NO EVIDENCE OF GODS

JessHC wrote:
> stumper wrote:
>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:44:17 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> - Refer: <QJWdnV3GDdT1xG3YnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:00:35 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> - Refer: <75WdnXqXUp7BBXLYnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:36:27 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> - Refer: <kLSdncz2_8r-0XLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> con-artist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which god?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God?
>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you ask?
>>>>>>>>>> Just wondering how he can be so certain that the Christian God does not exist.
>>>>>>>>> The exact same way you can be so certain Zeus doesn't exist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you know what it means
>>>>>>>> for someone to believe in God?
>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>> It is the same as any belief that is not supported by a scrap of
>>>>>>> evidence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the evidence for "(-2)(-3) = 6"?
>>>>>> What is the evidence for "Matter is in space and time"?
>>>>> How do those utterly facile questions justify your irrational belief
>>>>> in one god out of an infinite possible selection?
>>>>>
>>>> Who said I believe in any god?
>>> I did.
>>> Are you claiming that you are atheist?
>>> Your question: "Are you familiar with the Christian God?" strongly
>>> implies, (if not outright assumes), the clear existence of an existent
>>> "god".
>>> Were you mistaken?
>>>
>>>> Do you even know what it is?
>>> Yes, I just explained it above.
>>> It is a mental concept retained in spite of all evidence.
>>>
>>> Will you hurry up and get to the point, if you (indeed) have one?
>>>
>> Gods are something you cannot understand with words.
>
> There's a handy cop-out.
>
>> Rather like Nothingness to some.
>
> Or not.
>
>> I have no way of knowing
>> whether such a thing exists or not.
>
> Then why bother?
>

Exactly.

Don't you have better things to do
than telling people what to believe or not?

--
~Stumper
 
JessHC wrote:
> Pastor Frank wrote:
>> "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
>> news:45EC97CA.50C9@armory.com...
>>> Pastor Frank wrote:
>>>> "Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>>>> news:sg2ju29v8q0tho940jn1a3e6d73dbcfpcg@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 12:46:07 +0800, in alt.atheism
>>>>> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
>>>>> <45e8f9fe$0$16381$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
>>>>>> "Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:croeu25amqqusj8b7cv0qcff7tul8hho4e@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> Apparently you are a bot of very little memory. If you had any memory
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> all, you would know that you had already tried this lie on me and
>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>> pointed out that I own a number of Bibles and have read it through.
>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>> would also remember that the Bible does not qualify as evidence in
>>>>>>> support of the claim that gods exist. It is no more evidence than any
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the other religious and religiously-inspired books. Many people, some
>>>>>>> just for kicks, have written religious texts. None are supported by
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> evidence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> There you go again specifying that a God to exists, he must be
>>>>>> evidenced
>>>>>> to your specifications and approval. There is no such requirement. It's
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> free country and everyone can regard anything or anyone as their god,
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> matter whether abstract or concrete.
>>>>> Go ahead, define any god and show the evidence for his existence. You
>>>>> will either end up with a trivially true god, e.g. god is the universe,
>>>>> or a god unsupported by the evidence, e.g. the god defined in the
>>>>> Nicene
>>>>> Creed.
>>>>> Feel free to avoid false equivocation however. You don't get to invent
>>>>> one definition for god to show that evidence exists for it and then
>>>>> redefine god to claim that an afterlife exists.
>>>>>
>>>> What's with the specifications? Did I not just say, that atheists
>>>> want
>>>> us have our God approved by them before we believe in Him?
>>> ----------------------------
>>> And erroneously as well! Atheists want nothing to do with your
>>> fantasies.
>>> Steve
>>>
>> I see. You just can't help yourself.
>
> You don't see; you can barely read, and virtually everything you
> regurgitate is a lie. Atheists don't define gods. Why would they?
> That's the theists' job. We just point out the contradictions in
> their definitions.
>

What makes you think
God should not contradict
your idea of logic?

Did you make the universe?

