Report cites warnings before September 11, 2001...

[Vandar]

liam o'shea wrote:

> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:56:05 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>liam o'shea wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:53:45 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>liam.oshea@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Jul 9, 10:29 pm, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>liam.os...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Jul 9, 11:24 am, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>liamo'shea wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:12:54 -0500, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com>
>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>liamo'shea wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 15:35:39 +0200, "CRxx" <s...@christine.demon.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"liamo'shea"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Would appear he did a hell of a lot better than the Government, FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and the CIA did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Give the man credit where credit is due.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>ROTFLMAO
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Christine!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>So a couple of months before 911, Alex Jones is warning that an attack
>>>>>>>>>>>is coming.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>snip <more crap>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Every day of every year there are poeple predicting
>>>>>>>>>>this thing or some other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Every once in a while one of them gets lucky and their
>>>>>>>>>>prediction comes true. They rush to take credit, while
>>>>>>>>>>the other millions of predictions are quickly forgotten
>>>>>>>>>>as should the lucky one have been as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If he was some nutcase soothsayer, I'd agree with you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>However, his research is tangible and valid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And the attacks DID occur, didn't they?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You're about as convincing asZook.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wow - what a comeback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm sitting here literally stunned speechless by the intellect oozing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>from your reply.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How about adding a couple of facts to prove yourself correct as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That, combined with your previous einstonian retort, would have to be
>>>>>>>a winner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When the egg is rotten you throw it away without
>>>>>>further discussion. It seems you're part of that
>>>>>>class, along withzookand a pottyfull of others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>><flush>- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>All you need do is prove your point of view - with a little thing
>>>>>called FACTS.
>>>>>
>>>>>Surely you can do that, can't you?
>>>>>
>>>>>Alex Jones sites facts and posts links for everyone to see and study.
>>>>>In fact he asks you to study them and come to your own conslusion -
>>>>>without any form of malice.
>>>>
>>>>Horse ****.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I took the time to read many of the last couple of weeks posts made by
>>>yourself - the majority slagging those who DARE to doubt the Official
>>>911 Commission Report,
>>
>>Feel free to point out any time in the last couple of weeks that I've
>>made any statement in support of the 9/11 Commission Report.
>>I've said it before and I'll say it again: Countering a conspiracy
>>theory does not mean one supports any alternative theory, it simply
>>means I ain't buying your bullshit.
>>It's not the "truth" movement vs the official reports, it's the "truth"
>>movement vs reality.
>>
>>I slag those who question reality, reports be damned.
>
>
>
> I didn't say you support the 911 Commission Report - I said you bag
> others who doubt it.

I don't care about the Commission Report (or any other report). When
someone postulates a theory that is either ridiculous or outright wrong,
I reserve the right to expose it as such.

> In other words, those who do not agree with your own interpretation of
> the event, are, in your interpretation, wrong.

Correct.

> And that is incorrect - because you don't supply facts, only a self
> interpretation, which is worth about the same as anyone else with an
> unproven, non factual theory.

I've provided more facts in this forum over the last few years than
every 9/11 conspiracy theorist combined.

> To find the truth, you will have to take a risk and voice a theory,
> which will be challenged, and you will risk being called a kook and
> conspiracy nut.

Therein lies the problem with conspiracy theorists - they state a theory
and then start looking for evidence to support it.
To find the truth, you don't have to take any risks at all or voice any
type of theory. What you must do is conduct a detailed analysis of ALL
available facts and evidence.

> Too many do this on gut instinct, a feeling, call it what you will.

I agree.

> But without some basis of fact to back that theory, it is, (in your
> own words), bullshit.
>
> You can say Alex Jones is incorrect, you can call him a conspiracy
> theorist or nutcase - but at least, like him, back your statements
> with facts.

He doesn't back his statements with facts. He simply throws out random
crap about the "Illuminati" and the "New World Order" and hopes to sell
enough DVDs and t-shirts to pay his mortgage.
He's been at it since long before 9/11.

> This is something that you, unfortunately, do not appear to be able,
> or want, to do.

I have no desire to do it AGAIN. As I said, I've offered numerous facts
in this forum over the years. Conspiracy theorists, including Alex
Jones, seem to have a very difficult time coming up with anything new.
Everything bad that happens anywhere is always blamed on the
"Illuminati", "New World Order", "media controlling Zionists", or what
have you. People such as Jones seem completely unable to accept the fact
that there are actually people outside of the "global elite" that really
want to kill us.

 

[liam o'shea]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:09:32 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:

>liam o'shea wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:56:05 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>liam o'shea wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:53:45 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>liam.oshea@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Jul 9, 10:29 pm, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>liam.os...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Jul 9, 11:24 am, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>liamo'shea wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:12:54 -0500, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com>
>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>liamo'shea wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 15:35:39 +0200, "CRxx" <s...@christine.demon.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"liamo'shea"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Would appear he did a hell of a lot better than the Government, FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and the CIA did.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Give the man credit where credit is due.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>ROTFLMAO
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Christine!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>So a couple of months before 911, Alex Jones is warning that an attack
>>>>>>>>>>>>is coming.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>snip <more crap>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Every day of every year there are poeple predicting
>>>>>>>>>>>this thing or some other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Every once in a while one of them gets lucky and their
>>>>>>>>>>>prediction comes true. They rush to take credit, while
>>>>>>>>>>>the other millions of predictions are quickly forgotten
>>>>>>>>>>>as should the lucky one have been as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If he was some nutcase soothsayer, I'd agree with you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>However, his research is tangible and valid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And the attacks DID occur, didn't they?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You're about as convincing asZook.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Wow - what a comeback.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm sitting here literally stunned speechless by the intellect oozing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>from your reply.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How about adding a couple of facts to prove yourself correct as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That, combined with your previous einstonian retort, would have to be
>>>>>>>>a winner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>When the egg is rotten you throw it away without
>>>>>>>further discussion. It seems you're part of that
>>>>>>>class, along withzookand a pottyfull of others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>><flush>- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>All you need do is prove your point of view - with a little thing
>>>>>>called FACTS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Surely you can do that, can't you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Alex Jones sites facts and posts links for everyone to see and study.
>>>>>>In fact he asks you to study them and come to your own conslusion -
>>>>>>without any form of malice.
>>>>>
>>>>>Horse ****.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I took the time to read many of the last couple of weeks posts made by
>>>>yourself - the majority slagging those who DARE to doubt the Official
>>>>911 Commission Report,
>>>
>>>Feel free to point out any time in the last couple of weeks that I've
>>>made any statement in support of the 9/11 Commission Report.
>>>I've said it before and I'll say it again: Countering a conspiracy
>>>theory does not mean one supports any alternative theory, it simply
>>>means I ain't buying your bullshit.
>>>It's not the "truth" movement vs the official reports, it's the "truth"
>>>movement vs reality.
>>>
>>>I slag those who question reality, reports be damned.
>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't say you support the 911 Commission Report - I said you bag
>> others who doubt it.
>
>I don't care about the Commission Report (or any other report). When
>someone postulates a theory that is either ridiculous or outright wrong,
>I reserve the right to expose it as such.
>
>> In other words, those who do not agree with your own interpretation of
>> the event, are, in your interpretation, wrong.
>
>Correct.
>
That is one hell of a statement for you to make to make - reeks a bit
of delusions of grandeur

>> And that is incorrect - because you don't supply facts, only a self
>> interpretation, which is worth about the same as anyone else with an
>> unproven, non factual theory.
>
>I've provided more facts in this forum over the last few years than
>every 9/11 conspiracy theorist combined.
>
>> To find the truth, you will have to take a risk and voice a theory,
>> which will be challenged, and you will risk being called a kook and
>> conspiracy nut.
>
>Therein lies the problem with conspiracy theorists - they state a theory
>and then start looking for evidence to support it.
>To find the truth, you don't have to take any risks at all or voice any
>type of theory. What you must do is conduct a detailed analysis of ALL
>available facts and evidence.
>

That is not necessarily correct. The speed with which the towers fell
is not a theory, it is measurable fact from the many videos available.
The effect of gravity on a falling body is fact. Put the 2 together,
add in conservation of energy, and the time in which the towers fell
would seem impossibly fast.

