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Totally crazy, and exactly what defines this President as someone who does everything in his power to not enforce our immigration laws. Why? Why would any President do this? Even the more radical liberals on this forum have agreed that going after the employers is the way to go and yet how do we go after employers if at the same time Obama is going to sue those employers for asking? Catch 22?

looks at Times So, uh...didn't we already prove it's illegal? Thought we did. Also, Ryans, is the two weeks when your Russian kiddie porn dealer is going to post your bail? I have no real idea what he think he will come back with in two weeks unless he will use that time to comb through the internet for all the great comments supporting the right to have/display kiddie porn then come back here to copy/paste their words being as his was too inferior to get the job done to his satisfaction. To me the legal system has been hijacked by lawyers looking to make a lot of money from the confusion they created. The legal system was never intended to protect scum who have expensive lawyers, it was intended to create a solid foundation for safe and responsible comunities. Today not only have we turned our backs on personal responsibility, but we have also lost our comunities in the majority of towns. Today it is all about what we can get away with.......a real shame.

That, my friend, is conspiracy lunacy 101. Get a grip, TJ. Hey pot, I'm kettle, says the 9/11 truther. I always have a difficult time keeping that kind of thing straight, is Builder one of the people who believe Bush was a master mind who was so brilliant he ordered 9/11 to be done just to give him an excuse to wage wars and for not one piece of evidence or one person to come out and leak this to the press? I mean Bill Clinton could not get away with a blowj0b from miss piggy but these guys think Bush was that good? Really? I thought even the 'man caused global warming' wackos were smart enough to see how that was already proven to be impossible. If Builder is "one of those" kind of crazy people, no wonder he is such a radical progressive, does he only use one sheet of toilet paper as well? I mean, that is what good humans do these days......Using more would be irresponsible to the world.

Proof? Really? You really want to go there? Are you that uninformed or do you have a list of premade excuses for all his broken promises you got from Media Matters ready? Let's talk about a couple and see how you do, I can offer more if you seem you can handle the first couple: ---The biggest lie, no new taxes for anyone who makes less than $250,000. I believe one of his first actions was to raise cigarette taxes 159%. The average smoker has an income around 30k so right there is a clear broken promise but we have more, his cap and tax bill will increase taxes on every American, and let's not forget the new healthcare bill that under litigation to fight it Obama says they can "tax" interstate commerce, and let's see, in the new healthcare bill there is new taxes on big insurance policies (Only Union Members are exempt from that new tax) and even a new tax on gold coin sales: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/gold-coin-dealers-decry-tax-law/story?id=11211611 New taxes imposed on people making less than $250,000? Hell, there is even new taxes on using tanning beds. http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/24/news/economy/tanning_tax/ Do you believe only people who make $250,000 use tanning beds? ---"we’re going to do all the negotiations on C-SPAN, So the American people will be able to watch.” Did we see the back room deals for Unions on c-span joker? Did we see the backroom details for the many deals to members of congress? 99% of this was done behind closed doors and to quote Brian Lamn (ceo c-span) “The only time we’ve been allowed to cover the White House part of it was one hour inside the East Room, which was kind of just a show horse type of thing.” ---“what I've done throughout this campaign is to propose a net spending cut.” Under Obama the net spending has increased by 2 trillion dollars. ---"will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days." Do I really have to explain that one? Let's see how you respond to this.....

That, my friend, is conspiracy lunacy 101. Get a grip, TJ. Really? I gave you some examples like taking over GM, setting aside contract law to reward the UAW and imposing their orders on how it will be run, the control of the banks and how they are pushing for the power to take over any company "they feel" needs to be taken over, that is not conspiracy, that is fact Builder. One step at a time, right Builder? What percentage of control must a Government have over these things for you to say we are already leaning socialist? In my opinion, creating massive legislation that spells out every move of an industry is the same thing as owning the industry. Call it a puppet industry for a better description....and Obama has the strings in his hands. I will ask you the same question I asked Joker, can you name one industry in America that is not severely regulated and either directly or indirectly controlled by the Federal Government?

Wanna make a wager that the terrorist monument does not get built on ground zero as planned?

Sexual insult? Really? What script? Are you gonna fall on the sword that "Bush did it" for everything? Did Bush set aside contract law and give the UAW ownership of GM or did Obama do that Builder? When will Obama and you blind followers ever hold him accountable for his direct actions? Girls? More attempts at insults? That is all you guys have, insults and claims that we only oppose these actions because Obama is black.

