NO EVIDENCE OF GODS

On Mar 10, 2:45�pm, "William Mechlenburg" <w...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote in messagenews:JPzIh.2971$nV1..2599@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
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> > "Libertarius" <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
> >news:QvKdnUc3MaTsA3HYnZ2dnUVZ_rbinZ2d@comcast.com...
> > > Of course there is "evidence".
> > > Ask any believer.
> > > His/her answer is evidence there is
 
On Mar 10, 2:59�pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
> William Mechlenburg wrote:
> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >news:1173537055.788478.173840@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Mar 10, 6:00?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> >>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>> On Mar 9, 1:45?pm, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>>>> On Mar 8, 3:56 pm, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>> "Free Lunch" <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:ijapu2hpqemgb5942fpgn11tc5uba0t3fu@4ax.com...> On Mon, 5 Mar
> > 2007 13:59:47 +0800, in alt.atheism
> >>>>>>> "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote in
> >>>>>>> <45ebceae$0$16281$88260...@free.teranews.com>:
> >>>>>>>> ? ?You need to show at least some evidence to be taken
> > seriously. But
> >>>>>>>> then
> >>>>>>>> we all get the impression you're just chanting atheist mantras
> > again, and
> >>>>>>>> that's all you aspire to.
> >>>>>>> For someone who makes all sorts of claims without ever providing
> > a shred
> >>>>>>> of evidence, it's pretty rich for you to ask for evidence.
> >>>>>> ? ? When will you get serious? Our Christian "God is love" (1 John
> > 4:8,16).
> >>>>> No he's not. ?He stains the earth with innocent blood, scatters it
> >>>>> with poverty, starvation, war, famine, disease, and ruin; sacrifices
> >>>>> virgins for his own sadistic blood lust; demands on pain of blood
> >>>>> curses that he be loved and worshiped; shows his ass to Moses; shows
> >>>>> his face, his UFO and his angels to Isaiah; invests his powers in
> >>>>> clergy who rape, steal, murder and pillage; and giggles while David
> > (a
> >>>>> man after God's own heart) commits premeditated murder and steals
> >>>>> another man's wife, estate, and vineyards.
> >>>>> Oh, and did I mention he (after getting the idea from pagan gods who
> >>>>> raped mortals and begat babies on them) dispatched a ghost to
> >>>>> fornicate with Mary against her will and knocked her up even though
> >>>>> she was betrothed to Joseph.
> >>>> Why don't you discuss your ideas with Jesus Christ when he returns to
> >>>> judge the earth?
> >>> Because he's imaginary.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> Well, he would be the one to tell your idea.
 
