions now, you never have before.

But you can't change until there is a need, and if it is a die or adapt issue, you do not have thousands of years to wait for the change. Your still stuck looking backwards, I guess your not capable of understanding the evolution concept (as it would have had to happen) then. If they "need" a bigger breast to feed and live, then they will die waiting the thousands of years to get the bigger breast, that is as simple as I can make this concept, if your not able to grasp that very basic idea there really is no way for me to discuss it with you.

I am not above telling the truth, sometimes there is no nice way to tell the truth. Your only reason to post that was to try and take a shot at me, but you had no idea what you were talking about. That makes you a dumbazz. I call a liar a liar, your calling me a liar out of spite and an attempt to "get even". In fact, every time you attack me I guess that is your only motivation, maybe that is why you always look like your a dumbazz.

I agree, all of this is because of eddo. Without his attacking my faith, none of this conversation would be happening right now. It is getting bigger because eddo refuses to accept responsibility for his wrong action.

There are many ways to instigate eddo, no not all said "go after Wez" but they were instigating. Such as what was your reason to teach me all about Wez's history of problems at the other sites? You don't think planting negative info about people is a kind of instigating? I never said pm's, while I was new there the other members were not and were smart enough to contact me my email. Do you also remember when Feck did check my pm's and had to admit I was not the instigator when someone else said I was bothering them? You common tactic is to refuse to own up to what you do eddo. Even Ali is acting like you can't do any wrong and maybe your starting to believe the hype but what you did here was wrong and all your lies and deflection will not change that fact. Oh so another example of you being an azz and you just wave it off? This is the real eddo, a guy who can spout off line after line of ugly attacks and when he does the same thing himself......no big deal. It was not a real apology so no reason for me to accept it. You say it then you insert another insult, if you really felt bad for jumping to a wrong conclusion and attacking my faith then you would not have surrounded one word of appology with a thousand words of insult. Besides, I believe you said you were a really big boy yourself....maybe you need a cookie? Don't have to read a mind when all the words you say to/about me are speaking your heart for you.

Your such a dumbass, really you need to always try and be ugly no matter even if you have to be completely stupid in the process. Do you know what my body mass is? Did you know dense muscle weighs more than fat? Hell my calves are 19 inches around, I have a huge amount of muscle mass from all the weight training I used to do, yes I am losing some of that mass now that I am not working out the same as I used to but it is still there and I have some fat on top of it. 234? lol, I was 230 without a speck of fat on me eddo, you just have no clue at all in life. If you even had a clue about how these things were calculated you would have asked questions instead of looking so incredibly stupid. So your saying I am carrying over a hundred pounds of pure fat? You cannot compare me who is not dangeriously obese to yourself who is, two completely different worlds and degrees of overweight. Your situation required drastic action to save your life, mine does not. It is like the difference between driving 5 miles over the speed limit and drivinf a hundred miles an hour over the speed limit, the element of possible harm is my point. So your calling me a liar again? What is it with you guys? If I wanted to lie would I have admitted to any extra weight? Your being stupid now too, but usually your not this bad, eddo yes, all he cares about is being hateful, but I have seen a different side with you, don't drop down to eddo's level.

All I did was tell the truth, you did spend a lot of time behind the scenes egging things one, that does not mean you forced me to do anything. If you bother to actually read my posts I admitted I had my own reasons for not liking Wez, I would have had issues with Wez with or without your additions.....but you still "tried" to instigate and that is my point. Creating fake pm's? When did I ever do that eddo? The storage box is only so big eddo, I have a lot of pm's from people and have to toss out the old stuff but if I wanted to make a fake one I could do it, your making no sense at all. By the way you should spend "you" time? Should that not be "your"? Nitpicking my spelling and messing up yourself is just golden No, you knew you were attacking my faith, now your just telling a lie. There is nothing in any of that with me saying I was speaking for all those of faith. Your not stupid, you know what I said, playing stupid now is not going to work. eddo, everything you have ever said to or about me has been completely vile and filled with hate, if you hate me so much why even say anything at all? I don't want a personal problem with you but I will not run away from you either. When you make such horrible attacks on my faith I will respond. But you will notice I never do what you and other people do. When Ali mentioned your work with children and such I praised you for it. You instead will take any avenue to insult me like this attack on my faith.

Because your always the one dishing out the abuse, you have never had to be constantly bombarded by it the way I am by people like eddo. If your going to have a need for surgery to remove the flabby skin your severely over weight. What idocy are you talking Ali? I am not obese, you think being 150 pounds overweight is the same as being 10 or 15 pounds? Sugar is potential energy that burns off fast, an active person will burn off refined surgar almost completely, but if your already severely over weight then yes, it is more harmful because your already stressing your system as it is. In face, many very fat people get diabetes as a result and many of those get over diabetes when they lose the excessive weight. Your massively overweight Ali. You cannot compare yourself to someone who is not. I guess you don't know that most people with thyroid problems easily get past it with medication. Diets never work. Look at the nutri-system commercials, they show someone lost 30 pounds and in small letters they say "results not typical".....what....losing weight is not typical? Of course not, you have to change your lifestyle, a "diet" is you punnishing yourself, putting your mouth on restriction and it never works for the very obese. The problem is your hand bringing food to your mouth, I'm sorry to be blunt but your little attempt to try and make us sound the same is lame to the extreme. I am about to turn 44 years old and have a few extra pounds, I am not obese. But, yes my own extra weight is because of the same reason, my hand puts food into my mouth, that is my fault, we are just talking much different degrees and mine is not dangering my health, yours was. Fukking hypocrite. Stop feeling sorry for yourself Ali, your better than this. You were severely over weight, I am not, my colesterol was high and now I have it down below what my doctor wants me to keep it......I am healthy, I am active, and I keep myself checked on a regular basis. I will do what I need to do and if I need to make a drastic loss of weight for my health I will do that because I have the will power to do what I "need" to do, but I see no reason to make drastic moves when I am healthy and not in danger. You were in severe danger, for many years, your situation is nothing like mine. So your solutions are nothing like mine. But, I am not saying your a bad person for getting the belt Ali, I was talking as a devil's advocate to show that surgery is a big, big step. You did what you feel is right and I support you on that, I don't think your a bad person for not having the ability to do this on your own, at least you were able to admit to yourself that you had an issue you could not handle and got the help you needed........I respect that more than you might think. The important thing is to know that your going to finally get down to a healthy weight, your life expectancy is going to go way up with this and that is a good thing. Your self esteem is going to go way up because of this and that is a good thing. Your food bill is going way down and that is a good thing. I am sure the plus sizes cost more so your going to spend less on clothes. Looks to me like everything in your life is going to get so much better by losing the weight, so good job, I'm proud of you for doing what you had to do. Should I return the insults? Treat you the way you treat me? Maybe some fat jokes or talk about the muppet characters? Maybe instead I will just say that I forgive you and maybe you can forgive me some day.