NO EVIDENCE OF GODS

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 9, 1:10?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Mar 8, 8:08?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 7, 6:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 12:10?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6 Mar 2007 14:52:00 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173221520.689544.138...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>> Have you considered you're just making an ass of yourself?
>>>>>>>> That appears to be an avowed goal of his.
>>>>>>> Now why would an atheist be concerned about what my goals are?
>>>>>> Because you keep defecating in alt.atheism.
>>>>>>> Do atheists concern themselves with the goals of all people?
>>>>>> No, just the goals of people trying to impose their religious beliefs
>>>>>> on everyone.
>>>>> As I understand it, you are saying that you are opposed to freedom of
>>>>> speech.
>>>> Golly, did I say anything even remotely like that? ?Nope.- Hide quoted text -
>>> Well, I think you did.
>> There you go again, trying to think without the proper tool.- Hide quoted text -
>>
> Actually, I had the book of Isaiah.
>

You missed this line:

Isaiah 5:18 Woe to those who draw sin along with cords of deceit

And this one:

Deuteronomy 5:20 You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
 
Paul Ransom Erickson wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:29:57 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
> wrote:
>
>> JessHC wrote:
>>> stumper wrote:
>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>> What does that have to with your meaningless phrase:
>>>>> "Rather like Nothingness to some."??
>>>>> (Apart from more philosophical bullshit, that is.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Just what is your goal here?
>>>>> You are like an intellectual mosquito.
>>>>> Distracting, mildly annoying, a completely useless parasite, and when
>>>>> any light is shone on the subject, you are nowhere to be seen.
>>>> I'm here to lessen the needless suffering of some people.
>>> Whose suffering do you think you're lessening?
>>>
>>>> What is your issue?
>>> People who think they know how to "lessen the needless suffering of
>>> some people."
>>>
>> Why don't you help them
>> instead of increasing your own suffering?
>
> Who says JessHC doesn't?
>
> It's really tiring when people decide that they are an o-so-superior
> voice of wisdom. Somebody needs to whack you upside the head with a
> staff.
>
> Who do you think you are helping here?
>


I don't need to whack others
to help them.

Do you need help?

--
~Stumper
 
Paul Ransom Erickson wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:46:49 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
> wrote:
>
>> JessHC wrote:
>>> stumper wrote:
>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>> What does that have to with your meaningless phrase:
>>>>>>> "Rather like Nothingness to some."??
>>>>>>> (Apart from more philosophical bullshit, that is.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just what is your goal here?
>>>>>>> You are like an intellectual mosquito.
>>>>>>> Distracting, mildly annoying, a completely useless parasite, and when
>>>>>>> any light is shone on the subject, you are nowhere to be seen.
>>>>>> I'm here to lessen the needless suffering of some people.
>>>>> Whose suffering do you think you're lessening?
>>> Why didn't you answer this question?
>>>
>>>>>> What is your issue?
>>>>> People who think they know how to "lessen the needless suffering of some people."
>>>> Why don't you help them
>>> Who?
>>>
>>>> instead of increasing your own suffering?
>>> Unsupported assertion.
>>>
>>
>> Are you suffering?
>
> Are _you suffering?
>


I seem to be suffering fools here!

We all can be confused sometimes.
Some of us more so than others.

Is Atheism a Christian Theology?
Are you familiar with the
 
Paul Ransom Erickson wrote:
> On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 07:14:40 +1030, Michael Gray
> <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:45:50 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>> wrote:
>> - Refer: <QJWdnVzGDdRYxG3YnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@ptd.net>
>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:50:43 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> - Refer: <upadnfHJF_WXC3LYnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:35:26 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> - Refer: <yumdnbGnWIeDo3LYnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless
>>>>>>>>>>>> con-artist.
>>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for
>>>>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> dollar.
>>>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
>>>>>>>>>> Which god?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any?
>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God?
>>>>>> As familiar as I am with Sherlock Holmes.
>>>>>>
>>>>> How do you know it does not exist?
>>>> What "it" are you referring to, child?
>>>>
>>>> I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are a vicously retarded
>>>> infantile illiterate, who is wilfully ignorant to a truly astounding
>>>> extent.
>>>>
>>>> Can you supply me with some minimal evidence to show that such a
>>>> conclusion is unwarranted?
>>>>
>>> I read philosophy and law.
>>> How about you?
>> 1) You are anonymous, so that assertion is baseless.
>> 2) Qualifications are not evidence in refutation of my assertion.
>> 3) What have my qualifications got to do with my human ability to
>> judge your maturity, literacy and ignorance, as displayed in your
>> posts here?
>>
>> Uou confirm my dianosis with every illogical retort.
>> Your responses are all logical fallacies.
>>
>> But, I see that you are a philosopher.
>> No ****ing wonder you cannot employ logic or reason!
>
> Stumper thinks that stumper is opening our eyes to vast vistas we have
> never yet imagined.
>
> Stumper thinks too much of stumper.
>