The answer given that heat from fire weakened the structure just does
not cut it.

How can you not expect conspiracy theories to occur, when this is the
official explanation.

>> Too many do this on gut instinct, a feeling, call it what you will.
>
>I agree.
>
>> But without some basis of fact to back that theory, it is, (in your
>> own words), bullshit.
>>
>> You can say Alex Jones is incorrect, you can call him a conspiracy
>> theorist or nutcase - but at least, like him, back your statements
>> with facts.
>
>He doesn't back his statements with facts. He simply throws out random
>crap about the "Illuminati" and the "New World Order" and hopes to sell
>enough DVDs and t-shirts to pay his mortgage.
>He's been at it since long before 9/11.
>
>> This is something that you, unfortunately, do not appear to be able,
>> or want, to do.
>
>I have no desire to do it AGAIN. As I said, I've offered numerous facts
>in this forum over the years. Conspiracy theorists, including Alex
>Jones, seem to have a very difficult time coming up with anything new.
>Everything bad that happens anywhere is always blamed on the
>"Illuminati", "New World Order", "media controlling Zionists", or what
>have you. People such as Jones seem completely unable to accept the fact
>that there are actually people outside of the "global elite" that really
>want to kill us.

I have never heard him deny that there are other world problems, such
as the continued fight between Christianity, Islam and Judaism etc.

His view looks past this to a controlling body, that is using
religious hate, aggression and greed as a tool to control the world.

Granted that is one big picture, but I have never seen one fact that
proves his reports are incorrect.

In point of view, the crisis in the middle east has been made by just
the elite he talks about.

And that IS fact.

 

[seon ferguson]

< US > wrote in message news:vf9493hb9f61rjluh34pdtv72n5ufok3jn@4ax.com...
> "According to classified documents from Dutch intelligence and US
> government archives,
> President George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush made considerable
> profits off
> Auschwitz slave labor. In fact, President Bush himself is an heir to these
> profits from
> the holocaust which were placed in a blind trust in 1980 by his father,
> former president
> George Herbert Walker Bush."
>
> http://www.john-loftus.com/Thyssen.asp
>
So what else is new?

 

[seon ferguson]

< US > wrote in message news:4j94931bii08ds8hts025boatgavk1fhf9@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:29:18 +1000, "seon ferguson" <seon@iinet.net.au>
> wrote:
>
>>< US > wrote in message
>>news:2gnp83d0fflag91npbnjcv5j504606dbmu@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:57:19 -0400, Bushkultie Deranged Kook BDK
>>> <BDK@shillsrus.com> wrote:
>>>>...I never said ...
>>>
>>> You never said anything about how Bush lied the USA
>>> into an illegal invasion of Iraq, using 9/11 as an excuse.
>>>
>>> No Iraqis had anything to do with 9/11, but you'd rather
>>> see them slaughtered en masse than seek a real investigation
>>> much less criminal justice for the perpetrators.
>>>
>>While in the meantime the man who was suposed to have commited 911 (or at
>>least formed the terror cell who did) is still free to this day. If he's
>>alive that is.
>
> The Bush crime family is in the arms racket with the bin Ladens.

Bush does do business with them and he even vacations with them.

 

[seon ferguson]

< US > wrote in message news:uo94931ds7khvm50g8d40ghghfga4d972o@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:37:36 +1000, "seon ferguson" <seon@iinet.net.au>
> wrote:
>
>>< US > wrote in message
>>news:rjop83d5stkuqonfc3jvnbabfqtoppi7u8@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:11:58 +1000, "seon ferguson" <seon@iinet.net.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>>Just not laugh and joke like that. I mean he stayed in that room for 7
>>>>minutes, ignoring the questions that he could be a possible target the
>>>>least
>>>>he could do was end the photo op or something.
>>>
>>> His handlers had told him to 'look innocent'.
>>>
>>> What he displayed was his sociopathic indifference
>>> to the immense suffering and horrific deaths of humans.
>>
>>Yep thats not looking innocent to me. I agree Bush's actions in the school
>>room were staged.
>
> Well said: the 'staging' of that situation is telling in and of itself.

Just the way Bush acted shows me how much he really cares about the 3,000
plus dead Americans that his buisness buddies murdured.

 

[seon ferguson]

< US > wrote in message news:fn9493hnabfdi9nm24rbug2c43jhipa3ba@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:30:55 +1000, "seon ferguson" <seon@iinet.net.au>
> wrote:
>
>>< US > wrote in message
>>news:kfop83pq70tocuai7shpjn0isqn3arbvqc@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 02:00:28 -0500, "John P." <JohnP@MoronMe.com> wrote:
>>>>It's pretty clear Bush didn't know what was going on ...
>>>
>>> You've been duped.
>>>
>>> It wasn't difficult for even the clumsiest cons
>>> to fool you.
>>
>>Can you blaim him? this is bush were talking about, an obvious puppet for
>>the religious right neo conservatives.
>
> They're fascist traitors, abusing the religious and the right
> and the conservatives along with everyone else.

Yeah I feel sorry for those religious nuts who think its patriotic to
blindly suppor everything Bush and the other scum do.