On 10 Mar 2007 15:02:56 -0800, in alt.atheism
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in
<1173567776.676369.66900@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
>On Mar 10, 10:22?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>> > On Mar 9, 1:08?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>> >> rbwinn wrote:
>> >>> On Mar 8, 2:39?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> >>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:23:22 -0800, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> ? - Refer: <erCdnYJ9sbKWS3LYnZ2dnUVZ_trin...@comcast.com>
>> >>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>> >>>>>> On 7 Mar 2007 14:43:40 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173307420.007287.59...@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
>> >>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> On 7 Mar 2007 09:49:42 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173289782.480046.72...@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>
>> >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2:21?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Robert, why would you believe that you are somehow exempt from a simple
>> >>>>>>>>>>> instruction in your manual: to beat a speedy retreat from any place like
>> >>>>>>>>>>> alt dot atheism where your proselytizing is not welcome, and 'shake the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> dust of that place off your feet' [don't have anything further to do
>> >>>>>>>>>>> with it]?
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Your hypothesis that things in your manual only apply to the original
>> >>>>>>>>>>> twelve apostles is just the fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis. If they were
>> >>>>>>>>>>> to apply only to the original twelve apostles then there would be no
>> >>>>>>>>>>> proselytizing today, would there?- Hide quoted text -
>> >>>>>>>>>> Who told you I was proselytizing?
>> >>>>>>>>> What do YOU think you're doing?
>> >>>>>>>> Bzzzt!
>> >>>>>>>> Meaningless question.
>> >>>>>>>> Bobby is quite incapable of thought.
>> >>>>>>> Point taken; I withdraw the question.
>> >>>>>> Objection sustained.
>> >>>>>> Now, what about this defence of...
>> >>>>>> <shuffles papers>
>> >>>>>> Erm "Not guilty by way of insanity"?
>> >>>>>> What does the defendent have to say?
>> >>>>>> You will stand when you address the court Mr. Winn.
>> >>>>>> Remove that canvas jacket from him will you, usher?
>> >>>>> Take off his straight jacket? I object!
>> >>>> The learned counsel's objection is sustained.
>> >>>> Mr. Winn is a clear and present danger to rationality.
>> >>>> The Jury will now consider it's verdict.
>> >>> Well, here is some more atheistic mythology. ?So who do you claim has
>> >>> ever had a trial by jury at a sanity hearing? ?
>> >> ?>
>> >> It's not a real trial, moron, it is just make believe on Usenet. We are
>> >> just making fun of you. Can't you tell the difference? Errrm ... never
>> >> mind. You aren't known for your ability to tell real from make believe,
>> >> are you?-
>>
>> > Well, why would I call it atheistic mythology if it was not make
>> > believe?
>>
>> Atheism has no mythology, moron, "Atheism is characterized by an absence
>> of belief in the existence of gods." --http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html
>>
>Atheism does have mythology, otherwise, why would atheists be
>pretending that people are being given jury trials at sanity hearings?
>Robert B. Winn
>
This has nothing to do with atheism, as you know.
 
On Mar 10, 6:06 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 10:12?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:> I asked you a simple question on how did you know that he was telling the truth. ?You should answer
> > the question instead of offering remedies!
>
> Well, I am not going to get involved in your idea of accusing God of
> lying. You need to do that without help from me if you are going to
> do it. I would advise you not to do it.
> Robert B. Winn

Quite the paradox. The god thingy doesn't exist and things that don't
exist can't lie. But the followers of the god thingy believe the lies
attributed to it. So, based on its non-existence, I don't think the
god thingy lies, but the things other people believe it said are lies.

So, RB. What terrible thing to you believe will happen to me? And
can you prove that it will happen? Note, if I have to wait until
after I'm dead, your proof can't be validated.
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a.a. #2273
 
rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 10, 2:59�pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
>> William Mechlenburg wrote:
>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1173537055.788478.173840@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Mar 10, 6:00?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>> On Mar 9, 1:45?pm, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 3:56 pm, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Free Lunch" <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:ijapu2hpqemgb5942fpgn11tc5uba0t3fu@4ax.com...> On Mon, 5 Mar
>>> 2007 13:59:47 +0800, in alt.atheism
>>>>>>>>> "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> <45ebceae$0$16281$88260...@free.teranews.com>:
>>>>>>>>>> ? ?You need to show at least some evidence to be taken
>>> seriously. But
>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>> we all get the impression you're just chanting atheist mantras
>>> again, and
>>>>>>>>>> that's all you aspire to.
>>>>>>>>> For someone who makes all sorts of claims without ever providing
>>> a shred
>>>>>>>>> of evidence, it's pretty rich for you to ask for evidence.
>>>>>>>> ? ? When will you get serious? Our Christian "God is love" (1 John
>>> 4:8,16).
>>>>>>> No he's not. ?He stains the earth with innocent blood, scatters it
>>>>>>> with poverty, starvation, war, famine, disease, and ruin; sacrifices
>>>>>>> virgins for his own sadistic blood lust; demands on pain of blood
>>>>>>> curses that he be loved and worshiped; shows his ass to Moses; shows
>>>>>>> his face, his UFO and his angels to Isaiah; invests his powers in
>>>>>>> clergy who rape, steal, murder and pillage; and giggles while David
>>> (a
>>>>>>> man after God's own heart) commits premeditated murder and steals
>>>>>>> another man's wife, estate, and vineyards.
>>>>>>> Oh, and did I mention he (after getting the idea from pagan gods who
>>>>>>> raped mortals and begat babies on them) dispatched a ghost to
>>>>>>> fornicate with Mary against her will and knocked her up even though
>>>>>>> she was betrothed to Joseph.
>>>>>> Why don't you discuss your ideas with Jesus Christ when he returns to
>>>>>> judge the earth?
>>>>> Because he's imaginary.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> Well, he would be the one to tell your idea. �Just speak right up and
>>>> tell him when he returns to judge the earth.
>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>> Your imaginary god is not going to return to earth. It isn't going to
>>> happen!
>> It's just wonderful that
>> you can imagine God.
>> Can you tell us a little more
>> about your imaginary God?
>>
> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?
> Robert B. Winn
>