--
~Stumper
 
On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:35:02 +0800, in alt.atheism
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
<45f0218b$0$5559$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
>"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>news:76apu2dcv4g76lm7bvpke9k37eleu1n00q@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:35:09 +0800, in alt.atheism
>> "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
>> <45eb800b$0$30102$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Are we seeing an atheist acknowledging gods, whether real or
>>>>>representational etc. or not? You better be careful, or atheist central
>>>>>will be yanking your number.
>>>>
>>>> I acknowledge that people claim gods exist. I am completely open to
>>>> evidence to show that any god does exist. So far, no one, except 'Richo'
>>>> in <1172814337.257713.200830@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> in the Define
>>>> "God" thread, is willing to state that gods are nothing more than what
>>>> people worship as gods. If you want to define gods as nothing more than
>>>> that, I cannot argue with you. If God is only love for you, but has no
>>>> actual power, I cannot argue with you. I will consider you silly, but
>>>> nothing else.
>>>
>>> "Actual power"? You must be kidding. Don't you know amor vincit omnia?
>>>Show me something that has more power than love.
>>
>> I didn't realize that you worshipped Aphrodite.
>>
> What a stupid remark!!!! You know very well, that Aphrodite represents
>lust, not love and didn't bother to die for anyone she loved. In fact such a
>woman will cause her lovers to fight over her and invariably amble off with
>the winner, caring nothing about the vanquished.

You are the one who makes things up about the god you worship and then
gets upset when people point out what was done. By the way, if you knew
something about Aphrodite, you would know that she was not merely a
goddess of lust. You are the one who insists that the god you worship is
only love. Clearly you do not worship the God of Christianity which is
far more complexly described than your simplistic god.

> Christ laid down His innocent life for us sinners, ...for the love of
>us, and BEFORE we were sufficiently perfect to deserve His love.

What does that have to do with your god. You don't worship the God of
Abraham or Jesus.
 
On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:54:01 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <oumdnZ5vocZnDm3YnZ2dnUVZ_uiknZ2d@ptd.net>
>Michael Gray wrote:
>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:15:21 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>> wrote:
>> - Refer: <P8ydnfdCSKtN4W3YnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@ptd.net>
>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:44:17 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> - Refer: <QJWdnV3GDdT1xG3YnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:00:35 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> - Refer: <75WdnXqXUp7BBXLYnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:36:27 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> - Refer: <kLSdncz2_8r-0XLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> con-artist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which god?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you ask?
>>>>>>>>>>> Just wondering how he can be so certain that the Christian God does not exist.
>>>>>>>>>> The exact same way you can be so certain Zeus doesn't exist.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you know what it means
>>>>>>>>> for someone to believe in God?
>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>> It is the same as any belief that is not supported by a scrap of
>>>>>>>> evidence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is the evidence for "(-2)(-3) = 6"?
>>>>>>> What is the evidence for "Matter is in space and time"?
>>>>>> How do those utterly facile questions justify your irrational belief
>>>>>> in one god out of an infinite possible selection?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Who said I believe in any god?
>>>> I did.
>>>> Are you claiming that you are atheist?
>>>> Your question: "Are you familiar with the Christian God?" strongly
>>>> implies, (if not outright assumes), the clear existence of an existent
>>>> "god".
>>>> Were you mistaken?
>>>>
>>>>> Do you even know what it is?
>>>> Yes, I just explained it above.
>>>> It is a mental concept retained in spite of all evidence.
>>>>
>>>> Will you hurry up and get to the point, if you (indeed) have one?
>>>>
>>> Gods are something you cannot understand with words.
>>
>> What?!
>> So, you do believe that they exist, and you cannot describe
>> them?!?!?
>>
>> Sheesh. Gimme a break.
>> I've had enough badgering incoherent loonies for one week.
>>
>> You were lying when you implied that you were atheist.

No response to this plain fact, I note.

>>> Rather like Nothingness to some.
>>
>> Meaningless gobbldegook.
>>
>>> I have no way of knowing
>>> whether such a thing exists or not.
>>
>> That is your problem, not mine.
>>
>
>You seem to be certain about things
>you cannot possibly be certain about.

You seem to be absolutely certain about that.
Google: Pot, Kettle, and Black.

>Is Nothingness meaningless?
>http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nothingness/

What does that have to with your meaningless phrase:
"Rather like Nothingness to some."??
(Apart from more philosophical bullshit, that is.)

