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Wow, just wow. Attacking a certain set of beliefs in politics is one thing, going completely off the deep end to make such nasty comments about someone you don't even know is something completely different. I detest what Obama is doing to the Nation, but I do not hate the man himself just because he has a different set of beliefs as I do. I am constantly confused at the capacity for hate some people have.

America was never meant to be operated on a principle of "mob rule". You keep dodging my questions. Can you admit that even the Canadian suppreme court found that waiting lines were killing Canadians? You debate from an absense of facts and rely on emotional urges for taking care of the lazy as if that alone is a good enough reason to ignore the fact that government controlled healthcare equals worse medical care for everyone like people pulling their own teeth from home because they can't wait 6 months with the pain and no treatment.

This brings to mind the old "damned if you do, damned if you don't" concept. Sarah has truly demanded the attention of most Americans from one degree or the other. If she was really as bad as her opponents love to claim they would not be spending so much time trying to put her down, you only do that with someone who you fear or hate, and why would any smart person waste their life on hate? It seems to me those acting this way prove something profound about themselves instead of making any real headway against Sarah. To a certain extent I can see where some are going with the "spreading the wealth" agruement but I see a world of difference between Alaskans getting a share of the oil being taken from "their" State and Obama taking money from everyone in the United States to buy votes and support the lazy. The oil being extracted from the ground belongs to the people of Alaska, why shouldn't they get a share of the profit? I am sorry guys but this is a night and day situation, there is no way you can compare Obama's "spread the wealth" to Alaska's program to make a profit off of their own possession. I suppose you think a farmer selling the corn off his farm to a big company who will process that corn into another product is the same thing too.......right?

I said yes, just like the doctors who you feel should also be electricians and stuff because you and the Government feel they do not deserve to make much money. It works both ways you know. If you say doctors do not deserve to earn a living after so much education and training, why do people who lost their job and no medical training deserve handouts? You lost your job, too bad, get out there and find a new one. Get new skills, find your own way. If an idiot like me can do it, anyone can, there is no excuse to be unemployed. I have been put all the way to the ground twice, completely starting over from nothing. I never asked for handouts because as a man I am responsible for myself. You speak of how you believe the weak should die to make the whole stronger, well they are the weak, sink or swim. I do not think there should be any welfare at all. If you can't feed yourself and your family does not care enough about you to take care of you then you do not deserve to survive.

You want to lend more weight to the small coverage than was there so that is what your mind "wants" to remember but the coverage was very soft for Obama: . No, I have no issue with that, just pointing out that Obama is all makeup and practiced grace, when you catch him outside of his practiced facade, he screws up. So far he has borken most of his campaign promses from who he said he would not allow in his cabinet to things like having bills ready for public viewing before they are voted on to his promise to find bipartisan solutions to everythign then once he got power he ignored these promises. And had the full support from all media because they were all telling lies long before Fox even came to be, please stop pretending. Please, I have no reason to lie, just google what you want to find, I do not deal well with the lazy, the link I gave you has lots of studies on how the media reported in certain ways at different times like this study on how the 2008 election was covered: Winning the Media Campaign | Project for Excellence in Journalism (PEJ) Take some time and look around before you just assume it is bad. I knew you would not take the time to actually look around so why take my time to post links you will not look at anyway? Nice dodge of what you know you can't refute. Again you contradict yourself, if a deficit is bad for one group, it is bad for all. Obama wasted more tax money in two months of office than Bush spent in both Afganistan "AND" Iraq over 7 years.........so Obama is clearly jumping off the cliff.

Well he is an orthopedic surgeon and that is very difficult work. While he is not specifically trained in open heart surgery, he would be a better choice over a guy with no medical training. So what is your point? My point is anyone who is a doctor has worked very hard to reach that point where they can be doctors, and your saying they do not deserve to get a better return on their investment in education and training than to make 150k a year? I notice you again dodged another point I brought up about the wide stance needed by private insurance companies to stay in business, something you failed to account for? Obviously losing such a massive amount of their customer base will drive them out of business and any doctor who respects himself will not stay in a field where there is no possibility to earn a decent living......just like what is now happening in Canada.......and that shortage of doctors in Canada is another point you refuse to address.......as well as the Canadian suppreme court also admitting that the Canadian system is killing Canadians.......

Yes, just like your saying doctors do not deserve to make higher wages and should get new skills and different jobs to make what their worth, why can't you assign that same requirement to everyone? Go out and earn what you want, Bender, how much of what you have today was given to you for free?

