NO EVIDENCE OF GODS

[rbwinn]

On Mar 10, 5:58�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 9, 4:13?pm, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > On Mar 8, 11:20 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 8, 1:51?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > > ?[...]
> > > > > Christians all like a bribe, and respond nicely to threats.
> > > > > Perhaps if he threatens them with his eternal blather they might
> > > > > relent, just to be rid of him.
>
> > > > Isaiah is all the defense I ever need. ?I never saw an atheist yet who
> > > > could hang with Isaiah.
> > > > Robert B. Winn
>
> > > Who would want to hang with Isaiah? ?Nobody wants to hang, period.
>
> > > If Isaiah wants to hang, let him hang alone. ?That 6-wing angel
> > > already burnt his mouth to a crisp.
>
> > OK.

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 10, 6:00�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 9, 4:09?pm, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > On Mar 8, 11:10 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > ? So why am I supposed to need a Christian
>
> > > > lawyer?
> > > > Robert B. Winn
>
> > > May I suggest an atheist lawyer? ?Atheist lawyers don't suffer from
> > > delusions or superstitions, are better prepared, and won't try to
> > > "turn it over to Jeezus."
>
> > You can suggest it.

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 10, 6:00?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 9, 1:45?pm, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > On Mar 8, 3:56 pm, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > "Free Lunch" <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:ijapu2hpqemgb5942fpgn11tc5uba0t3fu@4ax.com...> On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:59:47 +0800, in alt.atheism
> > > > > "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote in
> > > > > <45ebceae$0$16281$88260...@free.teranews.com>:
>
> > > > >> ? ?You need to show at least some evidence to be taken seriously. But
> > > > >> then
> > > > >>we all get the impression you're just chanting atheist mantras again, and
> > > > >>that's all you aspire to.
>
> > > > > For someone who makes all sorts of claims without ever providing a shred
> > > > > of evidence, it's pretty rich for you to ask for evidence.
>
> > > > ? ? When will you get serious? Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16).
>
> > > No he's not. ?He stains the earth with innocent blood, scatters it
> > > with poverty, starvation, war, famine, disease, and ruin; sacrifices
> > > virgins for his own sadistic blood lust; demands on pain of blood
> > > curses that he be loved and worshiped; shows his ass to Moses; shows
> > > his face, his UFO and his angels to Isaiah; invests his powers in
> > > clergy who rape, steal, murder and pillage; and giggles while David (a
> > > man after God's own heart) commits premeditated murder and steals
> > > another man's wife, estate, and vineyards.
>
> > > Oh, and did I mention he (after getting the idea from pagan gods who
> > > raped mortals and begat babies on them) dispatched a ghost to
> > > fornicate with Mary against her will and knocked her up even though
> > > she was betrothed to Joseph.
>
> > Why don't you discuss your ideas with Jesus Christ when he returns to
> > judge the earth?
>
> Because he's imaginary.- Hide quoted text -
>
Well, he would be the one to tell your idea. Just speak right up and
tell him when he returns to judge the earth.
Robert B. Winn

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 10, 6:02�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 9, 12:12?pm, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > Well, compare your statement with one from Isaiah.
>
> > > Irrelevant.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Well, that would be your opinion.
>
> Nope.

 

[H. Wm. Esque]

"jesshc" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
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> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 6, 11:06?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
> > Well, here we have people from medical science claiming to be my diety.
>
> Where? Who said THAT?
>
> >Atheists are nothing if not inventive.

The six fundamental numbers spelled out by Martin Rees
are brute fact. How do you explain these numbers?

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 10, 6:02�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 9, 12:12?pm, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > Well, compare your statement with one from Isaiah.
>
> > > Irrelevant.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Well, that would be your opinion.
>
> Nope.

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 10, 6:03?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 9, 12:11?pm, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > > Logic is universal, bobby. ?You lose again.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > I don't remember losing anything.
>
> That happens a lot with brain damage as extensive as yours.
>
> > What do you claim I lost?
>
> Both the argument and your mind.

You sound as though you are trying to initiate a competency hearing.
Actually, you would have to present your petition to a judge in order
for it to have any meaning.
Robert B. Winn

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 10, 6:07�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 9, 12:11?pm, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Mar 8, 8:08?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > > On Mar 7, 6:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Mar 7, 12:10?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 6 Mar 2007 14:52:00 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > ? - Refer: <1173221520.689544.138...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
> > > > > > > > > >Have you considered you're just making an ass of yourself?
>
> > > > > > > > > That appears to be an avowed goal of his.
>
> > > > > > > > Now why would an atheist be concerned about what my goals are?
>
> > > > > > > Because you keep defecating in alt.atheism.
>
> > > > > > > > Do atheists concern themselves with the goals of all people?
>
> > > > > > > No, just the goals of people trying to impose their religious beliefs on everyone.
>
> > > > > > As I understand it, you are saying that you are opposed to freedom of speech.
>
> > > > > Golly, did I say anything even remotely like that? ?Nope.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > Well, I think you did.
>
> > > Then show where I did.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > OK.