Stumper is simply humming along the highway of life.
He see some people driving with their eyes closed.
He honks as he passes them as soon as possible.

It's not easy to prove that something does not exist.
It would be a lot easier to show that
you can be kinder and gentler without relying on it.

--
~Stumper
 
jesshc wrote:
> stumper wrote:
>> JessHC wrote:
>>> stumper wrote:
>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:00:35 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> - Refer: <75WdnXqXUp7BBXLYnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:36:27 -0500, stumper
>>>>>>>>> <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> - Refer: <kLSdncz2_8r-0XLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@ptd.net>
>>>>>>>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many, many more if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a heartless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> con-artist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> single-minded pursuit of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which god?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you believe in any?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you ask?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just wondering how he can be so certain that the Christian
>>>>>>>>>>>> God does not exist.
>>>>>>>>>>> The exact same way you can be so certain Zeus doesn't exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you know what it means
>>>>>>>>>> for someone to believe in God?
>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>> It is the same as any belief that is not supported by a scrap of
>>>>>>>>> evidence.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is the evidence for "(-2)(-3) = 6"?
>>>>>>>> What is the evidence for "Matter is in space and time"?
>>>>>>> How do those utterly facile questions justify your irrational belief
>>>>>>> in one god out of an infinite possible selection?
>>>>>> Who said I believe in any god?
>>>>> Pretty much you did with your fuzzy questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you even know what it is?
>>>>> Doesn't matter. Atheists don't believe in them.
>>>> Do you believe in non-existence of God?
>>>
>>> I lack belief in deities. All of them.
>>>
>>>> Don't you have to know what it is to believe in non-existence of it?
>>>
>>> Do you know what Xzyianpoli is? Do you believe in the non-existence
>>> of it?
>>>
>>
>> I don't know what it is.
>> Therefore I have no opinion about its existence.
>>
>> Do you know what God is?
>
> I know it's something some people believe in without any objective,
> verifiable evidence. Unfortunately, no two people can actually agree on
> what it's supposed to be or do.


Are you trying to criminalize what people believe or something?

--
~Stumper
 
jesshc wrote:
> stumper wrote:
>> JessHC wrote:
>>> stumper wrote:
>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>> What does that have to with your meaningless phrase:
>>>>>>> "Rather like Nothingness to some."??
>>>>>>> (Apart from more philosophical bullshit, that is.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just what is your goal here?
>>>>>>> You are like an intellectual mosquito.
>>>>>>> Distracting, mildly annoying, a completely useless parasite, and
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> any light is shone on the subject, you are nowhere to be seen.
>>>>>> I'm here to lessen the needless suffering of some people.
>>>>> Whose suffering do you think you're lessening?
>>>
>>> Why didn't you answer this question?
>>>
>>>>>> What is your issue?
>>>>> People who think they know how to "lessen the needless suffering of
>>>>> some people."
>>>> Why don't you help them
>>>
>>> Who?
>>>
>>>> instead of increasing your own suffering?
>>>
>>> Unsupported assertion.
>>
>> Are you suffering?
>
> No.


Good for you.

Why do you feel the need
to tell people what to believe,
especially even using abusive language?

