NO EVIDENCE OF GODS

"Sippuuden" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message
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>
> What does any of this have to do with the evidence of God you were going
> to produce to show that your statement, "Evidence does not work on
> atheists' is correct?
> Aren't you just trying to change the subject, trying to create a diversion
> away from your inability to produce such evidence?
>
No matter what proof anyone presents atheists will always reject it, for
to reject is the prime directive of their belief or disbelief system. Our
Christian "God is love" (1 John 4 ,16) become fully manifested in Jesus
Christ shedding His precious and innocent blood for us sinners on the cross
of Calvary.
Therefore we know our God and have seen Him in Jesus Christ. Only
atheists would insist that such self-sacrificing love does not exist in
reality. And perhaps in their "reality" it does indeed not exist.



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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 16, 8:08 am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
>>
>> And finally, we're not talking about "Americans" any more than you could
>> describe unborn fetuses as "truck drivers" or "golfers" or "Dixie Chicks
>> fans". They're FETUSES, they aren't people. I'm not sure where you come
>> up with such kooky descriptions (actually, I am pretty sure where you
>> come up with such kooky descriptions.)
>> If this is the level of your debating skills, then we have little
>> further to talk about.
>
> We have nothing to talk about. I use words with their actual
> meanings, not with meanings given to them by atheists. The fact that
> atheists can say that unborn children are not human beings means
> nothing to me. I can tell that they are human beings.
> Robert B. Winn
>
Atheists emphasise the word "FETUSES" like the words "Jews" by Hitler's
goons, or "Negros" by slave holders, which such deadly contempt for humans,
it's chilling to behold. There can be no doubt, that those aborted FETUSES
were humans, and at their most vulnerable stage in life. That is why the
womb has become the most dangerous place for humans to be in.



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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 17, 6:13 am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>> > On Mar 15, 5:55?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> > > How do you know that the father of Jesus is GOD!
>> >
>> > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God.
>>
>> My crazy Uncle Harold claimed HE was the Son of God, just before they
>> institutionalized him.
>>
>> Small world, I guess...
>
> You did not have a crazy Uncle Harold who said he was the Son of God.
> Robert B. Winn
>
All who love God are the sons of God. See below

Pastor Frank

SONS OF GOD
Jesus in Jn:8:35-36: And the servant abideth not in the house for ever:
but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall
be free indeed.
Jesus in Jn:15:15: Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant
knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all
things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
Jn:1:12: But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Rom:8:14: For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons
of God.
Rom:8:19: For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the
manifestation of the sons of God.
Phil:2:15: That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God,
without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among
whom ye shine as lights in the world;
1Jn:3:1: Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us,
that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us
not, because it knew him not.
1Jn:3:2: Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear
what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like
him; for we shall see him as he is.



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"Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> > > > We've heard your lame argument that "Stalin was an atheist and he
>> > > > killed
>> > > > millions of people" countless times before. It doesn't stand up.
>> > > > Stalin's atheism had nothing to do with his motives, he didn't kill
>> > > > in
>> > > > the name of atheism--unlike the nineteen hijackers.
>> >
>> > > Well, I think he did. What about abortion doctors? They have killed
>> > > about 60,000,000 Americans since 1973. Are you saying that they do
>> > > not do what they do in the name of atheism?
>> >
>> > No, of course they don't.
>> > Do you have any conception (no pun intended) that other people can have
>> > different opinions about issues like abortion without being atheists or
>> > doing things "in the name of atheism" (whatever that means)? Abortion
>> > is
>> > a safe and legal medical procedure, and is done at the request of the
>> > woman seeking medical attention. Your moral posturing contributes
>> > nothing to the discussion.
>> > Your figure of 60,000,000 abortions in the US since 1973 is too high by
>> > at least a factor of two; if you're going to quote statistics, please
>> > be
>> > a little more accurate.
>> > And finally, we're not talking about "Americans" any more than you
>> > could
>> > describe unborn fetuses as "truck drivers" or "golfers" or "Dixie
>> > Chicks
>> > fans". They're FETUSES, they aren't people. I'm not sure where you come
>> > up with such kooky descriptions (actually, I am pretty sure where you
>> > come up with such kooky descriptions.)
>> > If this is the level of your debating skills, then we have little
>> > further to talk about.
>>
>> We have nothing to talk about. I use words with their actual
>> meanings, not with meanings given to them by atheists.
>
> The word "fetus" is a precise, specific term--unlike the many nonsense
> religious terms created solely to inflame emotions over the abortion
> issue.
>
>> The fact that atheists can say that unborn children are not human beings
>> means nothing to me.
>
> Actually, the law says that "unborn children" (there's one of those
> nonsense terms) are not human beings.
>
"not human beings" like Jews were in Germany perhaps, or Negros were in
the USA?