I have seen and heard many versions.
At least some parts of them anyway.
But I'm interested in
his and your understanding of God.

Is your God male?

--
~Stumper
 
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 04:36:51 -0600, Paul Ransom Erickson
<prerickson@houston.rr.com> wrote:
- Refer: <qe25v29qjca87o5tcji3kp9pqivpmgaust@4ax.com>
>On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 07:14:40 +1030, Michael Gray
><mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

:

>>But, I see that you are a philosopher.
>>No ****ing wonder you cannot employ logic or reason!
>
>Stumper thinks that stumper is opening our eyes to vast vistas we have
>never yet imagined.
>
>Stumper thinks too much of stumper.

The very nym "stumper" reeks of puerile pretention.
As though he is able to outwit all of us from the outset.

If he is 13 years old or less, then his behaviour and attitude are
explainable.

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On 10 Mar 2007 05:21:13 -0800, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1173532873.100539.234580@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com>
>
>rbwinn wrote:
>> On Mar 8, 10:07?pm, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > GOD is the SON of GOD? ?What an invention!
>> >
>> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>> >
>> > news:1173412155.210261.253480@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Mar 8, 8:07?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
>> > > > rbwinn wrote:
>> > > > > On Mar 7, 4:25?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > Theists are also inventive. ?Can you deny that theist invented god!
>> >
>> > > > > God is eternal.
>> >
>> > > > Unsupported assertion.
>> >
>> > > Wrong. ?God sent his Only Begotten Son.
>> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -
>> >
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Jesus Christ said he was Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament. He
>> also has a Father.
>
>Clark Kent says he's Superman, sent by his father to protect the Earth.

And it is written in a Holy Comic book, too.

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On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:03:08 GMT, jesshc <jesshc@phantomemail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <wUyIh.8357$PL.240@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
>rbwinn wrote:
>> On Mar 6, 11:06?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>> On 6 Mar 2007 14:32:53 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> ? - Refer: <1173220373.586251.210...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>
>>>> So you think it's a good idea to deliberately disobey orders straight
>>> >from your deity. ?How's that working out for you?
>>>
>>> The nurses tighten his jacket straps tomorrow.
>>>
>> Well, here we have people from medical science claiming to be my diety.
>
>Where? Who said THAT?

One of the scores of voices in his addled and sick mind.

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Michael Gray wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 04:36:51 -0600, Paul Ransom Erickson
> <prerickson@houston.rr.com> wrote:
> - Refer: <qe25v29qjca87o5tcji3kp9pqivpmgaust@4ax.com>
>> On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 07:14:40 +1030, Michael Gray
>> <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> :
>
>>> But, I see that you are a philosopher.
>>> No ****ing wonder you cannot employ logic or reason!
>> Stumper thinks that stumper is opening our eyes to vast vistas we have
>> never yet imagined.
>>
>> Stumper thinks too much of stumper.
>
> The very nym "stumper" reeks of puerile pretention.
> As though he is able to outwit all of us from the outset.
>
> If he is 13 years old or less, then his behaviour and attitude are
> explainable.
>


I guess you guys can use
the Kalama Sutta as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalama_Sutta

Are you at alt.atheism?