--
~Stumper
 
jesshc wrote:
> stumper wrote:
>> JessHC wrote:
>>> stumper wrote:
>>>> JessHC wrote:
>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:19:03 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> How do you know that you exist?
>>>>>>>> Do you even know what you are?
>>>>>>> ****ing idiot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was right:
>>>>>>> You are an annoying and pointless wanker.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I gather you didn't read widely.
>>>
>>> Non sequitur.
>>>
>>>>> You mean woo-woo books?
>>>
>>> Why didn't you answer this question?
>>>
>>>>>> But that would not excuse your bad manners.
>>>>> So "wide reading" is your excuse for yours?
>>>
>>> Why did you ignore this question?
>>>
>>>>>> Is your life worth living?
>>>>> Life is MORE valuable without deities.
>>>> Life is too valuable to be bothered with things you don't believe
>>>> in, unless you get paid to do so.
>>>
>>> Non sequitur.
>>>
>>>> Do you believe in anything?
>>>
>>> Not ANYTHING; SOME things.
>>>
>>
>> Is your life worth living?
>
> Yes.


Is your life worth living well?
If so, do you know how to live well?

--
~Stumper
 
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:33:30 -0500, "H. Wm. Esque"
<HEsque@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>
>"jesshc" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
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>> rbwinn wrote:
>> > On Mar 6, 11:06?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
><SNIP>
>> > Well, here we have people from medical science claiming to be my diety.
>>
>> Where? Who said THAT?
>>
>> >Atheists are nothing if not inventive.
>
>The six fundamental numbers spelled out by Martin Rees
>are brute fact. How do you explain these numbers?

Prove Rees didn't just pull those numbers out of his arse. Prove they
mean what Rees claims they mean.


>
>
 
On Mar 10, 10:34?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 9, 1:10?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Mar 8, 8:08?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Mar 7, 6:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Mar 7, 12:10?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 6 Mar 2007 14:52:00 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173221520.689544.138...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
> >>>>>>>>> Have you considered you're just making an ass of yourself?
> >>>>>>>> That appears to be an avowed goal of his.
> >>>>>>> Now why would an atheist be concerned about what my goals are?
> >>>>>> Because you keep defecating in alt.atheism.
> >>>>>>> Do atheists concern themselves with the goals of all people?
> >>>>>> No, just the goals of people trying to impose their religious beliefs
> >>>>>> on everyone.
> >>>>> As I understand it, you are saying that you are opposed to freedom of
> >>>>> speech.
> >>>> Golly, did I say anything even remotely like that? ?Nope.- Hide quoted text -
> >>> Well, I think you did.
> >> There you go again, trying to think without the proper tool.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Actually, I had the book of Isaiah.
>
> You missed this line:
>
> Isaiah 5:18 Woe to those who draw sin along with cords of deceit
>
> And this one:
>
> Deuteronomy 5:20 You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.- Hide quoted text -
>
Actually, I q
 
On Mar 10, 10:34?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 9, 1:10?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Mar 8, 8:08?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Mar 7, 6:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Mar 7, 12:10?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 6 Mar 2007 14:52:00 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173221520.689544.138...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
> >>>>>>>>> Have you considered you're just making an ass of yourself?
> >>>>>>>> That appears to be an avowed goal of his.
> >>>>>>> Now why would an atheist be concerned about what my goals are?
> >>>>>> Because you keep defecating in alt.atheism.
> >>>>>>> Do atheists concern themselves with the goals of all people?
> >>>>>> No, just the goals of people trying to impose their religious beliefs
> >>>>>> on everyone.
> >>>>> As I understand it, you are saying that you are opposed to freedom of
> >>>>> speech.
> >>>> Golly, did I say anything even remotely like that? ?Nope.- Hide quoted text -
> >>> Well, I think you did.
> >> There you go again, trying to think without the proper tool.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Actually, I had the book of Isaiah.
>
> You missed this line:
>
> Isaiah 5:18 Woe to those who draw sin along with cords of deceit
>
> And this one:
>
> Deuteronomy 5:20 You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Actually, I quoted that exact verse of Isaiah just yesterday.
Robert B. Winn
 
rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 10, 10:34?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Mar 9, 1:10?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 8, 8:08?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 6:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 12:10?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6 Mar 2007 14:52:00 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173221520.689544.138...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Have you considered you're just making an ass of yourself?
>>>>>>>>>> That appears to be an avowed goal of his.
>>>>>>>>> Now why would an atheist be concerned about what my goals are?
>>>>>>>> Because you keep defecating in alt.atheism.
>>>>>>>>> Do atheists concern themselves with the goals of all people?
>>>>>>>> No, just the goals of people trying to impose their religious beliefs
>>>>>>>> on everyone.
>>>>>>> As I understand it, you are saying that you are opposed to freedom of
>>>>>>> speech.
>>>>>> Golly, did I say anything even remotely like that? ?Nope.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> Well, I think you did.
>>>> There you go again, trying to think without the proper tool.
>>>
>>> Actually, I had the book of Isaiah.
>>
>> You missed this line:
>>
>> Isaiah 5:18 Woe to those who draw sin along with cords of deceit
>>
>> And this one:
>>
>> Deuteronomy 5:20 You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
>> ("JessHC is opposed to freedom of speech." -- Winn)
>
> Actually, I quoted that exact verse of Isaiah just yesterday.
>
Why aren't you living up to your manual?

Do you have a personal exemption from God?

Maybe this stuff only applies to people named Isaiah or Deuteronomy?

Or maybe you are Irish Catholic so you can do whatever you want, then
just go to confession after and get absolution? (I am told there's a
heavy burden of guilt involved though.)
 
rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 10, 10:34?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Mar 9, 1:10?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 8, 8:08?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 6:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 12:10?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6 Mar 2007 14:52:00 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173221520.689544.138...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Have you considered you're just making an ass of yourself?
>>>>>>>>>> That appears to be an avowed goal of his.
>>>>>>>>> Now why would an atheist be concerned about what my goals are?
>>>>>>>> Because you keep defecating in alt.atheism.
>>>>>>>>> Do atheists concern themselves with the goals of all people?
>>>>>>>> No, just the goals of people trying to impose their religious beliefs
>>>>>>>> on everyone.
>>>>>>> As I understand it, you are saying that you are opposed to freedom of
>>>>>>> speech.
>>>>>> Golly, did I say anything even remotely like that? ?Nope.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> Well, I think you did.
>>>> There you go again, trying to think without the proper tool.- Hide quoted text -
>>> Actually, I had the book of Isaiah.
>> You missed this line:
>>
>> Isaiah 5:18 Woe to those who draw sin along with cords of deceit
>>
>> And this one:
>>
>> Deuteronomy 5:20 You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.- Hide quoted text -
>>
> Actually, I q
>
What is your IQ, about 60 maybe?
 
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 10, 6:00?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Mar 9, 1:45?pm, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 8, 3:56 pm, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > > > "Free Lunch" <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
> >
> > > > >news:ijapu2hpqemgb5942fpgn11tc5uba0t3fu@4ax.com...> On Mon, 5 Mar
2007 13:59:47 +0800, in alt.atheism
> > > > > > "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote in
> > > > > > <45ebceae$0$16281$88260...@free.teranews.com>:
> >
> > > > > >> ? ?You need to show at least some evidence to be taken
seriously. But
> > > > > >> then
> > > > > >>we all get the impression you're just chanting atheist mantras
again, and
> > > > > >>that's all you aspire to.
> >
> > > > > > For someone who makes all sorts of claims without ever providing
a shred
> > > > > > of evidence, it's pretty rich for you to ask for evidence.
> >
> > > > > ? ? When will you get serious? Our Christian "God is love" (1 John
4:8,16).
> >
> > > > No he's not. ?He stains the earth with innocent blood, scatters it
> > > > with poverty, starvation, war, famine, disease, and ruin; sacrifices
> > > > virgins for his own sadistic blood lust; demands on pain of blood
> > > > curses that he be loved and worshiped; shows his ass to Moses; shows
> > > > his face, his UFO and his angels to Isaiah; invests his powers in
> > > > clergy who rape, steal, murder and pillage; and giggles while David
(a
> > > > man after God's own heart) commits premeditated murder and steals
> > > > another man's wife, estate, and vineyards.
> >
> > > > Oh, and did I mention he (after getting the idea from pagan gods who
> > > > raped mortals and begat babies on them) dispatched a ghost to
> > > > fornicate with Mary against her will and knocked her up even though
> > > > she was betrothed to Joseph.
> >
> > > Why don't you discuss your ideas with Jesus Christ when he returns to
> > > judge the earth?
> >
> > Because he's imaginary.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> Well, he would be the one to tell your idea. Just speak right up and
> tell him when he returns to judge the earth.
> Robert B. Winn
>

Your imaginary god is not going to return to earth. It isn't going to
happen!
 