 

[seon ferguson]

"nonsense" <nonsense@unsettled.com> wrote in message
news:56fe3$46923718$49e5da8$10825@DIALUPUSA.NET...
> seon ferguson wrote:
>
>> "nonsense" <nonsense@unsettled.com> wrote in message
>> news:8d7da$46906180$49e5d51$23714@DIALUPUSA.NET...
>>
>>>seon ferguson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"BDK" <BDK@shillsrus.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:MPG.20f98c9dcd1516a498b347@news.buckeye-express.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article <maednV8N_Jee9hLbnZ2dnUVZ_rzinZ2d@wideopenwest.com>,
>>>>>wherewasIfriday@nowhere.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>seon ferguson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:gNGji.11625$ya1.8663@news02.roc.ny...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>seon ferguson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:eeuji.11644$B25.162@news01.roc.ny...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>seon ferguson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>><bushlyed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>news:1183711908.550353.53070@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Jun 30, 11:23 pm, "John P."
>>>>>>>>>>>><JohnP_Da_Evil_...@WhyAreMoronsAttractedToMe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Anonymous Loser" <AnonymousLo...@remailer.cyberiade.it> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>in a a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. intelligence officials had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>several warnings that terrorists might attack the United
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>States
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on its home soil -- even using airplanes as weapons -- well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>before the September 11, 2001 attacks, two congressional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>committees said in a report released Wednesday.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>During the week of July 4, 2007, four people will die in car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>accidents
>>>>>>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the interstate highways in and around the Chicago area.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Armed with this specific information, stop it from happening.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Idiot
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>First, you issue a warning about this so the hijackers know that
>>>>>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>>>know
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Tell the airline
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And let the pilots carry freaking guns.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You want this guy carrying a gun on an airplane?
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/10/national/main1786964.shtml
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hell no but guns could have prevented 911. If they had a gun they
>>>>>>>>>could
>>>>>>>>>just shoot the hijackers, since they only had box cutters and
>>>>>>>>>stuff. I'd
>>>>>>>>>rather a few people died in the crossfire then 3,000 plus people.
>>>>>>>>>Wouldnt
>>>>>>>>>you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Of course. A lot of things other than guns could have prevented it.
>>>>>>>>I'd
>>>>>>>>rather they keep all weapons off the plane and have the ****pit door
>>>>>>>>be
>>>>>>>>reinforced and mandate it being locked before the plane starts to
>>>>>>>>taxi.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Then what's stopping the muzzies from massacring the passengers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just when I think you can't say anything dumber, you come up with
>>>>>>something like this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I have to admit that one, well, it's a "keeper".
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I dont get it, whats stopping the Muzzies fine hikackers from killing
>>>>all the passangers when they find they cant get to the pilot? How is
>>>>that dumb?
>>>
>>>You believe you can think like them?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No because I'm not a religious nutball.
>
> It sounds as though you've placed yourself "in their shoes"
> when it comes to deciding whether or not to kill all the passengers.
>
>
>
All I know is if I was robbing a bank and that security system came up I
would look for the first customer to kill-just like if I was a crazy
religious nut.

 

[animal05]

liam o'shea wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:09:32 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>liam o'shea wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:56:05 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>liam o'shea wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:53:45 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>liam.oshea@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Jul 9, 10:29 pm, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>liam.os...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Jul 9, 11:24 am, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>liamo'shea wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:12:54 -0500, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>liamo'shea wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 15:35:39 +0200, "CRxx" <s...@christine.demon.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"liamo'shea"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Would appear he did a hell of a lot better than the Government, FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and the CIA did.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Give the man credit where credit is due.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ROTFLMAO
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Christine!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>So a couple of months before 911, Alex Jones is warning that an attack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>is coming.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>snip <more crap>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Every day of every year there are poeple predicting
>>>>>>>>>>>>this thing or some other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Every once in a while one of them gets lucky and their
>>>>>>>>>>>>prediction comes true. They rush to take credit, while
>>>>>>>>>>>>the other millions of predictions are quickly forgotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>as should the lucky one have been as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>If he was some nutcase soothsayer, I'd agree with you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>However, his research is tangible and valid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And the attacks DID occur, didn't they?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You're about as convincing asZook.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Wow - what a comeback.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm sitting here literally stunned speechless by the intellect oozing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>from your reply.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>How about adding a couple of facts to prove yourself correct as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That, combined with your previous einstonian retort, would have to be
>>>>>>>>>a winner.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>When the egg is rotten you throw it away without
>>>>>>>>further discussion. It seems you're part of that
>>>>>>>>class, along withzookand a pottyfull of others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>><flush>- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>All you need do is prove your point of view - with a little thing
>>>>>>>called FACTS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Surely you can do that, can't you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Alex Jones sites facts and posts links for everyone to see and study.
>>>>>>>In fact he asks you to study them and come to your own conslusion -
>>>>>>>without any form of malice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Horse ****.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I took the time to read many of the last couple of weeks posts made by
>>>>>yourself - the majority slagging those who DARE to doubt the Official
>>>>>911 Commission Report,
>>>>
>>>>Feel free to point out any time in the last couple of weeks that I've
>>>>made any statement in support of the 9/11 Commission Report.
>>>>I've said it before and I'll say it again: Countering a conspiracy
>>>>theory does not mean one supports any alternative theory, it simply
>>>>means I ain't buying your bullshit.
>>>>It's not the "truth" movement vs the official reports, it's the "truth"
>>>>movement vs reality.
>>>>
>>>>I slag those who question reality, reports be damned.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I didn't say you support the 911 Commission Report - I said you bag
>>>others who doubt it.
>>
>>I don't care about the Commission Report (or any other report). When
>>someone postulates a theory that is either ridiculous or outright wrong,
>>I reserve the right to expose it as such.
>>
>>
>>>In other words, those who do not agree with your own interpretation of
>>>the event, are, in your interpretation, wrong.
>>
>>Correct.
>>
>
> That is one hell of a statement for you to make to make - reeks a bit
> of delusions of grandeur
>
>
>>>And that is incorrect - because you don't supply facts, only a self
>>>interpretation, which is worth about the same as anyone else with an
>>>unproven, non factual theory.
>>
>>I've provided more facts in this forum over the last few years than
>>every 9/11 conspiracy theorist combined.
>>
>>
>>>To find the truth, you will have to take a risk and voice a theory,
>>>which will be challenged, and you will risk being called a kook and
>>>conspiracy nut.
>>
>>Therein lies the problem with conspiracy theorists - they state a theory
>>and then start looking for evidence to support it.
>>To find the truth, you don't have to take any risks at all or voice any
>>type of theory. What you must do is conduct a detailed analysis of ALL
>>available facts and evidence.
>>
>
>
> That is not necessarily correct. The speed with which the towers fell
> is not a theory, it is measurable fact from the many videos available.

They are all guesses, no measurable fact....the base of the tower was
hidden by a large dust cloud, but it is meaningless since every video
clearly shows debris falling at "free fall speed" clear of the building
fatr ahead of the tower collapse, prrof that the 911 kooker claims are
false.

> The effect of gravity on a falling body is fact. Put the 2 together,
> add in conservation of energy, and the time in which the towers fell
> would seem impossibly fast.

Only to someone with little to no knowledge of building structures.

>
> The answer given that heat from fire weakened the structure just does
> not cut it.

Only to someone with little to no knowledge of building structures and
buildign fires.

>
> How can you not expect conspiracy theories to occur, when this is the
> official explanation.

There are always a few at the wrong side of the bottom of the bell curve
that will fall for such nonsense as the consipracy theories.