Look, if your going to be so completely dishonest there really is no way to get through to you. There was no coverage as your describing, none, any claim by you that it did proves your just making stuff up. Your gonna try to fly that after the 100% set up "town meeting" just happened? Please. Obama has messed up so many times in unscripted events like this they are now not allowing Obama to do them anymore. Now every question must be prescreened and a reply worked out ahead of time, and I bet you can't even say anything bad about that either can you? In for a penny, in for a pound, that is the liberal way right? No lies, maybe a few mistakes but that hardly takes millions of viewers right? Your liberals are turning to Fox to watch the programming, that is making Fox billions of dollars, all these people would not being doing that if they hated Fox.....so try again. lol, no Bender, all the answers do not come from one place, you have to look around. I use many places like factcheck and even skewz can be a good place to get a big picture of many stories and how the general public see them. In 2005 a guy named Tim Groseclose from ucla did a study where he proved the media bias. "Overall, the major media outlets are quite moderate compared to members of Congress, but even so, there is a quantifiable and significant bias in that nearly all of them lean to the left," Sense then many other studies have been done, I like this one a lot Project for Excellence in Journalism (PEJ) | Understanding News in the Information Age They covered the 2008 election and found massive disparity in the number of positive stories for Obama and the negative stories about everyone else. Oh, so lower deficits spent on conservative things is bad, much, much bigger deficits spent on social engineering programs is okay.....very open minded of you......... What the money is spent on is meaningless if we bankrupt our Nation. Sooner or later China will stop buying our debt, the Euro will replace the USD as the World currency because Obama is devaluing the dollar faster then anyone ever thought possible. Look at California, they are talking about shutting down their parks now.

Anyone who does not have health insurance is just lazy anyway. Anyone with motivation and a strong work ethic can and will succeed. None of us here with good jobs and insurance had it given to us, we all had to earn it, even Bender. Why suddenly people think the lazy and unmotivated deserve to have everything in life handed to them for free I have no idea. I got what I have from hard work, tell the poor to do what I did and they will have what I have......simple really, but that would not buy votes now would it?

What are you talking about? This makes no sense. A doctor is already highly trained and skilled, you want him to be an electrician too or something? Work two jobs because the government looks down on healthcare professionals? Again, where does this stuff come from? No, there is not to be any limits for levels of care the Government insurance will support. It is to be a general health insurance plan like any other, just run by the Government so they do not have to make a profit. Do you know how insurance works? They cover a wide range of people and services so some use a lot and some use a little. There is a wide stance of customers with various policies so the insurance company can make a profit. If you completely erase 3/4 of their customer base, there is no way the insurance companies will be able to stay in business with such a tiny segment of the business. They will no longer have lots of policies and people to spread out the costs so anything they will have to offer will be extremely expensive. The same is true for doctors. They stay in business by seeing lots of patients. If you suddenly reduce the amount of money they can collest from the average patient, you will erase the ability to pay their bills and as IWS pointed out, their malpractice insurance will still be very expensive so who in their right mind would want to work so hard to make very little money? Again, what are you talking about? His skills are learned, just like anyone, do you think a mechanic just knows everything instantly? My Brother in law owns his own practice, he is paid by treating people. If you cut all the payouts for treatments in half or less he will no longer be in business. So much for Obama wanting to create jobs, he is even crippling the jobs we have.

Because it didn't happen. None of those Networks ran the Wright stuff very much, sure at first and a couple token airings of the video but that was only to keep people from all turning to Fox. I gave you examples too, like the health "debate" Obama had and these sold out liberal networks just do whatever he tells them to do. Well they are not debunking much if what your saying here is an example of your debunking, lol. Like they really want to give Fox billions of dollars from advertisers because of them all watching the shows........right. No I turn to unbised media watch groups that count how many positive reports compared to negative reports each Network does of things like the health bill and Obama in general. All but Fox have been showing Obama a 87% or higher positive twist to their story lineup and veer away from anything that shows Obama or his policies in a bad light. Nope, just difficult for you too see with your blinders on. Then why the bragg about Clinton having a surplus and Bush having a deficit. If your saying Obama's much, much worse deficit is fine then so was Bush's much smaller one.....right? Or do you practice double standards for Liberals/socialists?