Just what is your goal here?
You are like an intellectual mosquito.
Distracting, mildly annoying, a completely useless parasite, and when
any light is shone on the subject, you are nowhere to be seen.

--
 
On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:19:03 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <qpidncF4Ga5TBG3YnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@ptd.net>
>JessHC wrote:
>> stumper wrote:
>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:15:21 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> - Refer: <P8ydnfdCSKtN4W3YnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:44:17 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> - Refer: <QJWdnV3GDdT1xG3YnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:00:35 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> - Refer: <75WdnXqXUp7BBXLYnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:36:27 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <kLSdncz2_8r-0XLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> con-artist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which god?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you ask?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just wondering how he can be so certain that the Christian God does not exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The exact same way you can be so certain Zeus doesn't exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know what it means
>>>>>>>>>>> for someone to believe in God?
>>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>>> It is the same as any belief that is not supported by a scrap of
>>>>>>>>>> evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is the evidence for "(-2)(-3) = 6"?
>>>>>>>>> What is the evidence for "Matter is in space and time"?
>>>>>>>> How do those utterly facile questions justify your irrational belief
>>>>>>>> in one god out of an infinite possible selection?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who said I believe in any god?
>>>>>> I did.
>>>>>> Are you claiming that you are atheist?
>>>>>> Your question: "Are you familiar with the Christian God?" strongly
>>>>>> implies, (if not outright assumes), the clear existence of an existent
>>>>>> "god".
>>>>>> Were you mistaken?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you even know what it is?
>>>>>> Yes, I just explained it above.
>>>>>> It is a mental concept retained in spite of all evidence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will you hurry up and get to the point, if you (indeed) have one?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Gods are something you cannot understand with words.
>>>> What?!
>>>> So, you do believe that they exist, and you cannot describe
>>>> them?!?!?
>>>>
>>>> Sheesh. Gimme a break.
>>>> I've had enough badgering incoherent loonies for one week.
>>>>
>>>> You were lying when you implied that you were atheist.
>>>>
>>>>> Rather like Nothingness to some.
>>>> Meaningless gobbldegook.
>>>>
>>>>> I have no way of knowing
>>>>> whether such a thing exists or not.
>>>> That is your problem, not mine.
>>> You seem to be certain about things
>>> you cannot possibly be certain about.
>>
>> Until you actually present actual evidence, there's no reason to
>> bother considering your ravings as anything other than ravings.
>>
>
>How do you know that you exist?
>Do you even know what you are?

****ing idiot.

I was right:
You are an annoying and pointless wanker.

--
 
On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:58:19 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <oumdnZlvocZvCW3YnZ2dnUVZ_ujinZ2d@ptd.net>
>Michael Gray wrote:
>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:18:20 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>> wrote:
>> - Refer: <P8ydnfZCSKse4G3YnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@ptd.net>
>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:45:50 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> - Refer: <QJWdnVzGDdRYxG3YnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:50:43 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> - Refer: <upadnfHJF_WXC3LYnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:35:26 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> - Refer: <yumdnbGnWIeDo3LYnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> con-artist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which god?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any?
>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God?
>>>>>>>> As familiar as I am with Sherlock Holmes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How do you know it does not exist?
>>>>>> What "it" are you referring to, child?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are a vicously retarded
>>>>>> infantile illiterate, who is wilfully ignorant to a truly astounding
>>>>>> extent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you supply me with some minimal evidence to show that such a
>>>>>> conclusion is unwarranted?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I read philosophy and law.
>>>>> How about you?
>>>> 1) You are anonymous, so that assertion is baseless.
>>>> 2) Qualifications are not evidence in refutation of my assertion.
>>>> 3) What have my qualifications got to do with my human ability to
>>>> judge your maturity, literacy and ignorance, as displayed in your
>>>> posts here?
>>>>
>>>> Uou confirm my dianosis with every illogical retort.
>>>> Your responses are all logical fallacies.
>>>>
>>>> But, I see that you are a philosopher.
>>>> No ****ing wonder you cannot employ logic or reason!
>>>>
>>> I'm a student of Dao and Zen.
>>
>> A Zen philoso-wanker.
>> Now I understand why you are a babbling incoherent woo-woo
>> mental-cripple.
>>
>>> What makes you think logic is reasonable?
>>
>> It works.
>>
>
>Are you always logical and reasonable?