>
>
>>>Too many do this on gut instinct, a feeling, call it what you will.
>>
>>I agree.
>>
>>
>>>But without some basis of fact to back that theory, it is, (in your
>>>own words), bullshit.
>>>
>>>You can say Alex Jones is incorrect, you can call him a conspiracy
>>>theorist or nutcase - but at least, like him, back your statements
>>>with facts.
>>
>>He doesn't back his statements with facts. He simply throws out random
>>crap about the "Illuminati" and the "New World Order" and hopes to sell
>>enough DVDs and t-shirts to pay his mortgage.
>>He's been at it since long before 9/11.
>>
>>
>>>This is something that you, unfortunately, do not appear to be able,
>>>or want, to do.
>>
>>I have no desire to do it AGAIN. As I said, I've offered numerous facts
>>in this forum over the years. Conspiracy theorists, including Alex
>>Jones, seem to have a very difficult time coming up with anything new.
>>Everything bad that happens anywhere is always blamed on the
>>"Illuminati", "New World Order", "media controlling Zionists", or what
>>have you. People such as Jones seem completely unable to accept the fact
>>that there are actually people outside of the "global elite" that really
>>want to kill us.
>
>
> I have never heard him deny that there are other world problems, such
> as the continued fight between Christianity, Islam and Judaism etc.
>
> His view looks past this to a controlling body, that is using
> religious hate, aggression and greed as a tool to control the world.
>
> Granted that is one big picture, but I have never seen one fact that
> proves his reports are incorrect.
>
> In point of view, the crisis in the middle east has been made by just
> the elite he talks about.
>
> And that IS fact.

 

[* US *]

The Bush crime family has a tradition of treason.

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/bushnonazi.html

"Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth
about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would
be chased down in the streets and lynched."
-George H. W. "Poppy" Bush, spoken in an interview with
Sarah McClendon, June 1992

http://chicago.indymedia.org/newswire/display/61956/index.php

 

[* US *]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:31:02 +1000, "seon ferguson" <seon@iinet.net.au> wrote:

>< US > wrote in message news:vf9493hb9f61rjluh34pdtv72n5ufok3jn@4ax.com...
>> "According to classified documents from Dutch intelligence and US
>> government archives, President George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush made considerable
>> profits off Auschwitz slave labor. In fact, President Bush himself is an heir to these
>> profits from the holocaust which were placed in a blind trust in 1980 by his father,
>> former president George Herbert Walker Bush."
>>
>> http://www.john-loftus.com/Thyssen.asp
>>
>So what else is new?

There are still too many who are ignorant of such facts.

 

[* US *]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:31:56 +1000, "seon ferguson" <seon@iinet.net.au> wrote:

>< US > wrote in message news:4j94931bii08ds8hts025boatgavk1fhf9@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:29:18 +1000, "seon ferguson" <seon@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>< US > wrote in message news:2gnp83d0fflag91npbnjcv5j504606dbmu@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:57:19 -0400, Bushkultie Deranged Kook BDK <BDK@shillsrus.com> wrote:
>>>>>...I never said ...
>>>>
>>>> You never said anything about how Bush lied the USA
>>>> into an illegal invasion of Iraq, using 9/11 as an excuse.
>>>>
>>>> No Iraqis had anything to do with 9/11, but you'd rather
>>>> see them slaughtered en masse than seek a real investigation
>>>> much less criminal justice for the perpetrators.
>>>>
>>>While in the meantime the man who was suposed to have commited 911 (or at
>>>least formed the terror cell who did) is still free to this day. If he's
>>>alive that is.
>>
>> The Bush crime family is in the arms racket with the bin Ladens.
>
>Bush does do business with them and he even vacations with them.

The bin Ladens have provided money to the Bush crime family, too.

 

[* US *]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:33:39 +1000, "seon ferguson" <seon@iinet.net.au> wrote:

>< US > wrote in message news:fn9493hnabfdi9nm24rbug2c43jhipa3ba@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:30:55 +1000, "seon ferguson" <seon@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>< US > wrote in message news:kfop83pq70tocuai7shpjn0isqn3arbvqc@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 02:00:28 -0500, "John P." <JohnP@MoronMe.com> wrote:
>>>>>It's pretty clear Bush didn't know what was going on ...
>>>>
>>>> You've been duped.
>>>>
>>>> It wasn't difficult for even the clumsiest cons
>>>> to fool you.
>>>
>>>Can you blaim him? this is bush were talking about, an obvious puppet for
>>>the religious right neo conservatives.
>>
>> They're fascist traitors, abusing the religious and the right
>> and the conservatives along with everyone else.
>
>Yeah I feel sorry for those religious nuts who think its patriotic to
>blindly suppor everything Bush and the other scum do.

Their own holy writ warns them about wolves in sheeps' clothing.

 

[* US *]

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:37:36 +1000, "seon ferguson" <seon@iinet.net.au> wrote:

>< US > wrote in message news:rjop83d5stkuqonfc3jvnbabfqtoppi7u8@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:11:58 +1000, "seon ferguson" <seon@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>Just not laugh and joke like that. I mean he stayed in that room for 7
>>>minutes, ignoring the questions that he could be a possible target the
>>>least
>>>he could do was end the photo op or something.
>>
>> His handlers had told him to 'look innocent'.
>>
>> What he displayed was his sociopathic indifference
>> to the immense suffering and horrific deaths of humans.
>
>Yep thats not looking innocent to me. I agree Bush's actions in the school
>room were staged.

Well said: the 'staging' of that situation is telling in and of itself.

Bush showed a totally abnormal reaction unless one considers
the fact that he had been told to do what he did.

 

[* US *]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:32:53 +1000, "seon ferguson" <seon@iinet.net.au> wrote:

>< US > wrote in message news:uo94931ds7khvm50g8d40ghghfga4d972o@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:37:36 +1000, "seon ferguson" <seon@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>< US > wrote in message news:rjop83d5stkuqonfc3jvnbabfqtoppi7u8@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:11:58 +1000, "seon ferguson" <seon@iinet.net.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>Just not laugh and joke like that. I mean he stayed in that room for 7
>>>>>minutes, ignoring the questions that he could be a possible target the
>>>>>least
>>>>>he could do was end the photo op or something.
>>>>
>>>> His handlers had told him to 'look innocent'.
>>>>
>>>> What he displayed was his sociopathic indifference
>>>> to the immense suffering and horrific deaths of humans.
>>>
>>>Yep thats not looking innocent to me. I agree Bush's actions in the school
>>>room were staged.
>>
>> Well said: the 'staging' of that situation is telling in and of itself.
>
>Just the way Bush acted shows me how much he really cares about the 3,000
>plus dead Americans that his buisness buddies murdured.
>
9/11 was part of his "trifecta" in his "fabulous" year.

Bush is still dancing on those graves.