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"Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 16, 8:08 am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
>> > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
>> > > > >> I'd like you to send a copy to Jesse Ventura.- Hide quoted
>> > > > >> text -
>> >
>> > > > > OK. ?Give me his address.
>> > > > > Robert B. Winn
>> >
>> > > > If you really love god, you'll look it up.- Hide quoted text -
>> >
>> > > I just don't feel inspired to do it.
>> >
>> > Why do you hate God?
>>
>> Jesse Ventura is not God, and I do not hate him in any event.
>
> Reading comprehension really isn't your strong suit, is it?
> Sheesh...
>
>> If you want to give me his address, I will send him a Bible.
>
> Why don't you just put a copy in the mail and trust your God to deliver
> it to the right place?
> Or do you mistrust your God, as well as hating him?
>
Only atheists "hate", trash and flame.



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On Mar 17, 7:22?am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 15, 5:55 am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > How do you know that the father of Jesus is GOD!
>
> > Jesus Christ said he was the Son of God.
>
> Claiming to be the Son of God is a symptom of mental illness. Don't you
> know that?

Well, what I know about it is that if a male human being claims to be
a son of God, he is telling the truth. Notice that people who say
they are children of God have a much lower suicide rate than
psychiatrists, who have one of the highest rates of suicide.
Robert B. Winn
 
On Mar 17, 7:19?am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 17, 6:13 am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
> > > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 15, 5:55?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > How do you know that the father of Jesus is GOD!
>
> > > > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God.
>
> > > My crazy Uncle Harold claimed HE was the Son of God, just before they
> > > institutionalized him.
>
> > > Small world, I guess...
>
> > You did not have a crazy Uncle Harold who said he was the Son of God.
>
> Actually, yes, I do...
>
> And the point, of course, is that claiming to be the Son of God and
> mental illness are connected. The medical literature is full of such
> cases.
>
> It could well be that Jesus was just like my poor uncle.

You have shown no verifiable evidence that you have an uncle Harold.
In any event, if he said he was a son of God, he was telling the
truth.
Robert B. Winn
 
On Mar 17, 7:13�am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > > We've heard your lame argument that "Stalin was an atheist and he killed
> > > > > millions of people" countless times before. It doesn't stand up.
> > > > > Stalin's atheism had nothing to do with his motives, he didn't kill in
> > > > > the name of atheism--unlike the nineteen hijackers.
>
> > > > Well, I think he did.
 
"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 22:20:48 +0800, in alt.atheism
> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
> <45fb10d5$0$16367$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
>>>
>>> We have no idea if any of the claims made in the gospels are true.
>>> We have no idea what Jesus actually said.
>>> We have no idea whether Jesus had anything to do with any god or not.
>>> We have no idea whether you have interpreted what is written correctly.
>>
>> Is that what you are going to use to justify your disbelief? I.e. "I
>> had
>>no idea" that almighty God exists, and actually is going to judge us all.
>
> I don't have to justify my 'disbelief'. The mere fact that you cannot
> justify your beliefs is sufficient for me not to accept your claims
> about gods or religion.
>
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) as demonstrated by Jesus
Christ on the cross of Calvary. So our God is fairly easy to "justify",
unless you have no idea what love is beyond some funny feelings in your
crotch.