Not always.
Especially when I am being annoyed by pointlessly disconnected
chakra-babble from an infant-school philosopher.

You never did answer my question as to whether or not you were lying
when you implied that you are an atheist.
But then again, I do not expect to get any form of reality or honesty
from you.
I see that you have not disappointed me in that respect.

I think that I have got better things to do than engage in a battle of
wits with an unarmed opponent.

--
 
Michael Gray wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:54:01 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
> wrote:
> - Refer: <oumdnZ5vocZnDm3YnZ2dnUVZ_uiknZ2d@ptd.net>
>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:15:21 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> - Refer: <P8ydnfdCSKtN4W3YnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:44:17 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> - Refer: <QJWdnV3GDdT1xG3YnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:00:35 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> - Refer: <75WdnXqXUp7BBXLYnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:36:27 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <kLSdncz2_8r-0XLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> con-artist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which god?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you ask?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just wondering how he can be so certain that the Christian God does not exist.
>>>>>>>>>>> The exact same way you can be so certain Zeus doesn't exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you know what it means
>>>>>>>>>> for someone to believe in God?
>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>> It is the same as any belief that is not supported by a scrap of
>>>>>>>>> evidence.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is the evidence for "(-2)(-3) = 6"?
>>>>>>>> What is the evidence for "Matter is in space and time"?
>>>>>>> How do those utterly facile questions justify your irrational belief
>>>>>>> in one god out of an infinite possible selection?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who said I believe in any god?
>>>>> I did.
>>>>> Are you claiming that you are atheist?
>>>>> Your question: "Are you familiar with the Christian God?" strongly
>>>>> implies, (if not outright assumes), the clear existence of an existent
>>>>> "god".
>>>>> Were you mistaken?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you even know what it is?
>>>>> Yes, I just explained it above.
>>>>> It is a mental concept retained in spite of all evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will you hurry up and get to the point, if you (indeed) have one?
>>>>>
>>>> Gods are something you cannot understand with words.
>>> What?!
>>> So, you do believe that they exist, and you cannot describe
>>> them?!?!?
>>>
>>> Sheesh. Gimme a break.
>>> I've had enough badgering incoherent loonies for one week.
>>>
>>> You were lying when you implied that you were atheist.
>
> No response to this plain fact, I note.
>
>>>> Rather like Nothingness to some.
>>> Meaningless gobbldegook.
>>>
>>>> I have no way of knowing
>>>> whether such a thing exists or not.
>>> That is your problem, not mine.
>>>
>> You seem to be certain about things
>> you cannot possibly be certain about.
>
> You seem to be absolutely certain about that.
> Google: Pot, Kettle, and Black.
>
>> Is Nothingness meaningless?
>> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nothingness/
>
> What does that have to with your meaningless phrase:
> "Rather like Nothingness to some."??
> (Apart from more philosophical bullshit, that is.)
>
> Just what is your goal here?
> You are like an intellectual mosquito.
> Distracting, mildly annoying, a completely useless parasite, and when
> any light is shone on the subject, you are nowhere to be seen.
>

I'm here to lessen
the needless suffering of some people.

What is your issue?

