Anna Perenna
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ImWithStupid said:Allegedly.
By leading scientists and other climate change experts.
Denied predominantly by armchair pundits in Yokeltown, USA.
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ImWithStupid said:Allegedly.
Anna Perenna said:By leading scientists and other climate change experts.
Denied predominantly by armchair pundits in Yokeltown, USA.
“A major climatic change would force economic and social adjustments on a worldwide scale,” warns a recent report by the National Academy of Sciences, “because the global patterns of food production and population that have evolved are implicitly dependent on the climate of the present century.”
A survey completed last year by Dr. Murray Mitchell of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reveals a drop of half a degree in average ground temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere between 1945 and 1968. According to George Kukla of Columbia University, satellite photos indicated a sudden, large increase in Northern Hemisphere snow cover in the winter of 1971-72. And a study released last month by two NOAA scientists notes that the amount of sunshine reaching the ground in the continental U.S. diminished by 1.3% between 1964 and 1972.
To the layman, the relatively small changes in temperature and sunshine can be highly misleading. Reid Bryson of the University of Wisconsin points out that the Earth’s average temperature during the great Ice Ages was only about seven degrees lower than during its warmest eras — and that the present decline has taken the planet about a sixth of the way toward the Ice Age average.
Others regard the cooling as a reversion to the “little ice age” conditions that brought bitter winters to much of Europe and northern America between 1600 and 1900 — years when the Thames used to freeze so solidly that Londoners roasted oxen on the ice and when iceboats sailed the Hudson River almost as far south as New York City.
Just what causes the onset of major and minor ice ages remains a mystery. “Our knowledge of the mechanisms of climatic change is at least as fragmentary as our data,” concedes the National Academy of Sciences report. “Not only are the basic scientific questions largely unanswered, but in many cases we do not yet know enough to pose the key questions.”
Meteorologists think that they can forecast the short-term results of the return to the norm of the last century. They begin by noting the slight drop in overall temperature that produces large numbers of pressure centers in the upper atmosphere. These break up the smooth flow of westerly winds over temperate areas. The stagnant air produced in this way causes an increase in extremes of local weather such as droughts, floods, extended dry spells, long freezes, delayed monsoons and even local temperature increases — all of which have a direct impact on food supplies.
Anna Perenna said:
snafu said:You got to be kidding me right? That flick is an hour long. Snoze.........
snafu said:I think there is global warming. We see it right here in Alaska. They say in about 4 years Newtok AK will be gone. It's on a course that no one can stop. It's called evolution. We can' t win a battle with mother nature. And Al Gore (who's name is in the title of the thread, thats why IWS was bringing him up) can kiss my oil burning ass.
Anna Perenna said:I don't understand why most people here seem to want to believe that it isn't happening, or that it isn't our fault.
RoyalOrleans said:Most of us seem to have a finely tuned bullsh!t detector.
Anna Perenna said:Royal, do you really think that scientists who work for Universities and other not for profit research organisations are trying to 'fool' the whole world as part of a nefarious plan to get us to plant trees and maintain cleaner water systems?
A-P said:And how exactly is 'going green' going to ruin the economy?
First, let me say that I do believe the earth is getting warmer and planting trees and cleaning up water supplies are not bad things. I just believe that the warming is occuring in the normal scheme of things, that man may be contributing to that warming but is not the primary cause.Anna Perenna said:Royal, do you really think that scientists who work for Universities and other not for profit research organisations are trying to 'fool' the whole world as part of a nefarious plan to get us to plant trees and maintain cleaner water systems?
And how exactly is 'going green' going to ruin the economy?
I like going green because it saves money. My light bulbs are all florescent twisty bulbs, my house well insulated with an economical heat pump. My average light bill per month: $60. My Hyundai gets 37 to the gallon highway, my Saturn gets 40mpg. Cost of fuel this month so far... well I just filled up my Saturn today, last time I put gas in it was 3 weeks ago. I was at almost 1/4 a tank, cost to fill up: $23, my wife uses $12-14 a week in her hyundai going back and forth to work. Total cost for both cars in one moonth... say about $60-65. Not once have I complained about high fuel prices, going green just makes sense. If I had my way, I'd convert my house to SOLAR/WIND power and feed electricity back into the grid. The setups aren't too expensive I suppose, but not something the average person can just cut a check for to have installed. So if I was ever going to make a home improvement loan on equity, that would be what it would be for.snafu said:I think going green is a tremendously good idea. We're using up the earths resources at a phenomenal rate. With the waste that can be converted to energy and just pure waste in general is atrocious. We buy products dolled up with crap packaging just to sell the product. That's a big problem in itself. I for one want to go green for the energy stability (national security) as well as the clean air we need to breath. But global warming is just a scare tactic to get the same results. Global warming will happen no matter what man does.
snafu said:I think going green is a tremendously good idea. We're using up the earths resources at a phenomenal rate. With the waste that can be converted to energy and just pure waste in general is atrocious. We buy products dolled up with crap packaging just to sell the product. That's a big problem in itself. I for one want to go green for the energy stability (national security) as well as the clean air we need to breath. But global warming is just a scare tactic to get the same results. Global warming will happen no matter what man does.
RoyalOrleans said:Yes, I do.
RoyalOrleans said:With all the "green" and "going green" labels put on everything these days, this will be a temporary jolting ripple to the economy.
To me, it's a waste of money. To others dumb enough to buy sh!t they don't need, bully for them.
Old Salt said:First, let me say that I do believe the earth is getting warmer and planting trees and cleaning up water supplies are not bad things. I just believe that the warming is occuring in the normal scheme of things, that man may be contributing to that warming but is not the primary cause.
However, scientists, a lot of them ideologues, working for universities and not for profits confused depend on grants, either from governments, or other entities. In order to get those grants, they will focus on whatever the cause du jour is. They may not knowingly falsify data, but they will read that data in a way which will keep the money coming in.
Bender said:I like going green because it saves money. My light bulbs are all florescent twisty bulbs
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ImWithStupid said:We need to open up options, use all the above resources in as environmentally friendly ways as possible, but the politicians need to stop cow towing to these environmentalists that are just all, "No men".
IN THE US (I know, it's not Australia) the students are not paying exhorbitant amounts for their studies in order to help fund research. My wife's nephew, who is a Turk, came to the US for his Masters and PhD as an international student. While he was doing his studies, he worked on projects for outside entities.Anna Perenna said:Um, can you please prove your point here? A lot of the university research in Australia is funded internally, by PhD and international students who pay huge amounts for the privilege of studying there.
And government grants are awarded on the strength of principal investigators CV's, the methodology outlined in the application, etc. Do you want to see some examples of standard grant application forms?
As for them picking the cause du jour and only studying what they believe will attract funding - you don't have any way of substantiating your claim.
Old Salt said:IN THE US (I know, it's not Australia) the students are not paying exhorbitant amounts for their studies in order to help fund research. My wife's nephew, who is a Turk, came to the US for his Masters and PhD as an international student. While he was doing his studies, he worked on projects for outside entities.
The University of Nebraska is creating a zone near campus to (their words paraphrased) attract more research projects and funding.
I only know what is familiar to me. I apologize for not being conversant with procedures at Australian universities.