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So eddo being at Wez's throat long before ever comming here does not count? I knew nothing about either of them before comming here. And that means you really cared all along, you just did not know it. I use spellcheckers for important things and people when professional appearance is just as important as the meaning, here I am just communicating and as long as the meaning is known, I don't care about the spelling. Thise who nit pick on spelling are small minded idiots and have nothing better to do with their minds. And yet you cannot understand the concept of a "true" follower and a false one? Standing in the room does not mean you were a follower of the faith or ever felt the holy spirit. No he didn't. He took action to deal woth those who were doing wrong, you do not have to be out of control to apply punnishment. Do you hate a child if you spank a child who did wrong? Of course not. If you were able to know the right word then you received the meaning of my post, communication is the transfer of ideas and meaning from one person to the other, you understood so the communication was successful. That is all that matters to me. Again, you know the meaning, so anything else is just games. Are you really this stupid? When it is time to back up your car then you will be looking back most of the time to ensure your not going to hit something. Maybe you will use a mirror or a camera but there are times when looking back are needed and the only way to do something. When your driving foward, looking back here and there to know your surroundings is a good idea but most of your attention should be kept moving foward. In this case eddo claimed he attacked my faith because "I" said I was speaking for all people of faith. Going from his attack post and moving back we see not one post where I said anything about speaking for all people of faith, in fact I said I see things a lot different than many people of faith. eddo lied, he attacked my faith because he hates me and is obsessed with taking any shot possible at me he can think of. But I love a good hat,

I have a brain capable of doing both depending on the correct need at the time. The only correct way to look at the possibility of evolution is to look forward to try and figure out the why's for each change, not looking backward taking away because it is not that simple, there must be a reason for the addition, it didn't just appear out of nowhere without cause. Taking one of the already offered points of breasts needed to feed a flat face, if there was a "need" for the larger breasts to feed the child, and the child did not get what it needed, it would have died and no future generations. The "need" is a need now, not thousands of years into the future, the baby can't wait for the change. The looking back method is the only way evolution appears possible because you can look past the needs that would have prompted the changes, but looking foward, you see that life is still happening and if it was a "need" to survive, then they would have died waiting for the change.....

My grandther was a farmer. He was a farmer when there no mexicans picking the produce and it was all local families who were working on the farm. A lifetime of farming made him responsible for feeding easily hundreds of thousands of families on top of that. You didn't have huge commercial farm companies back then, just farmers who worked their azz off to grow food. Taking time off meant less food production.....maybe that meant a family might go hungry? The impact his work had was maybe difficult to touch but was very wide indeed. The bigger point was in his day you did what you had to do, how many people make the kind of money a pilot makes? How many people in America make less for much harder work? I don't feel sorry for pilots who complain about a job they sit on the azz to do all day when some people litteraly go home bleeding and hurting at the end of their day every day..........man up and grow a pair, stop being a crybaby. How many pilots in wartime flew missions tired? How many had to drop their bombs near friendly troops and had to be careful not to kill them but still attack the enemy? If they find the job bad then quit, but stop crying.

I gave you a better example with the doctor so if you were really interested in the topic you would have spoken on that point, being as you ignored it your obviously just be pissy for some reason so I am done with you on this if you can't stay on topic. By the way my Grandfather point was if he dies averyone else that was born would not have been here, it was a joke, you missed it, lol. Toodles, your not usually this silly, you mad at me or something?

