VENEZUELANS REJECT CHAVEZ'S PLANS! HEY LIEBERALS, ARE YOU PAYINGATTENTION???

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On Dec 3, 2:52 pm, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> jkraus1...@gmail.com (Jerry Kraus) wrote innews:a166cd02-c6c2-49db-ace1-82c5e1bb7c45@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Well,
>
> Why are you still reading my posts?
>
> After all, you just demanded that I "go away."
>
> --
> Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | b...@iphouse.com

Bert, will stop whining please?
 
stevelon@deletethisbitntlworld.com (SteveL) wrote in
news:daWdnb-aL52C8cnaRVnyggA@giganews.com:

> In the meantime. real dictators don't make excuses for defeat at
> the polls, they merely pretend they won.

Actually they do make such excuses and use them as a pretext to
ignore the results of the elections and take power by force in order
to save the nation.

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com
 
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:06:13 -0500, Mark Goldberg
<msgoldberg@optonline.net> wrote:

>You dumb pimp, you dumbass cross posting leftist... why am I not surprised?

So ,by your own criteria you must be a dumbass cross posting rightist?

You're keeping the group list of the original poster intact, just like
Kraus is. You're every bit as much a cross poster as he is.

I don't see you ripping the originator a new one for cross posting to
all those political non-martial arts groups.
 
Obviously he is putting you on. A moron and a wimp. Whadda combination.
 
On Dec 3, 2:56 pm, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:
> > Bert, go away. You're saying nothing, and you know it. Go off and
> > play.
>
> You have wandered into a newsgroup full of martial artists. For your own
> safety dont wander into any dojos.

Actually, people as stupid as you are don't frighten me much. Sorry
to disappoint. Although, it tends to explain your fascination with
violence.
 
If he holds another referdum and wins, I am quite sure the left will defend
him inspite of the stench from the ballot box. Let's hope you dont have to
defend him.
 
On Dec 3, 2:57 pm, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com (SteveL) wrote innews:daWdnb-aL52C8cnaRVnyggA@giganews.com:
>
> > In the meantime. real dictators don't make excuses for defeat at
> > the polls, they merely pretend they won.
>
> Actually they do make such excuses and use them as a pretext to
> ignore the results of the elections and take power by force in order
> to save the nation.
>
> --
> Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | b...@iphouse.com


When the U.S. restabilizes, so will the hemisphere, and to some extent
the world. Bush has created ripples of violence and extremism
throughout the world.
 
hcannon18@cox.net (Herbert Cannon) wrote in
news:ma_4j.1959$hO7.929@newsfe13.lga:

> Let's hope you dont have to defend him.

I hope so too; if he expects me to defend him, he'll be waiting in
the cold for a long time.

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com
 

> The only question that remains is whether you'll remain an entertaining
> troll like several of our RMA regulars or if you'll simply be boring and
> soon find your way into everyone's killfile.

I vote for the kill file. Hal does a much better job, owns a gun; and,
maybe, Hal can even punch someone. This guy is a real wimp.
 
On 03 Dec 2007 20:56:50 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:

>stevelon@deletethisbitntlworld.com (SteveL) wrote in
>news:daWdnb-aL52C8cnaRVnyggA@giganews.com:
>
>> You guys keep taking attributes of western democracies and their
>> politicians and pretending that when Chavez behaves in just those
>> ways that's actual evidence that he's behaving like a dictator.
>
>What officeholders in contemporary "western democracies" are actively
>nationalizing private industry?

Why does it have to be "contemporary"? The UK, France, Sweden, Canada
have all nationalized industries only a generation ago. They were not
dictatorships.

At least I'm sure the UK Labour party would beg to differ.

>
>Besides, is "But Mommy! They did it TOOOOO!" really the sort of
>national platform we should admire?

You're morphing the subject there.
 
On Dec 3, 3:00 pm, SteveL <steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:06:13 -0500, Mark Goldberg
>
> <msgoldb...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >You dumb pimp, you dumbass cross posting leftist... why am I not surprised?
>
> So ,by your own criteria you must be a dumbass cross posting rightist?
>
> You're keeping the group list of the original poster intact, just like
> Kraus is. You're every bit as much a cross poster as he is.
>
> I don't see you ripping the originator a new one for cross posting to
> all those political non-martial arts groups.

I have no idea why this topic is on a martial arts site, myself.
Although there are some quite interesting loons here. Including
professional writers who failed grade six grammar, and never learned
it in later life! I guess morons would have quite a large market for
their ideas though. Makes sense when you think about it.
 
On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 15:03:11 -0600, "Herbert Cannon"
<hcannon18@cox.net> wrote:

>
>If he holds another referdum and wins, I am quite sure the left will defend
>him inspite of the stench from the ballot box.

Well you guys are currently attacking him inspite of the distinct
lack of a stench from the ballot box.
 
stevelon@deletethisbitntlworld.com (SteveL) wrote in
news:CKednfZEEsKU7cnaRVnyuQA@giganews.com:

> On 03 Dec 2007 20:56:50 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:
>
>>stevelon@deletethisbitntlworld.com (SteveL) wrote in
>>news:daWdnb-aL52C8cnaRVnyggA@giganews.com:
>>
>>> You guys keep taking attributes of western democracies and their
>>> politicians and pretending that when Chavez behaves in just those
>>> ways that's actual evidence that he's behaving like a dictator.
>>
>>What officeholders in contemporary "western democracies" are
>>actively nationalizing private industry?
>
> Why does it have to be "contemporary"?

Because if it was done in the past, the states in question saw the
error of their ways, or had it pointed out to them, and got over it.

> The UK, France, Sweden, Canada have all nationalized industries
> only a generation ago. They were not dictatorships.