"H. Wm. Esque" <HEsque@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
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> > Of course there is "evidence".
> > Ask any believer.
> > His/her answer is evidence there is a "god" --
> > created and residing inside his/her mind. -- L.
> >
> Martin Rees identifies six numbers that if they were
> varied just a tiny little bit, there would be no universe,
> no matter and no life. He calls this a brute fact . This
> fine tuning implies a creator who tweaked the numbers.
> In order to around this discovery, Rees conjectures
> up infinite numbers of universes each with its own set
> of numbers. Our universe in a sense won the lottery.
> But the _simplest_ explanation for this fine tuning, is
> the hand of a creator.
> Thus this brute fact is hard evidence of a creator God.
>
This is not evidence of anything.

What created this magnificent creator??? Oh, he always was and always will
be.

Maybe the Universe always was and always will be.
 
William Mechlenburg wrote:
> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
> news:1173537055.788478.173840@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>> On Mar 10, 6:00?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>> On Mar 9, 1:45?pm, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 8, 3:56 pm, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> "Free Lunch" <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ijapu2hpqemgb5942fpgn11tc5uba0t3fu@4ax.com...> On Mon, 5 Mar
> 2007 13:59:47 +0800, in alt.atheism
>>>>>>> "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote in
>>>>>>> <45ebceae$0$16281$88260...@free.teranews.com>:
>>>>>>>> ? ?You need to show at least some evidence to be taken
> seriously. But
>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>> we all get the impression you're just chanting atheist mantras
> again, and
>>>>>>>> that's all you aspire to.
>>>>>>> For someone who makes all sorts of claims without ever providing
> a shred
>>>>>>> of evidence, it's pretty rich for you to ask for evidence.
>>>>>> ? ? When will you get serious? Our Christian "God is love" (1 John
> 4:8,16).
>>>>> No he's not. ?He stains the earth with innocent blood, scatters it
>>>>> with poverty, starvation, war, famine, disease, and ruin; sacrifices
>>>>> virgins for his own sadistic blood lust; demands on pain of blood
>>>>> curses that he be loved and worshiped; shows his ass to Moses; shows
>>>>> his face, his UFO and his angels to Isaiah; invests his powers in
>>>>> clergy who rape, steal, murder and pillage; and giggles while David
> (a
>>>>> man after God's own heart) commits premeditated murder and steals
>>>>> another man's wife, estate, and vineyards.
>>>>> Oh, and did I mention he (after getting the idea from pagan gods who
>>>>> raped mortals and begat babies on them) dispatched a ghost to
>>>>> fornicate with Mary against her will and knocked her up even though
>>>>> she was betrothed to Joseph.
>>>> Why don't you discuss your ideas with Jesus Christ when he returns to
>>>> judge the earth?
>>> Because he's imaginary.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>> Well, he would be the one to tell your idea. Just speak right up and
>> tell him when he returns to judge the earth.
>> Robert B. Winn
>>
>
> Your imaginary god is not going to return to earth. It isn't going to
> happen!
>
>

It's just wonderful that
you can imagine God.
Can you tell us a little more
about your imaginary God?

--
~Stumper
 
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:33:30 -0500, "H. Wm. Esque"
> <HEsque@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"jesshc" <jesshc@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
> >news:wUyIh.8357$PL.240@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >> > On Mar 6, 11:06?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> ><SNIP>
> >> > Well, here we have people from medical science claiming to be my
diety.
> >>
> >> Where? Who said THAT?
> >>
> >> >Atheists are nothing if not inventive.
> >
> >The six fundamental numbers spelled out by Martin Rees
> >are brute fact. How do you explain these numbers?
>
> Prove Rees didn't just pull those numbers out of his arse. Prove they
> mean what Rees claims they mean.
>
So you've never heard anything about this topic. That's ok.
>
> >
> >
 