--
~Stumper
 
Michael Gray wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:19:03 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
> wrote:
> - Refer: <qpidncF4Ga5TBG3YnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@ptd.net>
>> JessHC wrote:
>>> stumper wrote:
>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:15:21 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> - Refer: <P8ydnfdCSKtN4W3YnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:44:17 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> - Refer: <QJWdnV3GDdT1xG3YnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:00:35 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <75WdnXqXUp7BBXLYnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:36:27 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <kLSdncz2_8r-0XLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> con-artist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which god?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you ask?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just wondering how he can be so certain that the Christian God does not exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The exact same way you can be so certain Zeus doesn't exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know what it means
>>>>>>>>>>>> for someone to believe in God?
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>> It is the same as any belief that is not supported by a scrap of
>>>>>>>>>>> evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What is the evidence for "(-2)(-3) = 6"?
>>>>>>>>>> What is the evidence for "Matter is in space and time"?
>>>>>>>>> How do those utterly facile questions justify your irrational belief
>>>>>>>>> in one god out of an infinite possible selection?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who said I believe in any god?
>>>>>>> I did.
>>>>>>> Are you claiming that you are atheist?
>>>>>>> Your question: "Are you familiar with the Christian God?" strongly
>>>>>>> implies, (if not outright assumes), the clear existence of an existent
>>>>>>> "god".
>>>>>>> Were you mistaken?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you even know what it is?
>>>>>>> Yes, I just explained it above.
>>>>>>> It is a mental concept retained in spite of all evidence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will you hurry up and get to the point, if you (indeed) have one?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gods are something you cannot understand with words.
>>>>> What?!
>>>>> So, you do believe that they exist, and you cannot describe
>>>>> them?!?!?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sheesh. Gimme a break.
>>>>> I've had enough badgering incoherent loonies for one week.
>>>>>
>>>>> You were lying when you implied that you were atheist.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rather like Nothingness to some.
>>>>> Meaningless gobbldegook.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no way of knowing
>>>>>> whether such a thing exists or not.
>>>>> That is your problem, not mine.
>>>> You seem to be certain about things
>>>> you cannot possibly be certain about.
>>> Until you actually present actual evidence, there's no reason to
>>> bother considering your ravings as anything other than ravings.
>>>
>> How do you know that you exist?
>> Do you even know what you are?
>
> ****ing idiot.
>
> I was right:
> You are an annoying and pointless wanker.
>

I gather you didn't read widely.
But that would not excuse your bad manners.

Is your life worth living?

--
~Stumper
 
Michael Gray wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:58:19 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
> wrote:
> - Refer: <oumdnZlvocZvCW3YnZ2dnUVZ_ujinZ2d@ptd.net>
>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:18:20 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> - Refer: <P8ydnfZCSKse4G3YnZ2dnUVZ_hzinZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:45:50 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> - Refer: <QJWdnVzGDdRYxG3YnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:50:43 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> - Refer: <upadnfHJF_WXC3LYnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:35:26 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <yumdnbGnWIeDo3LYnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> con-artist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which god?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any?
>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God?
>>>>>>>>> As familiar as I am with Sherlock Holmes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How do you know it does not exist?
>>>>>>> What "it" are you referring to, child?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are a vicously retarded
>>>>>>> infantile illiterate, who is wilfully ignorant to a truly astounding
>>>>>>> extent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you supply me with some minimal evidence to show that such a
>>>>>>> conclusion is unwarranted?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I read philosophy and law.
>>>>>> How about you?
>>>>> 1) You are anonymous, so that assertion is baseless.
>>>>> 2) Qualifications are not evidence in refutation of my assertion.
>>>>> 3) What have my qualifications got to do with my human ability to
>>>>> judge your maturity, literacy and ignorance, as displayed in your
>>>>> posts here?
>>>>>
>>>>> Uou confirm my dianosis with every illogical retort.
>>>>> Your responses are all logical fallacies.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, I see that you are a philosopher.
>>>>> No ****ing wonder you cannot employ logic or reason!
>>>>>
>>>> I'm a student of Dao and Zen.
>>> A Zen philoso-wanker.
>>> Now I understand why you are a babbling incoherent woo-woo
>>> mental-cripple.
>>>
>>>> What makes you think logic is reasonable?
>>> It works.
>>>
>> Are you always logical and reasonable?
>
> Not always.
> Especially when I am being annoyed by pointlessly disconnected
> chakra-babble from an infant-school philosopher.
>
> You never did answer my question as to whether or not you were lying
> when you implied that you are an atheist.
> But then again, I do not expect to get any form of reality or honesty
> from you.
> I see that you have not disappointed me in that respect.
>
> I think that I have got better things to do than engage in a battle of
> wits with an unarmed opponent.
>

Unlike some clueless people,
I don't feel the need to answer
all questions once and for all.

Things change.
People change.
Knowledge increases.
Science gets better.
Even theology advances.