Another great example of how the progressives believe a conservative does not care about people if they are not spending money on free handouts, money we don't have to spend...... Thanks Builder for making it very clear that the only thing progressives care about is handouts, lol. By the way, I love the ending, Hard Work Hard Work Hard Work Can you name a private sector job Obama has worked "hard" at? Any private sector job? Or has he forever been sucking on tax funds for his existence?

While your trying to be slick, your closer to the truth than you know, that change of color implies a greater connection to their progressive agenda to push "social Justice" legislation. And if you agree with it, why are the progressives spending even more of this money we don't have? While that is a big example, there are millions of other examples as well, all showing how progressives have no real respect for money, they run out, no biggie, just increase taxes again. Tell me this, is the employee more screwed with a job or without a job? Yes, one of the big factors in California is they are one huge Union, they try to force employeers to provide more and more services and pay to employees and give over more control of their companies to the employees but all of these things also cost money, it is another form of tax. If the Government taxes a dollar or they force the company to spend a dollar, it is still considered a imposed tax on business for the bottom line. California slowly milks every drop of money out of the business and eventually either drives them away, puts them out of business, or they make the untimate sacrifice and give the company away to the employees as Obama has given GM to the Unions. The kind of retreat California is seeing will happen to all of America if we are not careful. Actuallu it is already happening, almost all of the production jobs we have lost is because of pressure from Unions to offer more benefits and pay while Government was increasing regulations and imposing more restrictions on these businesses. Combined it caused the companies to consider relocating to places that were not so hostile to them.

You have to pay attention, I said I was basing this on current political trends, not their definitions. Progressives were all behind this free healthcare deal, they have taken over most of the car industry and the banking industry, the slow steps of the progressives are to have the Federal Government eventually own or strictly control everything in America, that my friend is socialist. Name one area of American life that is not regulated or touched by the Federal Government Joker? Give me an example of a progressive cutting spending on a social program in recent years. I can't think of an example myself, but I can think of things like this new entitlement where people get free healthcare in America just for being in America. Sounds pretty progressive right? And passed exclusively by progressives/liberals/socialists...... What? Please take the time to actually read what I post so you don't have to run down the wrong street of conversation. Progressives pretend they pass all these entitlements because they care about the poor and they claim conservatives do not support the programs because we hate the poor. My comment was that we care too, but we balance our care with the reality that money is not endless, it has limits, and we have to be responsible enough to stay within those limits. And right now we do tax the rich at 50% of their income while most Americans pay nothing in federal tax. If you truly believe all Americans should pay a "fair share" of taxes then you should be a conservative. You mean like free healthcare? I have no problem at all with a government maintaining a system of roads, having a standing military, and governing foreign trade, etc... but there is no foundation under the Constitution for the Federal Government to try and force "Social Justice" on America. We are promised equal opportunity, not equal results. The progressives, liberals/socialists want to create one huge daycare center where everyone is protected and safe while they run the daycare as they see fit. A business does not pay taxes in reality. Taxes fall under the "cost of doing business". They place that in the column of overhead and add that cost into their price of goods or services to the consumer. So when you raise business taxes, you raise taxes on those people who do business with that company. Consumers pay all taxes on business.

Imam Feisal also said he blamed America for 9/11 and he refuses to call groups like Hamas terrorists because he will not take sides. He is exactly why these terrorists exist in the world, because so called "moderate" Muslims refuse to directly stand up against them. If this is the best "moderate" America can find then what about all the other so called "moderates" who are not as good as this guy? And yes hugo, I do believe the Government, on some level should stop this terrorist monument from being built. As I already pointed out, thing like eminent domain have been used to take away private property and hand it to another person millions of times. If taking away land to give it to someone else like Donald Trump is considered reasonable, helping one man get more millions in this way is okay, why is it wrong to follow the will of the people and block the construction of this terrorist monument? Ever hear the term "Al-Taqiyah" hugo, how about Builder and Joker, or even Bender? Muslims have been masters at infiltration and counterintelligence long before America was even thought of. As I keep saying, you guys operate under the assumption that terrorists and such are honest about their intentions and why they kill babies. We are infidels, any form of lie or attack is allowed and even commanded under their faith. By the way IWS, nice how you busted Bender, you proved Media Matters is biased and after the proof is set before him, he refuses to admit the facts. That right there proved he is brainwashed to only believe what he is told to believe. Bravo......