Ali, the round and round about eddo is simple, you can look for yourself or accept my word about what is happening (maybe I know what is being said because it is directed at me and you didn't even know Hugo had me on ignore so you obviously miss a lot) or you can believe that just because eddo is your friend, he could not possibly be capable of doing this........your choice of truth or blind support that makes you wrong, I can't make that choice for you, only you can make that choice. All we do know for sure no matter what way you decide is your decision to call me a coward and stuff for considering to place eddo on ignore to get away from the constant stream of insults was not fair. You reacted only to defend eddo and would never and have never said similar things to people like hugo for doing the same things. We still have a part hate relationship as your next post indicates where you seem to be holding some hard feelings from the past so it seems when the chance appears, you will still go overboard to berate me unlike you do with the rest of the members........I can accept that, and I hope we can one day get past that, but the only way to get past it is to call it for what it is. I like you, your 95% great and only 5% bad so I would never not want to talk with you or be around you. The 5% keeps things interesting. Eddo may not be 100% bad, but he is certainly 99% and that just seems like a tough thing to deal with sometimes. So you calling me obese? Don't you have to over a certain percentage of fat to be able to even get the surgeries like that? My offer was to help you lose weight, I never said to make you a skinny fencepost. I carry my 270 very well thank you very much. Size 40 pants at over 6 foot tall does not really make me fat. Sure I call myself a tad heavy because in my mind I still see the man who used to work out all the time and kept a sixpack for most of his life. My doctor is worried about my cholesterol, not my sugar intake. He told me he would feel better if I lost 15 pounds and I am considering it but people who used to work out heavy have the hardest time in controlling their weight, it is worse than thyroid problems. Not an excuse, just a point. But, yes I know sugar is bad, so is breathing lol. Did you know the average home is more polluted than the middle of a big city during rush hour? Ever hear of Volatile Organic Compunds (VOC's)? If you have carpet, furnature, cabinets, varnished items, tile, most paints, etc....in your home then your breathing unhealthy chemicals every day. I thought as most people do that my home was great, until I tested it and found out that over 90% of all homes have some form of toxic exposures they are dealing with.....did you know even most candles are extremely bad for you? One candle can be as bad as eating a pound of fat for a month for your heart and other systems. Interesting to say the least, lol. So there are many ways to be healthy, I am now looking for moderation, in most cases diets just do not work, it is changing lifestyle that works so that is why I am changing how I cook things like using my grill to cook most of the "bad" foods to let the greases drip off instead of eating them. We are looking for new rescipees that have less bad stuff in them like I love alfredo noodles but the sauce is very bad so we are doing more other things and avoiding them, I feel confident with small changes and keeping to them without doing anything drastic I will very slowly reduce my weight without making me feel like I am starving or really giving up much. Small baby steps for change to be are the best and easiest to accept. And I refuse to give up my tea, lol. We do the 50/50 thing with real sugar and splenda, that is supposed to be a little better

I guess everyone who was born after him maybe? Nice way to take the arguement to the extreme and lose connection to reality there Merc. The point I am making is what is real fatigue and what is fake just to get a high rate of pay and a low work requirement to get it. The airlines are already bleeding money and where do we go from there? I do not want an honestly very worn out pilot to fly a plane either, but it is not as bad as you think. Most of the flight is on automatic pilot anyway. Minor adjustments can be made on the fly without taking it off auto. The real flying is done in bad weather and landing, taking off. How many lives are on the line for a Doctor doing intern duty? About 4 hours of sleep a day and making life/death decisions sometimes hundreds of times a day. Do you think they can just toss up their hands and call "time" and go home when they feel a tad tired? Somehow they make it though, while mistakes do happen and they get a lot of media attention, the percentages of problems are actually almost nothing.

lol, well that was hardly the treatment you gave me, no heart or passion like you gave me, but that is not really my point. You said what you said not because of my considering to put eddo on ignore but because it was me and somehow I deserve to be treated much more harshly by you and a couple others for some reason. Go into look at all of eddo's posts and offer me a percentage of posts made by eddo about or to me that he says something nice in the last two years. Don't take my word for it, look for yourself. But you still called me a coward among other things for thinking about it. Wez has never been and never will be a friend of mine. He is just too far gone from reality to be allowed anywhere near my consideration. eddo, the only problem I have with eddo is how he treats me, I never even mention his name and out of nowhere he slams me for one thing or another. eddo has certainly never tried to be friendly with me other then as far as he could get me to help him give Wez a hard time. Once Wez was no longer an issue, eddo has been completely nasty to me. And I have held my hand out to eddo many times just to have it slapped away. I am happy just to have a truce, if he is so upset at me for some reason fine, just leave me alone.

The one I did didn't give houses but it offered me a "full report" for $25, lol. I got this cool picture though: .

Well now you know, let's see you publically jump his azz like you do mine. This is my point, your only now saying this because you like to defend eddo, whatever he does is okay and anything I do in opposition to eddo must be bad and punnished with a public display of scorn. I really wish I could get a fair shake around here sometimes. But eddo's negativity to me is 100%, not 10%. Wez is 100% as well and that is why he is on my ignore list. You say tempted, I say considering, would that not be the same thing? I am saying the same as your saying but different words. Am I not allowed to be human and feel tempted to relieve a 100% constant negative and nasty element in my life? Me and you have had both good and bad as well as indifferent times between us, there is some give and take involved so there is something for us to build on. I don't have that with eddo, eddo has nothing but contempt, vile, and ugly things to say to and about me, 100% hurtful and mean. What do I have to build on with him? I put Wez on ignore for the exact same reason, there is no possible future of anything positive between me and Wez so why waste my time and part of my life on something that can never have a shread of good from it? I deserve to be dressed down and called a coward by you because I sometimes feel the constant flow of hate to be a tad tough to deal with? I am not the kind of person to just sit there and be a punching bag for eternity.