And I am sure you have never asked for a raise, looked for a better job than the one you have or anything like that Bender........right? You work for 8 bucks an hour and never expect more than that because of your training, dedication or superior skills......right? Well I believe we all know better than that Bender. Your so fast to say Doctors, insurance companies and nurses do not deserve their pay but do you always select the lest expensive person as your doctor? How about your mechanic? Do you use the dirt floor shop outside of town or a reputable shop that costs more? How about computer work? Should people select any idiot that has a sign that says computer repair? Well that is what we will get with this proposal, cut rate doctors who do not have enough on the ball to go find a job that will pay them what their worth. Again, look to Canada, they have a huge shortage of doctors and nurses because the job pays nowhere near what it should considering the hard work these people must do. My brother in law is a doctor and he has spent over 12 years in college courses combined with all his follow up schooling he has had to do. Your saying that he does not deserve to earn more than a 150k a year?

All tired stuff Bender, you can't complain about Fox, the small time Network all on it's own against the purely Democratic controlled ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, and CNN. They all do way more twisting and lies in one day then Fox could ever do in a thousand years.....just look at the pandering way they are treating his healthcare bill and how you never hear anything negative about the cap and trade bill that is going to increase costs to the poor for basic needs like power many times over. So the other Networks are so boring and corrupt they cannot stand to even look at the shows? Pretty sad, from my point of view, watching nothing would be better I would imagine if these guys were really thinking it was horse crap. Clearly they are not doing that, obviously even the liberals are tired of the way these big players have all sold their souls to the Democratic party and stopped reporting the news. Again, it is pretty bad that Hillery got more fair and open treatment on Fox than any of the other Networks, that proves they have sold out. Actually I do give Clinton credit for that. Do you think Obama is going to have a surplus after all this deficit spending he is pushing? We are already out of money, and Obama wants to dig the hole way, way deeper without a way to pay for it. Obama is on track to quadruple the hole he "inherited" from Bush, is that an improvement in your eyes?

It has depressed him so much he will have to take his wife on a date again to get over it....nothing like blowing a few hundred thousand taxpayer's dollars in one night to cheer you up.....right?

What is interesting is to see how Obama's direct control over everything not Fox is chafing some of the reporters in the field. Many of them while also very Liberal also have a notion that they are the reporters and should be the people deciding what questions to ask and when. Obama is simply jumping over that layer of reporters and going directly to the bosses who are in bed with Obama and his agenda so the reporters are standing outside in the cold.....and this is the first time in history a President has been able to disreguard the "in the field" reporters. I wonder how long it will take before the reporters try to do something about it and I would give just about anything to be a fly on the wall when they do

Again you love to try and make what I say sound larger than it really is. You keep trying to drag up supposed comments by me putting down women in general but again, read what I said. I started with a fact that single, never married women are the fastest growing segment of society. This is fact so I see no reason to be upset over me stating fact. Then I offered a premise that maybe some of these women who cannot keep a man might show some jealousy tword a woman who can........is that really that much of a reach Ali? You claim I will drive away you and other women but why Ali? It seems to me most of what your getting upset over is your own assumptions and words you insert into my mouth so if you learn to just see what I actually say and not read more into it than is actually there you will not have so many issues. Your problem is your doing exactly what so many women do......your holding onto a grudge. We did not get along well at the jungle and you refuse to let go of your anger. Your fitting into the typical female bahavior in that link IWS posted where it talks of women who hate for eternity and never let hard feelings go. I have gone out of my way to try and get along with you, even played and joked in the timesjoke thread in my way of showing you that I do not ever hold grudges and I am willing to start from scratch if other people are also willing. The question is now....are you willing? Can you let it go? Can you stop letting your issues add poo to the game? When you said you had never insulted Sarah in a personal way I said you did not fit into anything I have said then.......so why are you still so sore? My hand is out to you, can you take it?

Nice post IWS and a great example. If Obama wants to remove the money out of the medical fields, who will want to be a Doctor? Canada has been having massive shortages for doctors for over ten years. They are estimated to be about 10,000 doctors short in their 5 year plan so they have relaxed immigration standards for foreign doctors to come to Canada and take doctor jobs Canadians do not want. The same will happen to America, why would anyone go to college and grind out a medical degree just to have a net income of $150,000 after paying out your insurance? Highly educated doctors are to be reduced to lower middle class by the Obama administration?

The problem is they know their proposals are garbage, so they have to create false events like this to offer the illusion of transparancy but the reality of a set stage and rehersed replies. They had days to select questions based on Obama's ability to respond in a favorable way. The media is being used by Obama, and it is refresing to see that some of the die hard liberal reporters like Helen Thomas is starting to notice that things are completely different with this President in the area of media control than any other President in history. But why?????? Because they handed him the control of their Networks during his campaign and now he is not letting go of that control.

More like a few smacks on the rear instead, America is getting the grudge version, not the soft loving version.