You would feel a lot better
once you learn to live with uncertainty.

Do you know when you are going to die?

--
~Stumper
 
On Mar 7, 9:29�pm, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > Any time atheists get too pushy, I quote some verses from Isaiah.
 
On Mar 8, 2:39�am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:23:22 -0800, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
> wrote:
>
 
On Mar 8, 4:08?am, "ZenIsWhen" <onesmalls...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1173322420.878055.7950@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 7, 6:24?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
>
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Mar 6, 11:06?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > > > On 6 Mar 2007 14:32:53 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > ? - Refer: <1173220373.586251.210...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>
> > > > >So you think it's a good idea to deliberately disobey orders straight
> > > > >from your deity. ?How's that working out for you?
>
> > > > The nurses tighten his jacket straps tomorrow.
>
> > > Well, here we have people from medical science claiming to be my
> > > diety. Atheists are nothing if not inventive.
>
> > That's an unfortunate comprehension problem you've got. Too much
> > medication, or not enough?
>
> I am fairly good at staying away from medical science.
> Robert B. Winn
>
> and, obviously, your much needed psychiatrists

Well, you may believe that you need a psychiatrist, but don't place
the blame on me for that particular atheistic deception. I do not
have any psychiatrists.
Robert B. Winn
 
On Mar 8, 8:06?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 7, 12:09?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:53:34 -0800, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (ScottRichter) wrote:
>
> > > ? - Refer: <1hukpsp.1pxrmuu1t335k3N%scottrichter...@yahoo.com>
>
> > > >rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > Why don't you explain it to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the
> > > >> > > earth?
>
> > > >> > That's so adorable! You think some guy who lived 2000 years ago (if he
> > > >> > existed at all) is going to "return to judge the earth"? It's just too
> > > >> > cute for words!
>
> > > >> > No, wait... You're an ADULT, right? Hmmm, scratch what I said, it's not
> > > >> > cute at all, it's just ridiculous.
>
> > > >> Well, Scot, I would not be the one to discuss your idea with. ?Why
> > > >> don't you take an opportunity to discuss it with Jesus Christ after he
> > > >> returns to judge the earth?
>
> > > >Like I said, a grown man saying these things: ridiculous.
>
> > > >Here's a tip, Skippy. For a threat to work, the person at whom the
> > > >threat is directed has to believe the threat is real. Otherwise, you
> > > >come across like a four year old child trying to scare his parents by
> > > >claiming a monster is in the closet.
>
> > > >Does any of this make sense to you?
>
> > > Too many big words.
> > > Too much threatening reality.
> > > Too much sanity for pathetic little Bobby.
>
> > I have never seen an atheist say anything that had much meaning.
>
> That's the sad result of your inability to interact with reality.
>
> > Now, Isaiah was a person who could make meaningful statements.
>
> As is this statement.-

Well, compare your statement with one from Isaiah.
Isaiah 5:16 But the Lord of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, and
God that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness.
Robert B. Winn
 
On Mar 8, 8:07?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 7, 4:25?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Theists are also inventive. ?Can you deny that theist invented god!
>
> > God is eternal.
>
> Unsupported assertion.

Wrong. God sent his Only Begotten Son.
Robert B. Winn
 
On Mar 8, 8:08�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 7, 6:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Mar 7, 12:10?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > > > > On 6 Mar 2007 14:52:00 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > ? - Refer: <1173221520.689544.138...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
> > > > > >Have you considered you're just making an ass of yourself?
>
> > > > > That appears to be an avowed goal of his.
>
> > > > Now why would an atheist be concerned about what my goals are?
>
> > > Because you keep defecating in alt.atheism.
>
> > > > Do atheists concern themselves with the goals of all people?
>
> > > No, just the goals of people trying to impose their religious beliefs
> > > on everyone.
>
> > As I understand it, you are saying that you are opposed to freedom of
> > speech.
>
> Golly, did I say anything even remotely like that?
 