--
~Stumper
 
On Mar 10, 2:08�pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 10, 10:34?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Mar 9, 1:10?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Mar 8, 8:08?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Mar 7, 6:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 7, 12:10?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 6 Mar 2007 14:52:00 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173221520.689544.138...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Have you considered you're just making an ass of yourself?
> >>>>>>>>>> That appears to be an avowed goal of his.
> >>>>>>>>> Now why would an atheist be concerned about what my goals are?
> >>>>>>>> Because you keep defecating in alt.atheism.
> >>>>>>>>> Do atheists concern themselves with the goals of all people?
> >>>>>>>> No, just the goals of people trying to impose their religious beliefs
> >>>>>>>> on everyone.
> >>>>>>> As I understand it, you are saying that you are opposed to freedom of
> >>>>>>> speech.
> >>>>>> Golly, did I say anything even remotely like that? ?Nope.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>> Well, I think you did.
> >>>> There you go again, trying to think without the proper tool.
>
> >>> Actually, I had the book of Isaiah.
>
> >> You missed this line:
>
> >> Isaiah 5:18 Woe to those who draw sin along with cords of deceit
>
> >> And this one:
>
> >> Deuteronomy 5:20 You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
>
>
 
On Mar 10, 4:16?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> On 10 Mar 2007 15:02:56 -0800, in alt.atheism
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> <1173567776.676369.66...@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
>
>
>
> >On Mar 10, 10:22?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >> > On Mar 9, 1:08?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> >> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >>> On Mar 8, 2:39?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >> >>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:23:22 -0800, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>> ? - Refer: <erCdnYJ9sbKWS3LYnZ2dnUVZ_trin...@comcast.com>
> >> >>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >> >>>>>> On 7 Mar 2007 14:43:40 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173307420.007287.59...@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
> >> >>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> On 7 Mar 2007 09:49:42 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173289782.480046.72...@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>
> >> >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2:21?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Robert, why would you believe that you are somehow exempt from a simple
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> instruction in your manual: to beat a speedy retreat from any place like
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> alt dot atheism where your proselytizing is not welcome, and 'shake the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> dust of that place off your feet' [don't have anything further to do
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> with it]?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Your hypothesis that things in your manual only apply to the original
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> twelve apostles is just the fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis. If they were
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> to apply only to the original twelve apostles then there would be no
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> proselytizing today, would there?- Hide quoted text -
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Who told you I was proselytizing?
> >> >>>>>>>>> What do YOU think you're doing?
> >> >>>>>>>> Bzzzt!
> >> >>>>>>>> Meaningless question.
> >> >>>>>>>> Bobby is quite incapable of thought.
> >> >>>>>>> Point taken; I withdraw the question.
> >> >>>>>> Objection sustained.
> >> >>>>>> Now, what about this defence of...
> >> >>>>>> <shuffles papers>
> >> >>>>>> Erm "Not guilty by way of insanity"?
> >> >>>>>> What does the defendent have to say?
> >> >>>>>> You will stand when you address the court Mr. Winn.
> >> >>>>>> Remove that canvas jacket from him will you, usher?
> >> >>>>> Take off his straight jacket? I object!
> >> >>>> The learned counsel's objection is sustained.
> >> >>>> Mr. Winn is a clear and present danger to rationality.
> >> >>>> The Jury will now consider it's verdict.
> >> >>> Well, here is some more atheistic mythology. ?So who do you claim has
> >> >>> ever had a trial by jury at a sanity hearing? ?
> >> >> ?>
> >> >> It's not a real trial, moron, it is just make believe on Usenet. We are
> >> >> just making fun of you. Can't you tell the difference? Errrm ... never
> >> >> mind. You aren't known for your ability to tell real from make believe,
> >> >> are you?-
>
> >> > Well, why would I call it atheistic mythology if it was not make
> >> > believe?
>
> >> Atheism has no mythology, moron, "Atheism is characterized by an absence
> >> of belief in the existence of gods." --http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html
>
> >Atheism does have mythology, otherwise, why would atheists be
> >pretending that people are being given jury trials at sanity hearings?
> >Robert B. Winn
>
> This has nothing to do with atheism, as you know.- Hide quoted text -
>
Any time an atheist get caught short, all we see are disclaimers. I
think it does have something to do with atheism.
Robert B. Winn
 
On Mar 10, 4:37�pm, "tirebiter" <dontspamme...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 6:06 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 10, 10:12?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:> I asked you a simple question on how did you know that he was telling the truth. ?You should answer
> > > the question instead of offering remedies!
>
> > Well, I am not going to get involved in your idea of accusing God of
> > lying.
 