 

[Vandar]

liam o'shea wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:09:32 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>liam o'shea wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:56:05 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>liam o'shea wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:53:45 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>liam.oshea@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Jul 9, 10:29 pm, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>liam.os...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Jul 9, 11:24 am, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>liamo'shea wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:12:54 -0500, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>liamo'shea wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 15:35:39 +0200, "CRxx" <s...@christine.demon.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"liamo'shea"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Would appear he did a hell of a lot better than the Government, FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and the CIA did.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Give the man credit where credit is due.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ROTFLMAO
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Christine!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>So a couple of months before 911, Alex Jones is warning that an attack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>is coming.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>snip <more crap>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Every day of every year there are poeple predicting
>>>>>>>>>>>>this thing or some other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Every once in a while one of them gets lucky and their
>>>>>>>>>>>>prediction comes true. They rush to take credit, while
>>>>>>>>>>>>the other millions of predictions are quickly forgotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>as should the lucky one have been as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>If he was some nutcase soothsayer, I'd agree with you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>However, his research is tangible and valid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And the attacks DID occur, didn't they?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You're about as convincing asZook.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Wow - what a comeback.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm sitting here literally stunned speechless by the intellect oozing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>from your reply.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>How about adding a couple of facts to prove yourself correct as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That, combined with your previous einstonian retort, would have to be
>>>>>>>>>a winner.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>When the egg is rotten you throw it away without
>>>>>>>>further discussion. It seems you're part of that
>>>>>>>>class, along withzookand a pottyfull of others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>><flush>- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>All you need do is prove your point of view - with a little thing
>>>>>>>called FACTS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Surely you can do that, can't you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Alex Jones sites facts and posts links for everyone to see and study.
>>>>>>>In fact he asks you to study them and come to your own conslusion -
>>>>>>>without any form of malice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Horse ****.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I took the time to read many of the last couple of weeks posts made by
>>>>>yourself - the majority slagging those who DARE to doubt the Official
>>>>>911 Commission Report,
>>>>
>>>>Feel free to point out any time in the last couple of weeks that I've
>>>>made any statement in support of the 9/11 Commission Report.
>>>>I've said it before and I'll say it again: Countering a conspiracy
>>>>theory does not mean one supports any alternative theory, it simply
>>>>means I ain't buying your bullshit.
>>>>It's not the "truth" movement vs the official reports, it's the "truth"
>>>>movement vs reality.
>>>>
>>>>I slag those who question reality, reports be damned.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I didn't say you support the 911 Commission Report - I said you bag
>>>others who doubt it.
>>
>>I don't care about the Commission Report (or any other report). When
>>someone postulates a theory that is either ridiculous or outright wrong,
>>I reserve the right to expose it as such.
>>
>>
>>>In other words, those who do not agree with your own interpretation of
>>>the event, are, in your interpretation, wrong.
>>
>>Correct.
>>
>
> That is one hell of a statement for you to make to make - reeks a bit
> of delusions of grandeur

Fact of life that applies to everybody. You believe something to be true
and by default you must consider those who think otherwise to be wrong.

>>>And that is incorrect - because you don't supply facts, only a self
>>>interpretation, which is worth about the same as anyone else with an
>>>unproven, non factual theory.
>>
>>I've provided more facts in this forum over the last few years than
>>every 9/11 conspiracy theorist combined.
>>
>>
>>>To find the truth, you will have to take a risk and voice a theory,
>>>which will be challenged, and you will risk being called a kook and
>>>conspiracy nut.
>>
>>Therein lies the problem with conspiracy theorists - they state a theory
>>and then start looking for evidence to support it.
>>To find the truth, you don't have to take any risks at all or voice any
>>type of theory. What you must do is conduct a detailed analysis of ALL
>>available facts and evidence.
>>
>
>
> That is not necessarily correct. The speed with which the towers fell
> is not a theory, it is measurable fact from the many videos available.

All you can do is get an estimate, as the end of collapses is concealed
inside the debris cloud.

> The effect of gravity on a falling body is fact. Put the 2 together,
> add in conservation of energy, and the time in which the towers fell
> would seem impossibly fast.

They didn't fall impossibly fast. Here's a picture of the south tower's
collapse:
http://paregoricspills.com/wtc/wtc44.jpg
The large pieces of debris are in freefall. The still intact structure
to the left is not. In order to claim the towers fell at or near
freefall speed, you must believe that the falling debris in the above
photo is being propelled downward. Believing that, you must then
formulate a scientifically sound explanation for it.

That's just one of the things that would be included in the "truth"
movement's "official report", which is never going to be compiled
because it would be the end of the revenue stream.

> The answer given that heat from fire weakened the structure just does
> not cut it.

There was a little matter of structural damage as well, BUT... why
doesn't heat from fire "cut it"? Do you think fire can't weaken steel?

> How can you not expect conspiracy theories to occur, when this is the
> official explanation.

It's not the government's explanation that causes conspiracy theories,
it's the intellectual capacity of the conspiracy theorists.

>>>Too many do this on gut instinct, a feeling, call it what you will.
>>
>>I agree.
>>
>>
>>>But without some basis of fact to back that theory, it is, (in your
>>>own words), bullshit.
>>>
>>>You can say Alex Jones is incorrect, you can call him a conspiracy
>>>theorist or nutcase - but at least, like him, back your statements
>>>with facts.
>>
>>He doesn't back his statements with facts. He simply throws out random
>>crap about the "Illuminati" and the "New World Order" and hopes to sell
>>enough DVDs and t-shirts to pay his mortgage.
>>He's been at it since long before 9/11.
>>
>>
>>>This is something that you, unfortunately, do not appear to be able,
>>>or want, to do.
>>
>>I have no desire to do it AGAIN. As I said, I've offered numerous facts
>>in this forum over the years. Conspiracy theorists, including Alex
>>Jones, seem to have a very difficult time coming up with anything new.
>>Everything bad that happens anywhere is always blamed on the
>>"Illuminati", "New World Order", "media controlling Zionists", or what
>>have you. People such as Jones seem completely unable to accept the fact
>>that there are actually people outside of the "global elite" that really
>>want to kill us.
>
>
> I have never heard him deny that there are other world problems, such
> as the continued fight between Christianity, Islam and Judaism etc.
>
> His view looks past this to a controlling body, that is using
> religious hate, aggression and greed as a tool to control the world.

I know. I also know it's a controlling body that exists entirely in his
own mind.

> Granted that is one big picture, but I have never seen one fact that
> proves his reports are incorrect.

I have never seen one fact that proves Eglorps from the planet Neptar
isn't really Dick Cheney's familiar.

The idiot (Jones) predicted a major attack on US soil before the end of
October 2006. In case you didn't notice, we didn't get attacked.
If that's not a fact that proves one of his "reports" wrong, nothing
will ever convince you.

> In point of view, the crisis in the middle east has been made by just
> the elite he talks about.
>
> And that IS fact.

No ****. He states it after it happens. Whoever wins the next election
is going to, in Jones' mind, magically become a puppet of the
"Illuminati New World Order Global Cabal" that wants to take over
everything and enslave everyone for the sole purpose of taking over
everything and enslaving everyone, and Bush will be forgotten.
Meanwhile, back in reality, little peon Jones and his followers, simply
by continuing to live and speak out, demonstrate that the "cabal"
doesn't exist at all. If it did, and he were actually exposing them,
he'd be dead.
And THAT is a fact.