On Mar 8, 8:16�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 7, 6:12?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Mar 7, 12:32?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> > > > > Mettas Mother wrote:
> > > > > > Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!
>
> > > > > ?>
> > > > > No evidence of absence is ever required in any case. The burden of proof
> > > > > cannot be shifted to the non-believers.
>
> > > > > The only reasonable default presumption in any case like this is the
> > > > > null, 'NO ET,' 'NO GOD' no whatever.
>
> > > > >http://www.setileague.org/articles/setihoax.htm
>
> > > > >http://www.setileague.org/editor/null.htm
>
> > > > Have you considered this verse from Isaiah?
> > > > Isaiah 4:6 ?And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the
> > > > daytime from the heat, and for a place of refuge , and for a covert
> > > > from storm , and from rain.
>
> > > Please provide a rational, legitimate reason for any atheist to
> > > consider any quote from your book of mythology as anything other than
> > > part of your mythology.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Consider it any way you want to consider it.
>
> Non-responsive.
 
On Mar 8, 8:18?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 7, 6:15?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Mar 7, 12:51?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> > > > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > > On Mar 6, 2:21?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> > > > > >> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Mar 6, 2:40 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:13:03 -0800, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
> > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>> ? - Refer: <j6SdnbyJ15LcQXHYnZ2dnUVZ_uXin...@comcast.com>
> > > > > >>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>> On Mar 5, 11:48?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>> On 4 Mar., 17:21, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >>>>>>>>news:1173018520.978855.246000@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 12:05?am, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> "Scott Richter" <scottrichter...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >>>>>>> snip
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Matthew 10:14
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Christians who do not heed this verse are in violation of the very
> > > > > >>>>>>>> faith they profess. There is no Biblical authorization to "shove ones
> > > > > >>>>>>>> religion down the throat of another person". An atheist who wants
> > > > > >>>>>>>> a defense against over-bearing proselytizers should be able to
> > > > > >>>>>>>> point to this verse as a defense
> > > > > >>>>>>> We have, and, just like you and the inane champion of the world
> > > > > >>>>>>> (little Winn), they ignore it.
> > > > > >>>>>> Well, as I told you before, that was Christ's instruction to his
> > > > > >>>>>> twelve apostles. ?I am not an apostle.
> > > > > >>>>>> I am just an ordinary person quoting verses from Isaiah.
> > > > > >>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> > > > > >>>>> Logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis:
> > > > > >>>>> "An ad hoc hypothesis is one created to explain away facts that seem to
> > > > > >>>>> refute one's theory." -- ?http://skepdic.com/adhoc.html
> > > > > >>>> One has to actually have a theory in the first place.
> > > > > >>>> Bobby has only crazed schizophrenic ramblings.
> > > > > >>> You were the ones who were trying to promote me to the position of
> > > > > >>> apostle. ?You have no authority to make any such promotion. ? I am not
> > > > > >>> being sent with the same responsibility the apostles were given. ?I
> > > > > >>> have yet to see you use any verse of the Bible in context. ?All you
> > > > > >>> ever do is take random verses and apply them according to your
> > > > > >>> interpretation.
> > > > > >>> Robert B. Winn
> > > > > >> Robert, why would you believe that you are somehow exempt from a simple
> > > > > >> instruction in your manual: to beat a speedy retreat from any place like
> > > > > >> alt dot atheism where your proselytizing is not welcome, and 'shake the
> > > > > >> dust of that place off your feet' [don't have anything further to do
> > > > > >> with it]?
>
> > > > > >> Your hypothesis that things in your manual only apply to the original
> > > > > >> twelve apostles is just the fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis. If they were
> > > > > >> to apply only to the original twelve apostles then there would be no
> > > > > >> proselytizing today, would there?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > Who told you I was proselytizing?
> > > > > > Robert B. Winn
>
> > > > > You did, Robert, when you started quoting your book of myth to us
> > > > > non-believers.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > Oh, I see, you have forbidden all people from quoting from the Bible.
>
> > > Oops. ?Lying is a sin.
>
> > > > Here is a verse from Isaiah.
> > > > Isaiah 5:1 ?Now will I sing to my well-beloved a song of my beloved
> > > > touching his vineyard. ?My well-beloved hath a vineyard in a very
> > > > fruitful hill.
> > > > Well, I have quoted from the Bible. ?How is that proselyting?
>
> > > How is it not ?
>
> > >http://209.161.33.50/dictionary/proselytize
> > > ?1 ?: to induce someone to convert to one's faith ? 2 ?: to recruit
> > > someone to join one's party, institution, or cause ? transitive
> > > verb ? : to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution,
> > > or cause
>
> > > If you aren't trying to convert anyone, what are you trying to do?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > I am just pushing back a little.
>
> Oops, sorry, that lie has been refuted.
>
> > Any time atheists get too pushy, I quote some verses from Isaiah.
>
> Baffle them with bullshit, eh?
>
> > That gets rid of most of them.
>
> Hasn't worked so far.- Hide quoted text -
>
It worked every time so far. james g. keegan lasted about two
chapters. Al Klein did not even last a chapter.
Robert B. Winn
 