Well I just did one and it seemed pretty good in some areas and not in others, I would paste it all here but it looks too long, maybe just the short results, Ali, you tell me the important ones Rising Sign is in 08 Degrees Leo Sun is in 22 Degrees Virgo. Moon is in 12 Degrees Taurus. Mercury is in 11 Degrees Virgo. Venus is in 01 Degrees Scorpio. Mars is in 16 Degrees Scorpio. Jupiter is in 29 Degrees Gemini. Saturn is in 13 Degrees Pisces. Uranus is in 15 Degrees Virgo. Neptune is in 17 Degrees Scorpio. Pluto is in 16 Degrees Virgo. N. Node is in 07 Degrees Gemini. So am I a reasonable creation out of my parts or something different, lol.

Ali, where do you get that stuff about house of this or that? I am curious now to see what astrology says about me, I am pretty skeptical but hey, new experiences and all that.

lol, okay, that was funny

You know that is the interesting part me and the flower child lady who was our teacher in the birthing classes used to spend a lot of time talking about. The pain a woman goes through in birth is massive, but nature let's her forget it, otherwise they would never let a man touch them again, lol. We had some ladies have a flashback and actually remember the pain of child birth during my first responder training. They showed an actual birth video and the ladies suddenly had the flashback. I felt bad for them but I found it interesting that the mind can work that way as well. Pretty cool

An interesting point is about to be made, please pay attention everyone: hugo has said several times that he has placed me on ignore in just the last couple days, did you say this to him? Did you call hugo a coward? Did you question his integrity? Did you tell him to face the conflict? Several of you have a huge double standard when it comes to me. I most likely will not put eddo on ignore because when he is not directly talking to or about me he is actually pretty funny and I like some of what he says but it seems his need to be ugly to me makes it impossible for him to ever treat me with even a shread of decency and can I be allowed to be human enough to not know how to deal with such things sometimes?

lol, well they didn't sag that low, being filled with milk they actually stood out better then you think

I am not sure of the steps in size but I seem to remember we had to special order my ex's bras. She was a DD before and I think it was a EEE we ended up ordering.

Well I guess it was to be expected the calvary would circle the wagons and protect their own while completely ignoring the fact that eddo started it, typical. Jesus was also the son of God and was able to resist all temptations because of his perfection, I am not perfect. eddo, That quote was "AFTER" you started slamming my faith, go back to your first post and look backward and show me a post where I claimed to be speaking for all Christians that you claim motivated your attack on me to begin this entire dialog. Merc, As RO has been pointing out today, we can look to human behaviors to help us determine motivations and even possible future actions because humans tend to fall into certain ruts of behaviors. I determine eddo's motivations by looking at the total of his posts about and to me, all of that being purely negative and nasty. The F.B.I. would call that a clue. Ali again, I also admire eddo's actions outside of this board. I will not call his claims lies as you all do me because even though he is not friendly to me I do not feel a need to try and put him down in other ways when I have a problem with him in one way. I only respond to him as he treats me, think of it like a mirror image only I take the hate he shows and simply expose it instead of letting it inside my own heart, that stuff can drive a person mad.

I remember the ex had to keep expressing milk to relieve pressure when we were away from the baby for any long period. She also used to throw away a lot of her milk she pumped because she made more then our children needed. Can the size of the breast determine the amount of milk she can produce because the ex was a natural DD when we met and she always made more than the baby needed and used the pump to help relieve her pressure feelings.

I am actually considering adding him to my ignore list. eddo has never said a single nice thing to or about me in over two years. Chi is nasty to me without cause as well, but she has also been nice to me a couple times....well maybe not nice but not ugly so I will try to just ignore the ugly things and pay attention to the not ugly. I don't ask for much, if eddo offered me anything but hate I would have a much different reaction to him. Well we can all drop dead tomorrow I guess, but sometimes you can help or hurt your chances I suppose. I drink sweet tea, that is my main drink pretty much everywhere I go. Apple juice and orange juice for breakfast and if I have to, I will drink a sprite or other clear soda if nothing else is available, I love my home water but cannot drink city water and most bottled waters are crap. I grill three nights or more a week as a kind of middle ground to still eat what I want but let a lot of the grease drip off. I love cheese, just about any kind of cheese. If you open my fridge you will see around 7 different kinds of cheese in there at any one time. The doctor does not like that either Believe me, I have to fight to stay just a little chunky, I had a lot of people i knew from those circles working out with each other who have gotten huge. I joke with one guy and tell him if he was two inches shorter he would be perfectly round, lol. I guess I just don't understand why you keep saying such ugly things out of nowhere Chi. I don't dislike you or anything, in fact I think your pretty cool and I find myself agreeing with you more then you might think then as I'm feeling pretty good about you in general BAM you smack me in the face with something like that........I don't know what to say.