 

[liam o'shea]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:03:02 -0400, animal05
<wherewasIfriday@nowhere.com> wrote:

>liam o'shea wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:09:32 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>liam o'shea wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:56:05 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>liam o'shea wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:53:45 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>liam.oshea@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Jul 9, 10:29 pm, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>liam.os...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Jul 9, 11:24 am, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>liamo'shea wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:12:54 -0500, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>liamo'shea wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 15:35:39 +0200, "CRxx" <s...@christine.demon.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"liamo'shea"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Would appear he did a hell of a lot better than the Government, FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and the CIA did.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Give the man credit where credit is due.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ROTFLMAO
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Christine!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So a couple of months before 911, Alex Jones is warning that an attack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is coming.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>snip <more crap>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Every day of every year there are poeple predicting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>this thing or some other.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Every once in a while one of them gets lucky and their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>prediction comes true. They rush to take credit, while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the other millions of predictions are quickly forgotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>as should the lucky one have been as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>If he was some nutcase soothsayer, I'd agree with you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>However, his research is tangible and valid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>And the attacks DID occur, didn't they?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You're about as convincing asZook.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Wow - what a comeback.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I'm sitting here literally stunned speechless by the intellect oozing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>from your reply.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>How about adding a couple of facts to prove yourself correct as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That, combined with your previous einstonian retort, would have to be
>>>>>>>>>>a winner.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>When the egg is rotten you throw it away without
>>>>>>>>>further discussion. It seems you're part of that
>>>>>>>>>class, along withzookand a pottyfull of others.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>><flush>- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>All you need do is prove your point of view - with a little thing
>>>>>>>>called FACTS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Surely you can do that, can't you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Alex Jones sites facts and posts links for everyone to see and study.
>>>>>>>>In fact he asks you to study them and come to your own conslusion -
>>>>>>>>without any form of malice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Horse ****.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I took the time to read many of the last couple of weeks posts made by
>>>>>>yourself - the majority slagging those who DARE to doubt the Official
>>>>>>911 Commission Report,
>>>>>
>>>>>Feel free to point out any time in the last couple of weeks that I've
>>>>>made any statement in support of the 9/11 Commission Report.
>>>>>I've said it before and I'll say it again: Countering a conspiracy
>>>>>theory does not mean one supports any alternative theory, it simply
>>>>>means I ain't buying your bullshit.
>>>>>It's not the "truth" movement vs the official reports, it's the "truth"
>>>>>movement vs reality.
>>>>>
>>>>>I slag those who question reality, reports be damned.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I didn't say you support the 911 Commission Report - I said you bag
>>>>others who doubt it.
>>>
>>>I don't care about the Commission Report (or any other report). When
>>>someone postulates a theory that is either ridiculous or outright wrong,
>>>I reserve the right to expose it as such.
>>>
>>>
>>>>In other words, those who do not agree with your own interpretation of
>>>>the event, are, in your interpretation, wrong.
>>>
>>>Correct.
>>>
>>
>> That is one hell of a statement for you to make to make - reeks a bit
>> of delusions of grandeur
>>
>>
>>>>And that is incorrect - because you don't supply facts, only a self
>>>>interpretation, which is worth about the same as anyone else with an
>>>>unproven, non factual theory.
>>>
>>>I've provided more facts in this forum over the last few years than
>>>every 9/11 conspiracy theorist combined.
>>>
>>>
>>>>To find the truth, you will have to take a risk and voice a theory,
>>>>which will be challenged, and you will risk being called a kook and
>>>>conspiracy nut.
>>>
>>>Therein lies the problem with conspiracy theorists - they state a theory
>>>and then start looking for evidence to support it.
>>>To find the truth, you don't have to take any risks at all or voice any
>>>type of theory. What you must do is conduct a detailed analysis of ALL
>>>available facts and evidence.
>>>
>>
>>
>> That is not necessarily correct. The speed with which the towers fell
>> is not a theory, it is measurable fact from the many videos available.
>
>They are all guesses, no measurable fact....the base of the tower was
>hidden by a large dust cloud, but it is meaningless since every video
>clearly shows debris falling at "free fall speed" clear of the building
>fatr ahead of the tower collapse, prrof that the 911 kooker claims are
>false.
>
>> The effect of gravity on a falling body is fact. Put the 2 together,
>> add in conservation of energy, and the time in which the towers fell
>> would seem impossibly fast.
>
>Only to someone with little to no knowledge of building structures.
>
>>
>> The answer given that heat from fire weakened the structure just does
>> not cut it.
>
>Only to someone with little to no knowledge of building structures and
>buildign fires.
>
>>
>> How can you not expect conspiracy theories to occur, when this is the
>> official explanation.
>
>There are always a few at the wrong side of the bottom of the bell curve
>that will fall for such nonsense as the consipracy theories.
>

Fair enough.

You are obviously convinced the theorists are incorrect, and that your
view is correct.

Then prove it - prove you are right.

After all, you expect no less from them.

PS calling theorists kookers is not proof of your claims, it is just
being rude to others. Tangible facts would suit you better.


>>
>>
>>>>Too many do this on gut instinct, a feeling, call it what you will.
>>>
>>>I agree.
>>>
>>>
>>>>But without some basis of fact to back that theory, it is, (in your
>>>>own words), bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>You can say Alex Jones is incorrect, you can call him a conspiracy
>>>>theorist or nutcase - but at least, like him, back your statements
>>>>with facts.
>>>
>>>He doesn't back his statements with facts. He simply throws out random
>>>crap about the "Illuminati" and the "New World Order" and hopes to sell
>>>enough DVDs and t-shirts to pay his mortgage.
>>>He's been at it since long before 9/11.
>>>
>>>
>>>>This is something that you, unfortunately, do not appear to be able,
>>>>or want, to do.
>>>
>>>I have no desire to do it AGAIN. As I said, I've offered numerous facts
>>>in this forum over the years. Conspiracy theorists, including Alex
>>>Jones, seem to have a very difficult time coming up with anything new.
>>>Everything bad that happens anywhere is always blamed on the
>>>"Illuminati", "New World Order", "media controlling Zionists", or what
>>>have you. People such as Jones seem completely unable to accept the fact
>>>that there are actually people outside of the "global elite" that really
>>>want to kill us.
>>
>>
>> I have never heard him deny that there are other world problems, such
>> as the continued fight between Christianity, Islam and Judaism etc.
>>
>> His view looks past this to a controlling body, that is using
>> religious hate, aggression and greed as a tool to control the world.
>>
>> Granted that is one big picture, but I have never seen one fact that
>> proves his reports are incorrect.
>>
>> In point of view, the crisis in the middle east has been made by just
>> the elite he talks about.
>>
>> And that IS fact.

 

[BDK]