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On Mar 17, 7:13?am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 16, 8:08 am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
> > > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> I'd like you to send a copy to Jesse Ventura.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > OK. ?Give me his address.
> > > > > > Robert B. Winn
>
> > > > > If you really love god, you'll look it up.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > I just don't feel inspired to do it.
>
> > > Why do you hate God?
>
> > Jesse Ventura is not God, and I do not hate him in any event.
>
> Reading comprehension really isn't your strong suit, is it?
>
> Sheesh...
>
> > If you want to give me his address, I will send him a Bible.
>
> Why don't you just put a copy in the mail and trust your God to deliver
> it to the right place?
>
> Or do you mistrust your God, as well as hating him?

As I understand it Jesse Ventura has made threats against anyone who
would send him a Bible. I was going to send him one with an
explanation that you had convinced me to do it.
Robert B. Winn
 
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:16:14 +0800, Pastor Frank wrote:

> "ZenIsWhen" <hereslooking@you.com> wrote in message
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>> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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>> On Mar 13, 5:04?am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
>>> freenorm <freen...@verizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism
>>> > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>> >> On Mar 12, 3:07?pm, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
>>> >>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism
>>> >>>> Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
>>> >>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism
>>> >>>>>> On Mar 12, 6:39?am, Elroy Willis wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism
>>> >>>>>>>> Our Father Which art in Heaven.
>>> >>>>>>> Where's heaven? Outer space?
>>> >>>>> > Where there is no sin.
>>> >>>>> So it can't possibly be on Earth, since sin is so rampant here,
>>> >>>>> right?
>>> >>>> Earth will become part of the kingdom of heaven after Jesus Christ
>>> >>>> returns and the earth is cleansed of wickedness.
>>> >>> Jesus is gonna kill people?
>>> >> Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven:
>>> >> and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble,
>>> >> and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of Hosts,
>>> >> that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
>>> >> Robert B. Winn
>>> >
>>> > If you believe that biblical bull ****!
>>>
>>> Jesus is gonna be like those who kept the ovens at the Nazi
>>> concentration camps burning. Quite a nice loving god he's got there,
>>> don't you think?
>>
>> Well, you atheists accuse God or Jesus Christ of murder every time a
>> natural event or a death of any kind takes place. The fact is,
>> though, all it would take to prevent this natural disaster would be
>> the repentance of the people. It is no different today than when
>> Jonah propesied to Ninevah, Yet forty days and Ninevah will be
>> destroyed. The people of Ninevah repented from the king on his throne
>> to the begger in the street. Ninevah was not destroyed.
>> Jonah went outside the city and prayed that he might die because his
>> prophecy did not take place.
>> Robert B. Winn
>>
>> Haven't been in touch with reality for a long time ..... huh?!?!?!
>>
> "Reality" your god? You better retract that, or atheist central is going
> to yank your number.

Oh shut up Frank.

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Pastor Frank wrote:

> "Sippuuden" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > What does any of this have to do with the evidence of God you were going
> > to produce to show that your statement, "Evidence does not work on
> > atheists' is correct?
> > Aren't you just trying to change the subject, trying to create a diversion
> > away from your inability to produce such evidence?
> >
> No matter what proof anyone presents atheists will always reject it,