State control of the economy is an important aspect of any
totalitarian regime. It's also an important aspect of an
authoritarian regime that has its eye on bigger things.

In fact, state control of the economy is one of the few "legitimate"
platforms in fascist or socialist states; the prison camps just come
about as a side-effect.

> At least I'm sure the UK Labour party would beg to differ.
>
>>
>>Besides, is "But Mommy! They did it TOOOOO!" really the sort of
>>national platform we should admire?
>
> You're morphing the subject there.

You're the guy who appears to be trying to excuse Chavez's behavior,
claiming that other "western democracies" behave the same way.

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com
 
On Dec 3, 3:12 pm, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com (SteveL) wrote innews:CKednfZEEsKU7cnaRVnyuQA@giganews.com:
>
> > On 03 Dec 2007 20:56:50 GMT, Bert Hyman <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>
> >>steve...@deletethisbitntlworld.com (SteveL) wrote in
> >>news:daWdnb-aL52C8cnaRVnyggA@giganews.com:
>
> >>> You guys keep taking attributes of western democracies and their
> >>> politicians and pretending that when Chavez behaves in just those
> >>> ways that's actual evidence that he's behaving like a dictator.
>
> >>What officeholders in contemporary "western democracies" are
> >>actively nationalizing private industry?
>
> > Why does it have to be "contemporary"?
>
> Because if it was done in the past, the states in question saw the
> error of their ways, or had it pointed out to them, and got over it.
>
> > The UK, France, Sweden, Canada have all nationalized industries
> > only a generation ago. They were not dictatorships.
>
> State control of the economy is an important aspect of any
> totalitarian regime. It's also an important aspect of an
> authoritarian regime that has its eye on bigger things.
>
> In fact, state control of the economy is one of the few "legitimate"
> platforms in fascist or socialist states; the prison camps just come
> about as a side-effect.
>
> > At least I'm sure the UK Labour party would beg to differ.
>
> >>Besides, is "But Mommy! They did it TOOOOO!" really the sort of
> >>national platform we should admire?
>
> > You're morphing the subject there.
>
> You're the guy who appears to be trying to excuse Chavez's behavior,
> claiming that other "western democracies" behave the same way.
>
> --
> Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | b...@iphouse.com

Most socialist states do not have "prison camps" Bert. And one could
argue that the U.S. does. Almost one percent of the entire U.S.
population is currently institutionalized, and almost three percent
are under some kind of judicial control

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_prison_population

This is far higher than any other country in the world, including
China. I realize that right-wing loons don't like hearing facts of
this type, but they are relevant. Capitalism breeds Gulags just as
well as Communism, if not better. And much better than democratic
socialism, which is the type of society we are currently moving
towards. Chavez seems to have communist leanings, but that is
because he fears the U.S./Mexican model. Communism is preferable to
that, of course. If you want to avoid communism, you will have to
accept democratic socialism. You may not like it, but you have no
choice.
 
On 03 Dec 2007 21:12:47 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:


>> You're morphing the subject there.
>
>You're the guy who appears to be trying to excuse Chavez's behavior,
>claiming that other "western democracies" behave the same way.

What "behavior"? Holding a fair referendum?

That's what I'm commenting on. I see a bunch of people attacking the
man for holding and losing a referendum, and implying (or worse)
that none of this matters. That win or lose he deserves to go down.

As for the rest. He's been elected. If he has a mandate from the
people to nationalize his country's industries then so be it. That's
democracy.

If they refuse to grant him that mandate then so be it. I'm in favor
of that too. That's democracy.
 
stevelon@deletethisbitntlworld.com (SteveL) wrote in
news:boGdnQ0j2YvG7snanZ2dnUVZ8uydnZ2d@giganews.com:

> As for the rest. He's been elected. If he has a mandate from the
> people to nationalize his country's industries then so be it.
> That's democracy.

Could that be done in our "democracy", or do you think that the
constitution might be an impediment? Do you think it should be an
impediment?

Minus the restrictions imposed by such a document, a democracy is
nothing but a self-serving mob. Or more often, a mob put into service
of someone who claims to be its sole representative.

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com
 
"Jerry Kraus" <jkraus1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1304773c-713a-41a8-bc08-e3b3fa927956@x69g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 3, 2:56 pm, "Herbert Cannon" <hcanno...@cox.net> wrote:
>> > Bert, go away. You're saying nothing, and you know it. Go off and
>> > play.
>>
>> You have wandered into a newsgroup full of martial artists. For your own
>> safety dont wander into any dojos.
>
> Actually, people as stupid as you are don't frighten me much.

Sonny, people as dumb as you frighten me a lot. If you get your way, I see
a nation of enslaved wimps.
Sorry
> to disappoint. Although, it tends to explain your fascination with
> violence.
Aww how touching a Mr. Non violent. You gonna march around the block with a
candle and chant take back the night next. Did anyone ever tell you that
when sheep flock together wolves are not frightened.
 
> If you want to avoid communism, you will have to
> accept democratic socialism. You may not like it, but you have no
> choice.

Actually, we do have a choice. You may not like that we have a
choice, but that changes nothing.
 

>
> I have no idea why this topic is on a martial arts site, myself.

I am really puzzled how a wimp like you showed up here.

> Although there are some quite interesting loons here.

Yeah we have some left wing loons here too; however, I am quite certain
they could whip your butt in a heartbeat.

Including
> professional writers who failed grade six grammar, and never learned
> it in later life!

Took your lunch money from you?

I guess morons would have quite a large market for
> their ideas though.

You do? Where?

Makes sense when you think about it.
Not a thing you have been spouting has made any sense so far.
 

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