On Mar 10, 5:10?pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 10, 2:59?pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
> >> William Mechlenburg wrote:
> >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:1173537055.788478.173840@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> >>>> On Mar 10, 6:00?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mar 9, 1:45?pm, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Mar 8, 3:56 pm, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> "Free Lunch" <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>news:ijapu2hpqemgb5942fpgn11tc5uba0t3fu@4ax.com...> On Mon, 5 Mar
> >>> 2007 13:59:47 +0800, in alt.atheism
> >>>>>>>>> "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>> <45ebceae$0$16281$88260...@free.teranews.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>> ? ?You need to show at least some evidence to be taken
> >>> seriously. But
> >>>>>>>>>> then
> >>>>>>>>>> we all get the impression you're just chanting atheist mantras
> >>> again, and
> >>>>>>>>>> that's all you aspire to.
> >>>>>>>>> For someone who makes all sorts of claims without ever providing
> >>> a shred
> >>>>>>>>> of evidence, it's pretty rich for you to ask for evidence.
> >>>>>>>> ? ? When will you get serious? Our Christian "God is love" (1 John
> >>> 4:8,16).
> >>>>>>> No he's not. ?He stains the earth with innocent blood, scatters it
> >>>>>>> with poverty, starvation, war, famine, disease, and ruin; sacrifices
> >>>>>>> virgins for his own sadistic blood lust; demands on pain of blood
> >>>>>>> curses that he be loved and worshiped; shows his ass to Moses; shows
> >>>>>>> his face, his UFO and his angels to Isaiah; invests his powers in
> >>>>>>> clergy who rape, steal, murder and pillage; and giggles while David
> >>> (a
> >>>>>>> man after God's own heart) commits premeditated murder and steals
> >>>>>>> another man's wife, estate, and vineyards.
> >>>>>>> Oh, and did I mention he (after getting the idea from pagan gods who
> >>>>>>> raped mortals and begat babies on them) dispatched a ghost to
> >>>>>>> fornicate with Mary against her will and knocked her up even though
> >>>>>>> she was betrothed to Joseph.
> >>>>>> Why don't you discuss your ideas with Jesus Christ when he returns to
> >>>>>> judge the earth?
> >>>>> Because he's imaginary.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>> Well, he would be the one to tell your idea. ?Just speak right up and
> >>>> tell him when he returns to judge the earth.
> >>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>> Your imaginary god is not going to return to earth. It isn't going to
> >>> happen!
> >> It's just wonderful that
> >> you can imagine God.
> >> Can you tell us a little more
> >> about your imaginary God?
>
> > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?
> > Robert B. Winn
>
> I have seen and heard many versions.
> At least some parts of them anyway.
> But I'm interested in
> his and your understanding of God.
>
> Is your God male?
>
Why do you ask?
Robert B. Winn
 
On Mar 10, 7:41 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 4:37?pm, "tirebiter" <dontspamme...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 10, 6:06 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 10, 10:12?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:> I asked you a simple question on how did you know that he was telling the truth. ?You should answer
> > > > the question instead of offering remedies!
>
> > > Well, I am not going to get involved in your idea of accusing God of
> > > lying. ?You need to do that without help from me if you are going to
> > > do it. ?I would advise you not to do it.
> > > Robert B. Winn
>
> > Quite the paradox. ?The god thingy doesn't exist and things that don't
> > exist can't lie. ?But the followers of the god thingy believe the lies
> > attributed to it. ?So, based on its non-existence, I don't think the
> > god thingy lies, but the things other people believe it said are lies.
>
> > So, RB. ?What terrible thing to you believe will happen to me? ?And
> > can you prove that it will happen? ?Note, if I have to wait until
> > after I'm dead, your proof can't be validated.
> > ---
> > a.a. #2273
>
> I think you will be cut off from the presence of God. So you will
> just continue on in the things familiar to you. You would eventually
> come to know that God exists, but never be allowed where he is. A
> person who accuses God of lying will not be allowed into his presence.
> Robert B. Winn