In article <uud59359emqp8ofv87lojcsgofh3oi0ikt@4ax.com>,
liam.oshea@yahoo.com.au says...
> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:47:03 -0400, BDK <BDK@shillsrus.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <1183989593.355434.202010@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> >liam.oshea@yahoo.com.au says...
> >> On Jul 9, 10:29 pm, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com> wrote:
> >> > liam.os...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
> >> > > On Jul 9, 11:24 am, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >>liamo'shea wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:12:54 -0500, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com>
> >> > >>>wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >>>>liamo'shea wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >>>>>On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 15:35:39 +0200, "CRxx" <s...@christine.demon.nl>
> >> > >>>>>wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >>>>>>"liamo'shea"
> >> >
> >> > >>>>>>>Would appear he did a hell of a lot better than the Government, FBI
> >> > >>>>>>>and the CIA did.
> >> >
> >> > >>>>>>>Give the man credit where credit is due.
> >> >
> >> > >>>>>>ROTFLMAO
> >> >
> >> > >>>>>>Christine!
> >> >
> >> > >>>>>So a couple of months before 911, Alex Jones is warning that an attack
> >> > >>>>>is coming.
> >> >
> >> > >>>>snip <more crap>
> >> >
> >> > >>>>Every day of every year there are poeple predicting
> >> > >>>>this thing or some other.
> >> >
> >> > >>>>Every once in a while one of them gets lucky and their
> >> > >>>>prediction comes true. They rush to take credit, while
> >> > >>>>the other millions of predictions are quickly forgotten
> >> > >>>>as should the lucky one have been as well.
> >> >
> >> > >>>If he was some nutcase soothsayer, I'd agree with you.
> >> >
> >> > >>>However, his research is tangible and valid.
> >> >
> >> > >>>And the attacks DID occur, didn't they?
> >> >
> >> > >>You're about as convincing asZook.- Hide quoted text -
> >> >
> >> > >>- Show quoted text -
> >> >
> >> > > Wow - what a comeback.
> >> >
> >> > > I'm sitting here literally stunned speechless by the intellect oozing
> >> > > from your reply.
> >> >
> >> > > How about adding a couple of facts to prove yourself correct as well.
> >> >
> >> > > That, combined with your previous einstonian retort, would have to be
> >> > > a winner.
> >> >
> >> > When the egg is rotten you throw it away without
> >> > further discussion. It seems you're part of that
> >> > class, along withzookand a pottyfull of others.
> >> >
> >> > <flush>- Hide quoted text -
> >> >
> >> > - Show quoted text -
> >>
> >> All you need do is prove your point of view - with a little thing
> >> called FACTS.
> >>
> >> Surely you can do that, can't you?
> >>
> >> Alex Jones sites facts and posts links for everyone to see and study.
> >> In fact he asks you to study them and come to your own conslusion -
> >> without any form of malice.
> >>
> >> Or could it be that you have never even seen them. Your views are
> >> simply that - your own gut instinct views.
> >>
> >> Sorry - but that just won't cut it in the real world.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Seems like you would be a perfect patsy for a medium to channel your
> >dead grandfather, and suck the cash right out of you. Alex Jones isn't
> >even in the same league as those con artists are.
> >
> >BDK
>
> So in other words I'm correct.
>
> You have no verifiable facts to back your own views.
>
> A continued attack on Alex Jones isn't going to make your 'gut
> instinct' views more plausible.
>
> Only verifiable facts will do that.
>
> And calling me a patsy doesn't help either - it just shows an immature
> attempt to avoid the issue (site facts to prove your statements).
>
> Got any?
>
>

LOL after years of this, I don't have the energy to cut and paste all
the posts shooting down the claims that the kooks have been making all
these years. Laughable claims. Some of them, impossible.

Patsy is being nice.

BDK

 

[BDK]

In article <iav593tjcgmn4pgighvdnl24udpmj3ostf@4ax.com>, US says...
> On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:37:36 +1000, "seon ferguson" <seon@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> >< US > wrote in message news:rjop83d5stkuqonfc3jvnbabfqtoppi7u8@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:11:58 +1000, "seon ferguson" <seon@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> >>>Just not laugh and joke like that. I mean he stayed in that room for 7
> >>>minutes, ignoring the questions that he could be a possible target the
> >>>least
> >>>he could do was end the photo op or something.
> >>
> >> His handlers had told him to 'look innocent'.
> >>
> >> What he displayed was his sociopathic indifference
> >> to the immense suffering and horrific deaths of humans.
> >
> >Yep thats not looking innocent to me. I agree Bush's actions in the school
> >room were staged.
>
> Well said: the 'staging' of that situation is telling in and of itself.
>
> Bush showed a totally abnormal reaction unless one considers
> the fact that he had been told to do what he did.
>

What exactly did you expect him to do?

Jump up and down like a monkey?

Scream?

Really, the guy is a clueless dolt, so he acted exactly as expected.

Like a deer caught in the headlights.

BDK

 

[BDK]

In article <c568c$4692d8ed$49e5dd1$19068@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
nonsense@unsettled.com says...
> BDK wrote:
>
> > In article <pr8493pfo9797m2g8fnqd7b1djcjf92qkq@4ax.com>, US says...
> >
> >>On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:26:04 +1000, "seon ferguson" <seon@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>< US > wrote in message news:mbnp83d01nmkl0393ska3kncsqkgdjllvi@4ax.com...
> >>>
> >>>>On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 00:14:29 -0500, "John P." <JohnP_Da_Bushkultie@MoronMe.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>If you think that is something new and exciting from the current
> >>>>>administration ...
> >>>>
> >>>>Nobody said that.
> >>>>
> >>>>You're saying that any wrong you ever even imagined
> >>>>anywhere else would justify all the wrongs you support.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>At least thats what some people in this group do like the right wing kooks
> >>>whom shall remain nameless.
> >>
> >>Oh, they'll start shrieking.
> >>
> >>When anyone objects to the crimes they support,
> >>they always start whimpering 'but someone else
> >>did something else' as if it'd justify their errors.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:16:39 -0400, BDK <BDK@shillsrus.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>...I would like to read ...
> >>
> >>But you're a right-wing kook, so your masters
> >>don't allow you to do that.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > LOL, if you had half a brain, you would have figured out I'm about as
> > big a lefty as there is.
> >
> > But you don't have half a brain.
> >
> > You poor kook.
>
> Left and right meet again off the chart.
>
>

LOL. Your handle is appropriate.

BDK

 

[liam o'shea]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 03:48:13 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:

>liam o'shea wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 01:09:32 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>liam o'shea wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:56:05 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>liam o'shea wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:53:45 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>liam.oshea@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Jul 9, 10:29 pm, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>liam.os...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On Jul 9, 11:24 am, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>liamo'shea wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 19:12:54 -0500, nonsense <nonse...@unsettled.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>liamo'shea wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 15:35:39 +0200, "CRxx" <s...@christine.demon.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"liamo'shea"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Would appear he did a hell of a lot better than the Government, FBI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and the CIA did.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Give the man credit where credit is due.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ROTFLMAO
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Christine!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So a couple of months before 911, Alex Jones is warning that an attack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is coming.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>snip <more crap>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Every day of every year there are poeple predicting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>this thing or some other.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Every once in a while one of them gets lucky and their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>prediction comes true. They rush to take credit, while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the other millions of predictions are quickly forgotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>>as should the lucky one have been as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>If he was some nutcase soothsayer, I'd agree with you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>However, his research is tangible and valid.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>And the attacks DID occur, didn't they?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You're about as convincing asZook.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Wow - what a comeback.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I'm sitting here literally stunned speechless by the intellect oozing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>from your reply.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>How about adding a couple of facts to prove yourself correct as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That, combined with your previous einstonian retort, would have to be
>>>>>>>>>>a winner.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>When the egg is rotten you throw it away without
>>>>>>>>>further discussion. It seems you're part of that
>>>>>>>>>class, along withzookand a pottyfull of others.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>><flush>- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>- Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>All you need do is prove your point of view - with a little thing
>>>>>>>>called FACTS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Surely you can do that, can't you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Alex Jones sites facts and posts links for everyone to see and study.
>>>>>>>>In fact he asks you to study them and come to your own conslusion -
>>>>>>>>without any form of malice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Horse ****.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I took the time to read many of the last couple of weeks posts made by
>>>>>>yourself - the majority slagging those who DARE to doubt the Official
>>>>>>911 Commission Report,
>>>>>
>>>>>Feel free to point out any time in the last couple of weeks that I've
>>>>>made any statement in support of the 9/11 Commission Report.
>>>>>I've said it before and I'll say it again: Countering a conspiracy
>>>>>theory does not mean one supports any alternative theory, it simply
>>>>>means I ain't buying your bullshit.
>>>>>It's not the "truth" movement vs the official reports, it's the "truth"
>>>>>movement vs reality.
>>>>>
>>>>>I slag those who question reality, reports be damned.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I didn't say you support the 911 Commission Report - I said you bag
>>>>others who doubt it.
>>>
>>>I don't care about the Commission Report (or any other report). When
>>>someone postulates a theory that is either ridiculous or outright wrong,
>>>I reserve the right to expose it as such.
>>>
>>>
>>>>In other words, those who do not agree with your own interpretation of
>>>>the event, are, in your interpretation, wrong.
>>>
>>>Correct.
>>>
>>
>> That is one hell of a statement for you to make to make - reeks a bit
>> of delusions of grandeur
>
>Fact of life that applies to everybody. You believe something to be true
>and by default you must consider those who think otherwise to be wrong.
>
>>>>And that is incorrect - because you don't supply facts, only a self
>>>>interpretation, which is worth about the same as anyone else with an
>>>>unproven, non factual theory.
>>>
>>>I've provided more facts in this forum over the last few years than
>>>every 9/11 conspiracy theorist combined.
>>>
>>>
>>>>To find the truth, you will have to take a risk and voice a theory,
>>>>which will be challenged, and you will risk being called a kook and
>>>>conspiracy nut.
>>>
>>>Therein lies the problem with conspiracy theorists - they state a theory
>>>and then start looking for evidence to support it.
>>>To find the truth, you don't have to take any risks at all or voice any
>>>type of theory. What you must do is conduct a detailed analysis of ALL
>>>available facts and evidence.
>>>
>>
>>
>> That is not necessarily correct. The speed with which the towers fell
>> is not a theory, it is measurable fact from the many videos available.
>
>All you can do is get an estimate, as the end of collapses is concealed
>inside the debris cloud.
>
>> The effect of gravity on a falling body is fact. Put the 2 together,
>> add in conservation of energy, and the time in which the towers fell
>> would seem impossibly fast.
>
>They didn't fall impossibly fast. Here's a picture of the south tower's
>collapse:
>http://paregoricspills.com/wtc/wtc44.jpg
>The large pieces of debris are in freefall. The still intact structure
>to the left is not. In order to claim the towers fell at or near
>freefall speed, you must believe that the falling debris in the above
>photo is being propelled downward. Believing that, you must then
>formulate a scientifically sound explanation for it.
>
You don't need to look at anything but the time it took the collapse
to start and to finish, which can be studied from the top of the
building. I don't think anyone really knows what happened during the
collapse, for the exact point you mentioned - it couldn't be seen.

>That's just one of the things that would be included in the "truth"
>movement's "official report", which is never going to be compiled
>because it would be the end of the revenue stream.
>
Do you think it is fair to combine those people with a genuine
question about the attack, with those who are gold diggers.

Not everyone with a question is a kook - give people a bit more credit
than that.

>> The answer given that heat from fire weakened the structure just does
>> not cut it.
>
>There was a little matter of structural damage as well, BUT... why
>doesn't heat from fire "cut it"? Do you think fire can't weaken steel?
>
The amount of fuel in the WTC was the equivalent to a kid urinating in
a swimming pool.

You know its there, but it is too small an amount to cause any damage.

>> How can you not expect conspiracy theories to occur, when this is the
>> official explanation.
>
>It's not the government's explanation that causes conspiracy theories,
>it's the intellectual capacity of the conspiracy theorists.
>
You mean like the JFK assassination - are you saying everyone who has
a doubt is a small minded kook?

>>>>Too many do this on gut instinct, a feeling, call it what you will.
>>>
>>>I agree.
>>>
>>>
>>>>But without some basis of fact to back that theory, it is, (in your
>>>>own words), bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>You can say Alex Jones is incorrect, you can call him a conspiracy
>>>>theorist or nutcase - but at least, like him, back your statements
>>>>with facts.
>>>
>>>He doesn't back his statements with facts. He simply throws out random
>>>crap about the "Illuminati" and the "New World Order" and hopes to sell
>>>enough DVDs and t-shirts to pay his mortgage.
>>>He's been at it since long before 9/11.
>>>
>>>
>>>>This is something that you, unfortunately, do not appear to be able,
>>>>or want, to do.
>>>
>>>I have no desire to do it AGAIN. As I said, I've offered numerous facts
>>>in this forum over the years. Conspiracy theorists, including Alex
>>>Jones, seem to have a very difficult time coming up with anything new.
>>>Everything bad that happens anywhere is always blamed on the
>>>"Illuminati", "New World Order", "media controlling Zionists", or what
>>>have you. People such as Jones seem completely unable to accept the fact
>>>that there are actually people outside of the "global elite" that really
>>>want to kill us.
>>
>>
>> I have never heard him deny that there are other world problems, such
>> as the continued fight between Christianity, Islam and Judaism etc.
>>
>> His view looks past this to a controlling body, that is using
>> religious hate, aggression and greed as a tool to control the world.
>
>I know. I also know it's a controlling body that exists entirely in his
>own mind.
>
Do you really think so?

Bush and half a dozen of his cronies pushed the patriot act through by
force, and undermined the American constitution.

Bush forced the world to go to war with his statement ' you are with
us, or you are with the terrorists'.

If that is not pushing, what is?

>> Granted that is one big picture, but I have never seen one fact that
>> proves his reports are incorrect.
>
>I have never seen one fact that proves Eglorps from the planet Neptar
>isn't really Dick Cheney's familiar.
>
>The idiot (Jones) predicted a major attack on US soil before the end of
>October 2006. In case you didn't notice, we didn't get attacked.
>If that's not a fact that proves one of his "reports" wrong, nothing
>will ever convince you.
>
I have never said Alex Jones is always correct - I have said that he
sites a trail for people to research, giving them the opportunity to
prove him wrong.

Out of interest, how do you know his report didn't stop the attack?

>> In point of view, the crisis in the middle east has been made by just
>> the elite he talks about.
>>
>> And that IS fact.
>
>No ****. He states it after it happens. Whoever wins the next election
>is going to, in Jones' mind, magically become a puppet of the
>"Illuminati New World Order Global Cabal" that wants to take over
>everything and enslave everyone for the sole purpose of taking over
>everything and enslaving everyone, and Bush will be forgotten.
>Meanwhile, back in reality, little peon Jones and his followers, simply
>by continuing to live and speak out, demonstrate that the "cabal"
>doesn't exist at all. If it did, and he were actually exposing them,
>he'd be dead.
>And THAT is a fact.

Actually, I have often wondered why, if he is correct, he hasn't he
been bumped off.

Perhaps the devil you know is better than the devil you don't