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 10, 6:11�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 9, 12:11?pm, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Mar 8, 8:07?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > > > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > > On Mar 7, 4:25?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Theists are also inventive. ?Can you deny that theist invented god!
>
> > > > > > God is eternal.
>
> > > > > Unsupported assertion.
>
> > > > Wrong. ?God sent his Only Begotten Son.
>
> > > Circular argument.
>
> > It is not an argument.
>
> Yes, it is.

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 10, 6:14?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 9, 8:19?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Mar 8, 1:51?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:45:02 -0500, "Robibnikoff"<witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > ? - Refer: <55ap1eF23djd...@mid.individual.net>
>
> > > > > >"JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >news:1173304704.711023.6770@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > >> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Mar 6, 8:40?pm, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
> > > > > >>> > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>> > > > > Latin is a dead language used by people who have nothing to say.
>
> > > > > >>> > > > Much like quoting from the Bible...
>
> > > > > >>> > > Well, Jesus Christ said, Search the scriptures, for in them ye think
> > > > > >>> > > ye have eternal life.
>
> > > > > >>> > You've long since proven you have nothing to say. No need to provide
> > > > > >>> > any
> > > > > >>> > more evidence, little fella...
>
> > > > > >>> Well, I don't need to have anything to say.
>
> > > > > >> Lucky break for you.
>
> > > > > >>> I am talking to atheists.
>
> > > > > >> No, you're babbling at atheists, in an atheist newsgroup. ?Have you
> > > > > >> noticed how none of your theist buddies are coming to your defense?
>
> > > > > >They never have and I highly doubt they ever will.
>
> > > > > Christians all like a bribe, and respond nicely to threats.
> > > > > Perhaps if he threatens them with his eternal blather they might
> > > > > relent, just to be rid of him.
>
> > > > Isaiah is all the defense I ever need.
>
> > > But you aren't "defending" anything; you're just babbling. ?Babbling
> > > isn't defense.
>
> > > > I never saw an atheist yet who could hang with Isaiah.
>
> > > I think you mean "I never saw an atheist yet who didn't get bored with
> > > my pointless babbling."- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Either way, it always works.
>
> By which you mean, "It might have worked once, but who can be sure."
>
> > It is about as close to having a
> > conversation with an atheist as anyone is going to come.
>
> Demonstrably false.- Hide quoted text -
>
Well, let's see your demonstration then.
Robert B. Winn

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 10, 6:15�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 9, 8:17?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > Well, I have two of them. ?The Chinese people write to me using this
> > > > one: ?rbwi...@juno.com.
> > > > Did you know that atheists and Chinese people use the English language
> > > > in a very similar manner?
> > > > additional provide require.
>
> > > "additional provide require." ?Is that an example of Chinese, or of
> > > English?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Chinese trying to use English words.

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 10, 6:20�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 9, 7:58?am, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
> > > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > > > God is eternal.
>
> > > > > Unsupported assertion.
>
> > > > Wrong. ?God sent his Only Begotten Son.
>
> > > Let me get this straight. You claim one unsupported assertion is "wrong"
> > > by repeating ANOTHER unsupported assertion--which is completely
> > > unrelated to the first?
>
> > > Do you not hear how foolish you sound? Do you not see why no one
> > > respects your opinion? All you are doing is parroting little phrases you
> > > learned as a child.
>
> > > Sheesh...
>
> > I take it you have never read the Bible.
>
> Non sequitur.

 

[H. Wm. Esque]

"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
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> Of course there is "evidence".
> Ask any believer.
> His/her answer is evidence there is a "god" --
> created and residing inside his/her mind. -- L.
>
Martin Rees identifies six numbers that if they were
varied just a tiny little bit, there would be no universe,
no matter and no life. He calls this a brute fact . This
fine tuning implies a creator who tweaked the numbers.
In order to around this discovery, Rees conjectures
up infinite numbers of universes each with its own set
of numbers. Our universe in a sense won the lottery.
But the _simplest_ explanation for this fine tuning, is
the hand of a creator.
Thus this brute fact is hard evidence of a creator God.

 

[Scott Richter]

rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:

> > > > > God is eternal.
> >
> > > > Unsupported assertion.
> >
> > > Wrong. ?God sent his Only Begotten Son.
> >
> > Let me get this straight. You claim one unsupported assertion is "wrong"
> > by repeating ANOTHER unsupported assertion--which is completely
> > unrelated to the first?
> >
> > Do you not hear how foolish you sound? Do you not see why no one
> > respects your opinion? All you are doing is parroting little phrases you
> > learned as a child.
> >
> > Sheesh...
>
> I take it you have never read the Bible.

You take it wrong. What a surprise...


> Would you like me to send you a copy?

No, I have all I need.

 

[Scott Richter]

rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:

> Evidently your idea is that if you can convince me of something then it
> will work on Jesus Christ.