In other words, you got nothing. The best you got is I won't be
allowed someplace that doesn't exist. Enjoy wasting your life on your
god thingy.
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a.a #2273
 
rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 10, 4:16?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> On 10 Mar 2007 15:02:56 -0800, in alt.atheism
>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
>> <1173567776.676369.66...@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 10, 10:22?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 9, 1:08?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 2:39?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:23:22 -0800, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <erCdnYJ9sbKWS3LYnZ2dnUVZ_trin...@comcast.com>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Mar 2007 14:43:40 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173307420.007287.59...@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 Mar 2007 09:49:42 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173289782.480046.72...@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2:21?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert, why would you believe that you are somehow exempt from a simple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instruction in your manual: to beat a speedy retreat from any place like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alt dot atheism where your proselytizing is not welcome, and 'shake the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dust of that place off your feet' [don't have anything further to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it]?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your hypothesis that things in your manual only apply to the original
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twelve apostles is just the fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis. If they were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to apply only to the original twelve apostles then there would be no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proselytizing today, would there?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who told you I was proselytizing?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do YOU think you're doing?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bzzzt!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Meaningless question.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bobby is quite incapable of thought.
>>>>>>>>>>> Point taken; I withdraw the question.
>>>>>>>>>> Objection sustained.
>>>>>>>>>> Now, what about this defence of...
>>>>>>>>>> <shuffles papers>
>>>>>>>>>> Erm "Not guilty by way of insanity"?
>>>>>>>>>> What does the defendent have to say?
>>>>>>>>>> You will stand when you address the court Mr. Winn.
>>>>>>>>>> Remove that canvas jacket from him will you, usher?
>>>>>>>>> Take off his straight jacket? I object!
>>>>>>>> The learned counsel's objection is sustained.
>>>>>>>> Mr. Winn is a clear and present danger to rationality.
>>>>>>>> The Jury will now consider it's verdict.
>>>>>>> Well, here is some more atheistic mythology. ?So who do you claim has
>>>>>>> ever had a trial by jury at a sanity hearing? ?
>>>>>> ?>
>>>>>> It's not a real trial, moron, it is just make believe on Usenet. We are
>>>>>> just making fun of you. Can't you tell the difference? Errrm ... never
>>>>>> mind. You aren't known for your ability to tell real from make believe,
>>>>>> are you?-
>>>>> Well, why would I call it atheistic mythology if it was not make
>>>>> believe?
>>>> Atheism has no mythology, moron, "Atheism is characterized by an absence
>>>> of belief in the existence of gods." --http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html
>>> Atheism does have mythology, otherwise, why would atheists be
>>> pretending that people are being given jury trials at sanity hearings?
>>> Robert B. Winn
>> This has nothing to do with atheism, as you know.- Hide quoted text -
>>
> Any time an atheist get caught short, all we see are disclaimers. I
> think it does have something to do with atheism.
> Robert B. Winn
>
>


Are you posting here at alt.atheism intentionally
or just replying to a post crossposted to a Christian forum?