Try one - I challenge you

> for
> to reject is the prime directive of their belief or disbelief system. Our
> Christian "God is love" (1 John 4 ,16) become fully manifested in Jesus
> Christ shedding His precious and innocent blood for us sinners on the cross
> of Calvary.
> Therefore we know our God and have seen Him in Jesus Christ. Only
> atheists would insist that such self-sacrificing love does not exist in
> reality. And perhaps in their "reality" it does indeed not exist.
>
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On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:25:03 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <pcednR2sCP77WG3YnZ2dnUVZ_revnZ2d@ptd.net>
>Michael Gray wrote:
>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:58:19 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>> wrote:
>> - Refer: <oumdnZlvocZvCW3YnZ2dnUVZ_ujinZ2d@ptd.net>
>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:18:20 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> - Refer: <P8ydnfZCSKse4G3YnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:45:50 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> - Refer: <QJWdnVzGDdRYxG3YnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:50:43 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> - Refer: <upadnfHJF_WXC3LYnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:35:26 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <yumdnbGnWIeDo3LYnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> con-artist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which god?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any?
>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God?
>>>>>>>>>> As familiar as I am with Sherlock Holmes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How do you know it does not exist?
>>>>>>>> What "it" are you referring to, child?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are a vicously retarded
>>>>>>>> infantile illiterate, who is wilfully ignorant to a truly astounding
>>>>>>>> extent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you supply me with some minimal evidence to show that such a
>>>>>>>> conclusion is unwarranted?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I read philosophy and law.
>>>>>>> How about you?
>>>>>> 1) You are anonymous, so that assertion is baseless.
>>>>>> 2) Qualifications are not evidence in refutation of my assertion.
>>>>>> 3) What have my qualifications got to do with my human ability to
>>>>>> judge your maturity, literacy and ignorance, as displayed in your
>>>>>> posts here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uou confirm my dianosis with every illogical retort.
>>>>>> Your responses are all logical fallacies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, I see that you are a philosopher.
>>>>>> No ****ing wonder you cannot employ logic or reason!
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a student of Dao and Zen.
>>>> A Zen philoso-wanker.
>>>> Now I understand why you are a babbling incoherent woo-woo
>>>> mental-cripple.
>>>>
>>>>> What makes you think logic is reasonable?
>>>> It works.
>>>>
>>> Are you always logical and reasonable?
>>
>> Not always.
>> Especially when I am being annoyed by pointlessly disconnected
>> chakra-babble from an infant-school philosopher.
>>
>> You never did answer my question as to whether or not you were lying
>> when you implied that you are an atheist.
>> But then again, I do not expect to get any form of reality or honesty
>> from you.
>> I see that you have not disappointed me in that respect.
>>
>> I think that I have got better things to do than engage in a battle of
>> wits with an unarmed opponent.
>>
>
>Unlike some clueless people,
>I don't feel the need to answer
>all questions once and for all.
>
>Things change.
>People change.
>Knowledge increases.
>Science gets better.
>Even theology advances.
>
>You would feel a lot better
>once you learn to live with uncertainty.
>
>Do you know when you are going to die?

I find this is very scary, when put in to context with your obsessive
stalking of me.

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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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> "Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
>>> On Mar 16, 8:08 am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
>>> > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > > > >> I'd like you to send a copy to Jesse Ventura.- Hide quoted
>>> > > > >> text -
>>> >
>>> > > > > OK. ?Give me his address.
>>> > > > > Robert B. Winn
>>> >
>>> > > > If you really love god, you'll look it up.- Hide quoted text -
>>> >
>>> > > I just don't feel inspired to do it.
>>> >
>>> > Why do you hate God?
>>>
>>> Jesse Ventura is not God, and I do not hate him in any event.
>>
>> Reading comprehension really isn't your strong suit, is it?
>> Sheesh...
>>
>>> If you want to give me his address, I will send him a Bible.
>>
>> Why don't you just put a copy in the mail and trust your God to deliver
>> it to the right place?
>> Or do you mistrust your God, as well as hating him?
>>
> Only atheists "hate", trash and flame.

Bwahahahaaaaaa.... fanatical zealous christians not only hate trash and
flame ... they also lie.
 