Well our "modern" society is, but looking back a few hundred years you did see life long mating with humans.

Well evolutionists do have a lot of bumperstickers, I give them that but there is not one experiment to prove evolution either. All that can be proven is the ability to adapt, not evolve. You can use smoke and mirrors to try and deflect attention away from your own lack of facts but I admit there are no facts on either side, I have nothing to hide or be ashamed of, I know the limitations of the belief in God and admit those limitations. Too bad you can't do the same.....

eddo, I never said everyone of faith shared my views, in fact there are many times I said the exact opposite, your losing your mind eddo.

And point it out incorrectly on top of it. Than stop talking about it. I find it hard to believe you would waste your prescious time on things you don't care about. The future is irrelivant to a discussion about evolution. The evolution process could not look into the future and see that we needed one thing or another. Every trait created must have a real reason "now" to be created. Obama and Clinton used their involvement in a church for political gain, Hitler used religion as a tool of control in his early years then when he had total control he rejected religion and even started funding evolution science. Today there are a lot of people who attend a church and go through the motions while they are at church or being looked at by church members but the second they get away from that circle, they no longer follow the actual teachings, the beliefs. Let me put it a different way you might better understand what I am saying. A rapist puts on a police uniform and pretends to be a police officer to gain access to a victim, is that person a "true" police officer just because he is wearing the uniform? Being as you do not feel the drive, the holy spirit speaking to you there is no way for you to understand any of this. I am speaking on the ability to dissagree without losing control or getting angry, that certainly was one of the messages Jesus brought to us. eddo does not posses this ability or even try to leave his hate at the door. In fact he embraces his anger and even promotes it in other people. His egging on hate and teaming up on people just because you do not like them was not.

As are you. As evolution cannot look into the future and see where it is supposed to go, there must be a reason why certain traits would be inserted "at the time they were inserted". Idiot? You can't ever keep yourself under control can you? You Atheists are way to angry and always look down your nose at anyone who does not swallow evolution blindly. Again, your still stuck looking backward, you have to pry your mind out of that mode to truly look at evolution correctly as a theory. How does the attraction to breasts happen if there are no breasts? Evolution would both have to insert the sexual desire for breasts and the breasts at the same time to be selected.......why would it insert it in the first place? What was the "need" that drove it and going back to my usual theme, if it takes thousands of years to fulfil a "need" then has not the need already passed? If you were not anti-religion you would not say such nasty things about those of faith and be looking down your nose at them. I already said there are none, do you have a lack of attention issue? Faith is like love, it cannot be measured or pointed out in any scientific way. Creation and evoltion are exactly the same in that there has never been a way to show either is possible outside a person's mind......yet. Nice tirade but irrelivant, evolution cannot see into the future so how does it know to add enlarged breasts? Your running off into the distance talking about.....I don't know what. My point you missed was why did evolution give something to human females that it did not find reason to give to any other creature on the planet? You make it sound like watching the discovery channel is a bad thing. Education can be found in many forms RO. My point was that nature figured out how to make the black vulture work without adding enlarged breasts. Nature figured out how to make them lifelong mates and even get other vultures to help keep them from fooling around on each other. There are many other creatures that share the life long mate behavior, all without enlarged breasts so "looking foward", what was the reason to add enlarged breasts to women? RO, Before humans invented the microscope we had no idea there were things like bacteria in the world. Did bacteria not exist prior to the microscope being invented? Of coures not, even if we cannot perceive some things, that does not mean they do not exist. Your inability to not perceive God "might" be the same thing....I am just offering an idea, a possibility. I know I can perceive him, I feel his love that is every bit as real to me as the love I feel with my children, just a little different.

Chi........nevermind, when your stuck in being ugly mode I will just not reply to you. Sometimes I am, but sometimes I'm the frog too, looking for a kiss I have gained a few pounds, ask any person who used to work out heavy what happens when you stop working out and they will almost always say you gain weight easily. The body is used to taking in and burning off a massive amount of calories so it is a big change your body must go through. I am 6' 2" and 270 pounds, I have the linebacker build with a little more gut than would seem healthy, and I agree, lol. Mostly my issue with my doctor is my cholesterol. I have mild high blood pressure issues and a family trend to heart disease so things like a philly are not supposed to be on my menu.