--
~Stumper
 
rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 10, 5:10?pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Mar 10, 2:59?pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
>>>> William Mechlenburg wrote:
>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1173537055.788478.173840@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> On Mar 10, 6:00?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mar 9, 1:45?pm, "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 8, 3:56 pm, "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Free Lunch" <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:ijapu2hpqemgb5942fpgn11tc5uba0t3fu@4ax.com...> On Mon, 5 Mar
>>>>> 2007 13:59:47 +0800, in alt.atheism
>>>>>>>>>>> "Pastor Frank" <P...@christfirst.edu> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> <45ebceae$0$16281$88260...@free.teranews.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>> ? ?You need to show at least some evidence to be taken
>>>>> seriously. But
>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>> we all get the impression you're just chanting atheist mantras
>>>>> again, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> that's all you aspire to.
>>>>>>>>>>> For someone who makes all sorts of claims without ever providing
>>>>> a shred
>>>>>>>>>>> of evidence, it's pretty rich for you to ask for evidence.
>>>>>>>>>> ? ? When will you get serious? Our Christian "God is love" (1 John
>>>>> 4:8,16).
>>>>>>>>> No he's not. ?He stains the earth with innocent blood, scatters it
>>>>>>>>> with poverty, starvation, war, famine, disease, and ruin; sacrifices
>>>>>>>>> virgins for his own sadistic blood lust; demands on pain of blood
>>>>>>>>> curses that he be loved and worshiped; shows his ass to Moses; shows
>>>>>>>>> his face, his UFO and his angels to Isaiah; invests his powers in
>>>>>>>>> clergy who rape, steal, murder and pillage; and giggles while David
>>>>> (a
>>>>>>>>> man after God's own heart) commits premeditated murder and steals
>>>>>>>>> another man's wife, estate, and vineyards.
>>>>>>>>> Oh, and did I mention he (after getting the idea from pagan gods who
>>>>>>>>> raped mortals and begat babies on them) dispatched a ghost to
>>>>>>>>> fornicate with Mary against her will and knocked her up even though
>>>>>>>>> she was betrothed to Joseph.
>>>>>>>> Why don't you discuss your ideas with Jesus Christ when he returns to
>>>>>>>> judge the earth?
>>>>>>> Because he's imaginary.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>> Well, he would be the one to tell your idea. ?Just speak right up and
>>>>>> tell him when he returns to judge the earth.
>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>> Your imaginary god is not going to return to earth. It isn't going to
>>>>> happen!
>>>> It's just wonderful that
>>>> you can imagine God.
>>>> Can you tell us a little more
>>>> about your imaginary God?
>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?
>>> Robert B. Winn
>> I have seen and heard many versions.
>> At least some parts of them anyway.
>> But I'm interested in
>> his and your understanding of God.
>>
>> Is your God male?
>>
> Why do you ask?
> Robert B. Winn
>

To figure out how to properly talk about God.

--
~Stumper
 
On 10 Mar 2007 04:52:56 -0800, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com>
wrote:

>rbwinn wrote:

>> Al, good to see you.

>Especially in light of the fact you'd claimed he'd been chased away by
>your nonsensical bible quotes.

Not chased away, bored to tears. I was never very good at teaching
children who hadn't yet achieved the ability to think.
 
rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 10, 4:37�pm, "tirebiter" <dontspamme...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 10, 6:06 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 10, 10:12?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:> I asked you a simple question on how did you know that he was telling the truth. ?You should answer
>>>> the question instead of offering remedies!
>>> Well, I am not going to get involved in your idea of accusing God of
>>> lying. �You need to do that without help from me if you are going to
>>> do it. �I would advise you not to do it.
>>> Robert B. Winn
>> Quite the paradox. �The god thingy doesn't exist and things that don't
>> exist can't lie. �But the followers of the god thingy believe the lies
>> attributed to it. �So, based on its non-existence, I don't think the
>> god thingy lies, but the things other people believe it said are lies.
>>
>> So, RB. �What terrible thing to you believe will happen to me? �And
>> can you prove that it will happen? �Note, if I have to wait until
>> after I'm dead, your proof can't be validated.
>> ---
>> a.a. #2273
>
> I think you will be cut off from the presence of God. So you will
> just continue on in the things familiar to you. You would eventually
> come to know that God exists, but never be allowed where he is. A
> person who accuses God of lying will not be allowed into his presence.
> Robert B. Winn
>

How do you know that
God is not going to soften his mind
or to just forgive him anyway?