On Mar 8, 8:23?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 7, 6:26?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Mar 6, 10:57?pm, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
> > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Latin is a dead language used by people who have nothing to say.
>
> > > > > > > > > Much like quoting from the Bible...
>
> > > > > > > > Well, Jesus Christ said, Search the scriptures, for in them ye think
> > > > > > > > ye have eternal life.
>
> > > > > > > You've long since proven you have nothing to say. No need to provide any
> > > > > > > more evidence, little fella...
>
> > > > > > Well, I don't need to have anything to say. ?
>
> > > > > Well, then "Mission Accomplished"...
>
> > > > Oh, I see. ?You were on a mission. ?How did that come about?
>
> > > Have one of your attendants teach you how to read.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Oh, I never read much other than Isaiah.
>
> That explains your comprehension problem.- Hide quoted text -
>
What is it that you think I do not understand?
Robert B. Winn
 
On Mar 8, 8:24?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 7, 6:27?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Mar 6, 10:53?pm, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
> > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Why don't you explain it to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the
> > > > > > > > earth?
>
> > > > > > > That's so adorable! You think some guy who lived 2000 years ago (if he
> > > > > > > existed at all) is going to "return to judge the earth"? It's just too
> > > > > > > cute for words!
>
> > > > > > > No, wait... You're an ADULT, right? Hmmm, scratch what I said, it's not
> > > > > > > cute at all, it's just ridiculous.
>
> > > > > > Well, Scot, I would not be the one to discuss your idea with. ?Why
> > > > > > don't you take an opportunity to discuss it with Jesus Christ after he
> > > > > > returns to judge the earth?
>
> > > > > Like I said, a grown man saying these things: ridiculous.
>
> > > > > Here's a tip, Skippy. For a threat to work, the person at whom the
> > > > > threat is directed has to believe the threat is real. Otherwise, you
> > > > > come across like a four year old child trying to scare his parents by
> > > > > claiming a monster is in the closet.
>
> > > > > Does any of this make sense to you?
>
> > > > Nothing any atheist has ever said to me made any sense. ?You are no
> > > > exception.
>
> > > That explains so much about you.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Enough about me, let's study this verse from Isaiah.
>
> Run and hide, Bob.- Hide quoted text -
>
Run and hide? From what?
Robert B. Winn
 
On Mar 8, 8:28�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 7, 6:31?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Mar 6, 8:40?pm, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
> > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > It's all a part of his deliberate, intentional, willful, and
> > > > > > > self-imposed ignorance.
>
> > > > > > So what is it that you claim I am ignorant of?
>
> > > > > I'd say.... almost everything.
>
> > > > > But, hey, I'm just going on what you write. Maybe you're a lot smarter
> > > > > than you sound...
>
> > > > Why does it matter how I sound to atheists?
>
> > > Two reasons I can think of off the top of my head:
>
> > > 1. ?You're posting to alt.atheism.
> > > 2. ?You aren't the only theist who thinks the way you do.
>
> > Well, those do not seem like reasons for anything to me.
>
> Of course not; you're an ill-mannered lout.
>
> > This is the United States.
>
> Maybe for you, but everybody else is on usenet.
>
> > We have freedom of speech here.
>
> You have freedom of stupidty, too; nobody said it's a good idea,
> though.
>
> > Who is the other theist you claim thinks the way I do?
>
> Pastor Frank springs to mind.
 

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