On Mar 10, 10:22?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 9, 1:08?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Mar 8, 2:39?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:23:22 -0800, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> ? - Refer: <erCdnYJ9sbKWS3LYnZ2dnUVZ_trin...@comcast.com>
> >>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>>>> On 7 Mar 2007 14:43:40 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173307420.007287.59...@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
> >>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 7 Mar 2007 09:49:42 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173289782.480046.72...@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>
> >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2:21?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Robert, why would you believe that you are somehow exempt from a simple
> >>>>>>>>>>> instruction in your manual: to beat a speedy retreat from any place like
> >>>>>>>>>>> alt dot atheism where your proselytizing is not welcome, and 'shake the
> >>>>>>>>>>> dust of that place off your feet' [don't have anything further to do
> >>>>>>>>>>> with it]?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Your hypothesis that things in your manual only apply to the original
> >>>>>>>>>>> twelve apostles is just the fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis. If they were
> >>>>>>>>>>> to apply only to the original twelve apostles then there would be no
> >>>>>>>>>>> proselytizing today, would there?- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>> Who told you I was proselytizing?
> >>>>>>>>> What do YOU think you're doing?
> >>>>>>>> Bzzzt!
> >>>>>>>> Meaningless question.
> >>>>>>>> Bobby is quite incapable of thought.
> >>>>>>> Point taken; I withdraw the question.
> >>>>>> Objection sustained.
> >>>>>> Now, what about this defence of...
> >>>>>> <shuffles papers>
> >>>>>> Erm "Not guilty by way of insanity"?
> >>>>>> What does the defendent have to say?
> >>>>>> You will stand when you address the court Mr. Winn.
> >>>>>> Remove that canvas jacket from him will you, usher?
> >>>>> Take off his straight jacket? I object!
> >>>> The learned counsel's objection is sustained.
> >>>> Mr. Winn is a clear and present danger to rationality.
> >>>> The Jury will now consider it's verdict.
> >>> Well, here is some more atheistic mythology. ?So who do you claim has
> >>> ever had a trial by jury at a sanity hearing? ?
> >> ?>
> >> It's not a real trial, moron, it is just make believe on Usenet. We are
> >> just making fun of you. Can't you tell the difference? Errrm ... never
> >> mind. You aren't known for your ability to tell real from make believe,
> >> are you?-
>
> > Well, why would I call it atheistic mythology if it was not make
> > believe?
>
> Atheism has no mythology, moron, "Atheism is characterized by an absence
> of belief in the existence of gods." --http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html
>
Atheism does have mythology, otherwise, why would atheists be
pretending that people are being given jury trials at sanity hearings?
Robert B. Winn
 
On Mar 10, 10:12�am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I asked you a simple question on how did you know that he was telling the truth.
 
On Mar 10, 10:13�am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Clark Kent's father must be the GOD that rbwinn is referring to!
>
> "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1173532873.100539.234580@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Mar 8, 10:07?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > GOD is the SON of GOD? ?What an invention!
>
> > > Jesus Christ said he was Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament.
 
On Mar 10, 2:10?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 10, 10:34?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Mar 9, 1:10?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Mar 8, 8:08?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Mar 7, 6:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 12:10?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 6 Mar 2007 14:52:00 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173221520.689544.138...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Have you considered you're just making an ass of yourself?
> >>>>>>>>>> That appears to be an avowed goal of his.
> >>>>>>>>> Now why would an atheist be concerned about what my goals are?
> >>>>>>>> Because you keep defecating in alt.atheism.
> >>>>>>>>> Do atheists concern themselves with the goals of all people?
> >>>>>>>> No, just the goals of people trying to impose their religious beliefs
> >>>>>>>> on everyone.
> >>>>>>> As I understand it, you are saying that you are opposed to freedom of
> >>>>>>> speech.
> >>>>>> Golly, did I say anything even remotely like that? ?Nope.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>> Well, I think you did.
> >>>> There you go again, trying to think without the proper tool.- Hide quoted text -
> >>> Actually, I had the book of Isaiah.
> >> You missed this line:
>
> >> Isaiah 5:18 Woe to those who draw sin along with cords of deceit
>
> >> And this one:
>
> >> Deuteronomy 5:20 You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Actually, I q
>
> What is your IQ, about 60 maybe?- Hide quoted text -
>
147, But that was a long time ago. I might be more intelligent now.

Robert B. Winn
 

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