Well I wonder what your source is for that, but it is a fact that Hillary got more fair treatment during her campaign from Fox than any other Network out there. The big Networks all wanted Obama to win so they were not shy about busting down everyone else even fellow Liberls in order to do everything they could to help Obama.......just like now. While they are certainly more conservative leaning, Fox in not "in the can" for anyone to that point, maybe they will get that bad one day like the other Networks, but they are still babies on the market compared to the big Networks and beating them in many of the most valuable ratings so they must be doing something right. So Bender, if what you say is true and the unbiased liberals are now turning to Fox for their news and such, what does that tell you about how badly corrupt the Democrat controlled Networks of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and MSNBC really are? One thing nice about the Liberals/Socialists getting full control is they can stop pretending everything is Bush's fault. Bush had a majority Congress as liberals so hardly any of this mess is really his doing anyway but now the Liberals own all brances of Government, they have nobody but themselves to blame.

The problem is societies cannot exist without at least the framework of a shared faith principle. Rome first started falling apart when they tried to change their faith and were split between old and new religions. Politics, and declined morals followed and the fall of Rome was done, all domino effect from the loss of shared religion. Hitler pretended to have religion until he had full control of his Nation then he admitted he was an atheist and even though they became powerful, it was not enough to keep them from imploding after they turned away from religious morals. Pol pot, Stalin, Mao Zedong, all of these mass murderers were driven by their lack of religious beliefs to provide strong morals and keep them from doing such horrible things. Right now the only people who will go to places like Rwanda just because it is the right thing to do is Christians. You have never heard of an atheist group doing anything like that, but you will find thousands of them mocking prayers at a church or fighting over a nativity display during Christmas, now there is some great concern for society. Face it, while I can prove millions of great things religious people do for community and mankind like soup kitchens and food banks as well as missions to places like Rwanda, Athiests cannot point to one single thing they have ever done for community and mankind, not one. There is the real problem........selfishness, that is the only product an atheist offers society, and I give them credit, their offering has been spreading like wild fire all over the place. The negatives some claim about religion are things like the crusades but digging deep we see only about 100k to 200k people died from the crusades but Pol Pot caused the death of almost 2 million people by himself, all under the name of pushing the atheist agenda. No, religion is not the cause of major problems in the world, an atheist with an army is the most harmful element this world has ever seen.

lol, I am sure your not nieve enough to believe Fox is the only network that twists stories. Fox is the new kid on the block and the other networks have been doing this for as long as I can remember. ABC, NBC, and CBS on top of CNN and MSNBC have all been in Obama's pocket for over a year and refuse to say anything negative about him, some have been twisting the truth about his health care and cap and trade deals from square one because they are all now no longer news agencies but instead extensions of the Democratic party. An interesting side to that though, all these networks that have given up reporting news and turned into part of the Democrat party have terrible ratings on their news programs, I wonder why, lol.

I notice you refuse to even try to address the facts Bender, and there is the problem. Can't you even admit the point of how the Canadian suppreme court said the same thing? That the long waiting lists were killing Canadians? Imagine this, you injure your knee, it is not life and death but your in severe pain and cannot work. Can you really wait two years for treatment? Can you afford not to work? That is the Canadian system in a nutshell. Your refusal to admit that some emergency care cases are even shipped to America because they do not have the capacity is because you cannot defend the problems that your plan offers all people. Once it is free, nobody respects it, I don't care what it is, if you give it away for free it will be abused. You ever hear the old saying "You get what you pay for"?

There is no contradiction to what I have said. I clearly say I am only talking about the women who have an "unreasonable" hatred and I also say you may be downplaying how many there are......but I "NEVER" said all women, that comes only from you and your need to insert things I never said into the conversation to give you excuses to get upset. Well you want to be offended so you simply make up things I never said to be upset about....there is absolutely nothing I can do about what you do inside your own mind to delude yourself. I love and respect women more then 99% of the male population I can gurantee you that. I was raised to respect women by my mother "AND" my father both from direct instruction and from example. Just because I call a spade a spade without being concerned with being PC, that does not mean I think women are lesser beings than me or less deserving of respect. If your idea of showing women respect is to lie or turn a blind eye to reality then there is nothing I can do about that. Then your not included in anything I have said about women showing an unreasonable hatred of Sarah....why are you so upset?

Yep, I will gladly let the Government fill up my vehicles with gas, the 350 alone costs a fortune to fill up, but I only use it when pulling one of several trailers these days. I will also take a hug, as Ali says, Obama is sexy.