--
~Stumper
 
On 10 Mar 2007 16:37:25 -0800, in alt.atheism
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in
<1173573445.512922.196470@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
>On Mar 10, 4:16?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> On 10 Mar 2007 15:02:56 -0800, in alt.atheism
>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
>> <1173567776.676369.66...@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Mar 10, 10:22?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>> >> rbwinn wrote:
>> >> > On Mar 9, 1:08?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>> >> >> rbwinn wrote:
>> >> >>> On Mar 8, 2:39?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:23:22 -0800, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>> ? - Refer: <erCdnYJ9sbKWS3LYnZ2dnUVZ_trin...@comcast.com>
>> >> >>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> On 7 Mar 2007 14:43:40 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
>> >> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173307420.007287.59...@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
>> >> >>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>> On 7 Mar 2007 09:49:42 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>> ? - Refer: <1173289782.480046.72...@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2:21?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Robert, why would you believe that you are somehow exempt from a simple
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> instruction in your manual: to beat a speedy retreat from any place like
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> alt dot atheism where your proselytizing is not welcome, and 'shake the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> dust of that place off your feet' [don't have anything further to do
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> with it]?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Your hypothesis that things in your manual only apply to the original
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> twelve apostles is just the fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis. If they were
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> to apply only to the original twelve apostles then there would be no
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> proselytizing today, would there?- Hide quoted text -
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Who told you I was proselytizing?
>> >> >>>>>>>>> What do YOU think you're doing?
>> >> >>>>>>>> Bzzzt!
>> >> >>>>>>>> Meaningless question.
>> >> >>>>>>>> Bobby is quite incapable of thought.
>> >> >>>>>>> Point taken; I withdraw the question.
>> >> >>>>>> Objection sustained.
>> >> >>>>>> Now, what about this defence of...
>> >> >>>>>> <shuffles papers>
>> >> >>>>>> Erm "Not guilty by way of insanity"?
>> >> >>>>>> What does the defendent have to say?
>> >> >>>>>> You will stand when you address the court Mr. Winn.
>> >> >>>>>> Remove that canvas jacket from him will you, usher?
>> >> >>>>> Take off his straight jacket? I object!
>> >> >>>> The learned counsel's objection is sustained.
>> >> >>>> Mr. Winn is a clear and present danger to rationality.
>> >> >>>> The Jury will now consider it's verdict.
>> >> >>> Well, here is some more atheistic mythology. ?So who do you claim has
>> >> >>> ever had a trial by jury at a sanity hearing? ?
>> >> >> ?>
>> >> >> It's not a real trial, moron, it is just make believe on Usenet. We are
>> >> >> just making fun of you. Can't you tell the difference? Errrm ... never
>> >> >> mind. You aren't known for your ability to tell real from make believe,
>> >> >> are you?-
>>
>> >> > Well, why would I call it atheistic mythology if it was not make
>> >> > believe?
>>
>> >> Atheism has no mythology, moron, "Atheism is characterized by an absence
>> >> of belief in the existence of gods." --http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html
>>
>> >Atheism does have mythology, otherwise, why would atheists be
>> >pretending that people are being given jury trials at sanity hearings?
>> >Robert B. Winn
>>
>> This has nothing to do with atheism, as you know.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>Any time an atheist get caught short, all we see are disclaimers. I
>think it does have something to do with atheism.
>Robert B. Winn
>
We aren't being caught short. You are lying. You have absolutely no
evidence to support your false claim and I see no reason to bother
dealing with this lie, since you have not learned from all of the other
lies that you have had thrown back in your face.

You personally teach a pathetic god.
 
duke wrote:

> On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:49:22 -0700, Libertarius
> <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
>
>
>>Of course there is "evidence".
>>Ask any believer.
>>His/her answer is evidence there is a "god" --
>>created and residing inside his/her mind. -- L.
>
>
> Can you offer support that there is no God?

===>I just offered logical support there are
MILLIONS of them! -- L.
 

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