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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> "ZenIsWhen" <hereslooking@you.com> wrote in message
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>> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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>> On Mar 13, 5:04?am, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
>>> freenorm <freen...@verizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism
>>> > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>> >> On Mar 12, 3:07?pm, Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
>>> >>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism
>>> >>>> Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
>>> >>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism
>>> >>>>>> On Mar 12, 6:39?am, Elroy Willis wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism
>>> >>>>>>>> Our Father Which art in Heaven.
>>> >>>>>>> Where's heaven? Outer space?
>>> >>>>> > Where there is no sin.
>>> >>>>> So it can't possibly be on Earth, since sin is so rampant here,
>>> >>>>> right?
>>> >>>> Earth will become part of the kingdom of heaven after Jesus Christ
>>> >>>> returns and the earth is cleansed of wickedness.
>>> >>> Jesus is gonna kill people?
>>> >> Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven:
>>> >> and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble,
>>> >> and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of Hosts,
>>> >> that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
>>> >> Robert B. Winn
>>> >
>>> > If you believe that biblical bull ****!
>>>
>>> Jesus is gonna be like those who kept the ovens at the Nazi
>>> concentration camps burning. Quite a nice loving god he's got there,
>>> don't you think?
>>
>> Well, you atheists accuse God or Jesus Christ of murder every time a
>> natural event or a death of any kind takes place. The fact is,
>> though, all it would take to prevent this natural disaster would be
>> the repentance of the people. It is no different today than when
>> Jonah propesied to Ninevah, Yet forty days and Ninevah will be
>> destroyed. The people of Ninevah repented from the king on his throne
>> to the begger in the street. Ninevah was not destroyed.
>> Jonah went outside the city and prayed that he might die because his
>> prophecy did not take place.
>> Robert B. Winn
>>
>> Haven't been in touch with reality for a long time ..... huh?!?!?!
>>
> "Reality" your god? You better retract that, or atheist central is
> going to yank your number.

Reality is reality, not a "god".
Who ever said I was an atheist?
The only thing you know for sure is I am "anti-moron zealot Frank".
 
Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in alt.atheism

> Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
>> Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in alt.atheism
>>> Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
>>>> rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism

>>>>> You don't have to figure it out. The example of how to pray was given
>>>>> by Jesus Christ. It starts, Our Father Which art in Heaven.

>>>> Where's heaven? Outer space?

>>> Why would you ask such a dumb question for which the answer is right
>>> there in the NT Bible? See below. "outer space" indeed. that only goes to
>>> confirm that the god of atheist definition is some comic book character,
>>> a la Galacticus the devourer of worlds, or Odin of Valhalla, all of which
>>> OBVIOUSLY don't exist.

>>> Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
>>> the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom
>>> of God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
>>> there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."

>> The Bible says Jesus ascended up into heaven, not inside people's
>> bodies. He's supposed to be sitting at the right hand of his father
>> up in heaven, on a throne. For every verse you come up with which
>> says heaven is inside people's bodies, I can come up with one which
>> says it's up in the sky, among the stars.

> Jesus resurrected in everyone's heart and mind, only atheists make an
> effort to ignore Him. Therefore the entire process takes place within you,
> and not up thar in the sky.

I thought the Bible says he resurrected as a real person and walked
around town to show people he wasn't really dead.

--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
 
Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in alt.atheism

> Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
>> rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism
>>> Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism
>>>>> Elroy Willis <elroywil...@swbell.net> wrote:

>>>>>> Jesus is gonna kill people?

>>>>> Malachi 4:1 or, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven:
>>>>> and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble,
>>>>> and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of Hosts,
>>>>> that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

>>>> So Jesus is gonna burn up all the bad people?

> Burning up like that will suit your just fine.

So it's true, Jesus does burn people. Who restores their flesh so it
can burn again? Jesus? Or is that Satan's job while Jesus watches?


--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
 
Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in alt.atheism

> Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message

>> Jesus is gonna be like those who kept the ovens at the Nazi
>> concentration camps burning. Quite a nice loving god he's got there,
>> don't you think?

> God does His loving through loving and caring people.

Like through priests who love little choir boys?

