Al Gore's Tennessee Home Wasting Electricity

[Old Salt]

I don't know for sure, but I'm sure there are.

 

[ImWithStupid]

I'm not sure what you mean by all environmentalists being "no men"

I was referring to those who continually preach that we get off of fossil fuels in favor of cleaner alternative fuels, yet put up every kind of roadblocks to expanding those same alternatives that are technologically available.

 

[wez]

No need to apologise. I didn't realise the University research system in the USA was open to .... suggestion.

Are there any organisations with the means to carry out research independently?

Yeah.. Exxon.


Exxon Mobil turns biggest US quarterly profit - MSNBC Wire Services - MSNBC.com

 

[Old Salt]

Yeah. I guess it could be any of the major oil companies. And some of the pharmaceuticals.

 

[ImWithStupid]

No need to apologise. I didn't realise the University research system in the USA was open to .... suggestion.

Are there any organisations with the means to carry out research independently?

Now you see why us American's aren't so much part of Yokeltown, USA, when we are skeptical, but have become that way through experience.

 

[snafu]

BP and Conico both have commercials saying they are spending tremendous amounts of money on research for newer technologies. They're not gonna wanna lose out when the change comes.
People are finally waking up.

 

[Old Salt]

Now you see why us American's aren't so much part of Yokeltown, USA, when we are skeptical, but have become that way through experience.

The person paying for the research usually gets the results they pay for. Look at big tobacco years ago - then the anti-tobacco people.

 

[Anna Perenna]

I was referring to those who continually preach that we get off of fossil fuels in favor of cleaner alternative fuels, yet put up every kind of roadblocks to expanding those same alternatives that are technologically available.

Who is doing this?

 

[ImWithStupid]

The person paying for the research usually gets the results they pay for. Look at big tobacco years ago - then the anti-tobacco people.

Bingo.

 

[ImWithStupid]

Who is doing this?

The environmental lobyists.

 

[Anna Perenna]

Now you see why us American's aren't so much part of Yokeltown, USA, when we are skeptical, but have become that way through experience.

The person paying for the research usually gets the results they pay for. Look at big tobacco years ago - then the anti-tobacco people.

Well then, focus your attentions on the truly independent research organisations in Scandinavia and yes, Australia (I'm not bragging, just bein' real yo).

Their research suggests that the current climate change problems are due to anthropological influence and that green steps can be taken to help ease the dilemma.

 

[Anna Perenna]

The environmental lobyists.

Like who exactly?

 

[Old Salt]

The environmental lobyists.

It's really sad how they're trying to stop wind farms in rural Kansas. And there are plenty of other examples.

 

[Old Salt]

Didn't Prince Charles put a nix on a wind farm a few years ago because it spoiled his view? Seems to me I remember reading something about that in the news.

And there have been wind farms proposed on the US East coast that got cancelled.

 

[ImWithStupid]

Didn't Prince Charles put a nix on a wind farm a few years ago because it spoiled his view? Seems to me I remember reading something about that in the news.

And there have been wind farms proposed on the US East coast that got cancelled.

Ala Ted Kennedy and his rich Martha's Vinyard buddies.

 

[Old Salt]

Ala Ted Kennedy and his rich Martha's Vinyard buddies.

That's the one. That's US Senator Ted Kennedy. If you've got enough money and power....

 

[Anna Perenna]

still waiting for that list .....

 

[ImWithStupid]

still waiting for that list .....

Do you mean environmental lobyists? If so, start with the Sierra Club and then Goggle the rest of the list. I know how things work in US politics. Educate yourself if you want to get in this argument.

 

[Anna Perenna]

Do you mean environmental lobyists? If so, start with the Sierra Club and then Goggle the rest of the list. I know how things work in US politics. Educate yourself if you want to get in this argument.

What's the matter - can't you come up with at least a few examples?

You seem so knowledgeable on the subject .... so very sure ....

Teach me

 

[ImWithStupid]

What's the matter - can't you come up with at least a few examples?

You seem so knowledgeable on the subject .... so very sure ....

Teach me

I guess you ignored the Sierra Club as an example and seem to be incapable of using Google, so I'll help the less able.

Blue Ridge Environmental Defense League

Save Western Ohio

Innisfil Windwatchers

Center for Biological Diversity

ActionPA

Greenpeace

This is just an example of a few of those who are opposed to the "clean" energy options. It doesn't inclued those opposed to use of any carbon based energy sources like coal to oil, natural gas, OCS/ANWR drilling or shale oil.

I'm sorry you aren't able to use the internet effectivly, and this is just a handfull of the hundreds out there trying to block any effort to advance the US energy battle, but I can't hold your hand all your life and you really should learn to use the resource known as a "search engine", and as you will find, many articles only cite the opposition as an "environmental group" but if you do some research or personal education, you can find the names of these organiztions.