What a truly bizarre comment. You really are a Christian nutcase...

 

[Scott Richter]

rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:

> > > > > God is eternal.
> >
> > > > Unsupported assertion.
> >
> > > Wrong. ?God sent his Only Begotten Son.
> >
> > Circular argument.
>
> It is not an argument. It is a fact.

Sorry, Skippy. You're entitled to your own arguments (even circular
ones), but you're not entitled to your own facts.


> Sorry you disapprove of what God did.

No, don't blame God for YOUR failings. We disapprove of what YOU
did--parroting the same tired religious slogans and thinking they were
(1) true, (2) relevant, or (3) interesting.

 

[Scott Richter]

Pastor Frank <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

> >> There is plenty of evidence "that Jesus exists"
> >
> > Should be past tense--existed--but anyway...
> > Assuming Jesus did in fact exist long ago, how does this differ from the
> > billions of other people who existed before and after him?
> >
> Yes, isn't typical atheist to presume all people are just cloned copies
> of each other, and are undifferenciated.

No, it isn't typical at all, but it IS typical of you to make such
nonsensical statements.

Frankly, Frank, I've long since grown tired of your relentless idiocy.

Goodbye.

 

[Mettas Mother]

I asked you a simple question on how did you know that he was telling the truth. You should answer
the question instead of offering remedies!

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 10, 5:16�am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> How do you know that he was telling the truth!
>
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1173490918.699638.222590@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jesus Christ said he was Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament. He
> also has a Father.
> Robert B. Winn

Well, if you want to make an accusation that God is a liar, the best
time and place would be to present your accusation to Jesus Christ
when he returns to judge the earth.
Robert B. Winn

 

[Mettas Mother]

Clark Kent's father must be the GOD that rbwinn is referring to!

"JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
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>
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 8, 10:07?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > GOD is the SON of GOD? ?What an invention!
> >
> > Jesus Christ said he was Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament. He
> > also has a Father.
>
> Clark Kent says he's Superman, sent by his father to protect the Earth.
>

 

[Sippuuden]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 9, 1:08�am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Mar 8, 2:39?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:23:22 -0800, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> ? - Refer: <erCdnYJ9sbKWS3LYnZ2dnUVZ_trin...@comcast.com>
>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>> On 7 Mar 2007 14:43:40 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173307420.007287.59...@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7 Mar 2007 09:49:42 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173289782.480046.72...@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2:21?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Robert, why would you believe that you are somehow exempt from a simple
>>>>>>>>>>> instruction in your manual: to beat a speedy retreat from any place like
>>>>>>>>>>> alt dot atheism where your proselytizing is not welcome, and 'shake the
>>>>>>>>>>> dust of that place off your feet' [don't have anything further to do
>>>>>>>>>>> with it]?
>>>>>>>>>>> Your hypothesis that things in your manual only apply to the original
>>>>>>>>>>> twelve apostles is just the fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis. If they were
>>>>>>>>>>> to apply only to the original twelve apostles then there would be no
>>>>>>>>>>> proselytizing today, would there?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>> Who told you I was proselytizing?
>>>>>>>>> What do YOU think you're doing?
>>>>>>>> Bzzzt!
>>>>>>>> Meaningless question.
>>>>>>>> Bobby is quite incapable of thought.
>>>>>>> Point taken; I withdraw the question.
>>>>>> Objection sustained.
>>>>>> Now, what about this defence of...
>>>>>> <shuffles papers>
>>>>>> Erm "Not guilty by way of insanity"?
>>>>>> What does the defendent have to say?
>>>>>> You will stand when you address the court Mr. Winn.
>>>>>> Remove that canvas jacket from him will you, usher?
>>>>> Take off his straight jacket? I object!
>>>> The learned counsel's objection is sustained.
>>>> Mr. Winn is a clear and present danger to rationality.
>>>> The Jury will now consider it's verdict.
>>> Well, here is some more atheistic mythology. �So who do you claim has
>>> ever had a trial by jury at a sanity hearing? �
>> �>
>> It's not a real trial, moron, it is just make believe on Usenet. We are
>> just making fun of you. Can't you tell the difference? Errrm ... never
>> mind. You aren't known for your ability to tell real from make believe,
>> are you?-
>
> Well, why would I call it atheistic mythology if it was not make
> believe?
>
Atheism has no mythology, moron, "Atheism is characterized by an absence
of belief in the existence of gods." --
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html

Atheist agnostics go beyond absence of belief in the existence of gods
to unabashedly deny and repudiate, on principle, religious belief in the
existence of gods:

"That which Agnostics deny and repudiate, as immoral, is the contrary
doctrine, that there are propositions which men ought to believe,
without logically satisfactory evidence." -- Thomas Huxley, who coined
the term 'agnostic', in his excoriation of the Christian Belief,
"Agnosticism and Christianity"
http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley/CE5/Agn-X.html

"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without
evidence." -- Thomas Huxley, Evolution and Ethics