--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
 
Michael Gray wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:25:03 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
> wrote:
> - Refer: <pcednR2sCP77WG3YnZ2dnUVZ_revnZ2d@ptd.net>
>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:58:19 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> - Refer: <oumdnZlvocZvCW3YnZ2dnUVZ_ujinZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:18:20 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> - Refer: <P8ydnfZCSKse4G3YnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:45:50 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> - Refer: <QJWdnVzGDdRYxG3YnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:50:43 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <upadnfHJF_WXC3LYnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:35:26 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <yumdnbGnWIeDo3LYnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> con-artist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which god?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God?
>>>>>>>>>>> As familiar as I am with Sherlock Holmes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How do you know it does not exist?
>>>>>>>>> What "it" are you referring to, child?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are a vicously retarded
>>>>>>>>> infantile illiterate, who is wilfully ignorant to a truly astounding
>>>>>>>>> extent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can you supply me with some minimal evidence to show that such a
>>>>>>>>> conclusion is unwarranted?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I read philosophy and law.
>>>>>>>> How about you?
>>>>>>> 1) You are anonymous, so that assertion is baseless.
>>>>>>> 2) Qualifications are not evidence in refutation of my assertion.
>>>>>>> 3) What have my qualifications got to do with my human ability to
>>>>>>> judge your maturity, literacy and ignorance, as displayed in your
>>>>>>> posts here?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uou confirm my dianosis with every illogical retort.
>>>>>>> Your responses are all logical fallacies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, I see that you are a philosopher.
>>>>>>> No ****ing wonder you cannot employ logic or reason!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm a student of Dao and Zen.
>>>>> A Zen philoso-wanker.
>>>>> Now I understand why you are a babbling incoherent woo-woo
>>>>> mental-cripple.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What makes you think logic is reasonable?
>>>>> It works.
>>>>>
>>>> Are you always logical and reasonable?
>>> Not always.
>>> Especially when I am being annoyed by pointlessly disconnected
>>> chakra-babble from an infant-school philosopher.
>>>
>>> You never did answer my question as to whether or not you were lying
>>> when you implied that you are an atheist.
>>> But then again, I do not expect to get any form of reality or honesty
>>> from you.
>>> I see that you have not disappointed me in that respect.
>>>
>>> I think that I have got better things to do than engage in a battle of
>>> wits with an unarmed opponent.
>>>
>> Unlike some clueless people,
>> I don't feel the need to answer
>> all questions once and for all.
>>
>> Things change.
>> People change.
>> Knowledge increases.
>> Science gets better.
>> Even theology advances.
>>
>> You would feel a lot better
>> once you learn to live with uncertainty.
>>
>> Do you know when you are going to die?
>
> I find this is very scary, when put in to context with your obsessive
> stalking of me.
>
> --


If anything happens to me or my family
because you have posted here certain name and address,
you will be criminally responsible for it.

Happy now?

Better start praying
for the safety of me and my family now.

--
~Stumper
 
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:09:04 +0000, Elroy Willis wrote:

> Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in alt.atheism
>
>> Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
>>> Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in alt.atheism
>>>> Elroy Willis <elroywillis@swbell.net> wrote in message
>>>>> rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in alt.atheism
>
>>>>>> You don't have to figure it out. The example of how to pray was given
>>>>>> by Jesus Christ. It starts, Our Father Which art in Heaven.
>
>>>>> Where's heaven? Outer space?
>
>>>> Why would you ask such a dumb question for which the answer is right
>>>> there in the NT Bible? See below. "outer space" indeed. that only goes to
>>>> confirm that the god of atheist definition is some comic book character,
>>>> a la Galacticus the devourer of worlds, or Odin of Valhalla, all of which
>>>> OBVIOUSLY don't exist.
>
>>>> Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
>>>> the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom
>>>> of God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
>>>> there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."
>
>>> The Bible says Jesus ascended up into heaven, not inside people's
>>> bodies. He's supposed to be sitting at the right hand of his father
>>> up in heaven, on a throne. For every verse you come up with which
>>> says heaven is inside people's bodies, I can come up with one which
>>> says it's up in the sky, among the stars.
>
>> Jesus resurrected in everyone's heart and mind, only atheists make an
>> effort to ignore Him. Therefore the entire process takes place within you,
>> and not up thar in the sky.
>
> I thought the Bible says he resurrected as a real person and walked
> around town to show people he wasn't really dead.

Not according to Plastic Fake. But then, we've all known for some time he
doesn't believe in god, he just, you know, fakes it...

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
 

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