And why exactly did the UAW get the free gift of part ownership of the company while those with actual secured loans were told to piss off by Obama? Did that have anything to do with the fact that many of these people who had the secured loans were not Obama supporters? This entire mess was all about taking care of the Unions who had been so supportive of Democrats for all these years.

I wish, lol. Unfotunately I see a long and complicated divorce complete with thrown dishes and even a battle over who gets the cat.

Looks like Bender is dodging direct questions again, so let's take away the possible excuse of "I didn't see the question: Tell me something Bender, how was giving the Unions an exception to the new tax on "Cadillac health plans" progress? While we don't agree on much most of my complaints about you stem from your inability to answer a direct question as to why you support these progressive ideas, so tell me Bender, why was this special deal for big labor Unions good for all Americans? Don't beat around the bush, don't make excuses, give us what you believe to be a sound reason for excluding a UAW member from the new tax but imposing the new tax on someone else who is not in a big Union that gave Obama campaign funds. So Wez, your a socialist now because you lost your own business? You bitter about not 'making it' so you now want to make everyone else go out of business? Me and millions of other people run our own businesses and all we want is for the Government to ease up and let us succeed. Did you know that more hard assessets are now being held still in non-interest bearing accounts than ever before in America? Do you know why people are sitting on their money? Uncertainty, people are scared to invest because they don't know what the rules are going to be under this President. Tax cuts, tax increases, changes in mandates and regulations for operating a business, all sorts of questions are still laying on the table and many promises from the progressive elite to further punish those who want to be in business is making sure they will not stop sitting on their money until they can feel more positive about being able to not be punished.

progressive = liberal = socialist = democrat Based on current American political trends and definitions. The really interesting part is even some Republicans and Libritarians are very progressive, even Bush leaned very progressive in his last two years in office. That's so weird..in Canada...we have the progressive Conservative Party, the Liberal Party, The Dems, and then a bunch of small powerless ones (aka the Green Party). Liberals never win very many seats. In Alberta progressive Conservative always take majority, and Dems are usually the rest of Canada. So in the states all our groups are essentially the same thing? I'm confused on the definitions all the time. The things you say are all one and the same are totally different here. It's confusing because although TJ thinks he knows it all, it's quite the opposite. He just loves to lump and label. Especially those with opposing views from his. Take all he says with a grain of salt, as usual. I point out how things actually work out, not how people "want" them to turn out. At the end of the day the Democrats do individually have many differences, I have never tried to say otherwise, but also at the end of the day they will fall into line and vote for the progressive garbage like the healthcare bill. So based on "RESULTS" they are all the same. That is why I give hugo a hard time about being an obstructionist radical conservative, his actions to tear down anyone who is not a radical like himself actually hurts conservative ideas and helps get people like Obama elected into the Whitehouse. The "RESULTS" of his work is to help progressives. Tell me something Bender, how was giving the Unions an exception to the new tax on "Cadillac health plans" progress? While we don't agree on much most of my complaints about you stem from your inability to answer a direct question as to why you support these progressive ideas, so tell me Bender, why was this special deal for big labor Unions good for all Americans? Don't beat around the bush, don't make excuses, give us what you believe to be a sound reason for excluding a UAW member from the new tax but imposing the new tax on someone else who is not in a big Union that gave Obama campaign funds. Wez, I have to say your intentional dodging the points to start fights used to work but I am beyond your need to fight just for the sake of a fight. People already have a living wage, they are alive right? You progressives don't want a living wage, you want to rape the people who take all the risks. Did you know for me to pay a guy 40k a year I have to in turn spend about 70k a year after all the Government mandates and such? Yes, everyone working is important, but to work you need a job, and a job is created by peopel who invest money to make money, if you take away the ability to make money, why would anyone want to put their money at risk? Again, just look at California, that is the result of progressive politics and the tax, tax, tax without logic or responsibility mindset. You want what "you" believe to be a living wage? Then go out and EARN it. Don't support a Government that takes away what I earned and then gives it to you just because your unhappy that I make more money than you.

And that right there is why I ignore most of what you say Wez, all you ever do is attack, insult, and lie just to try and start arguements, for whatever reason, you thrive on the drama and strife. You asked about definitions and based on current understand of what a conservative is, they are people who are concerned with the out of control spending progressives love to conduct. We also love people and desire folks to get help "they need" but we balance that desire with common sense and understanding that money does not grow on trees. Consevatives tend to be truly religious, and their groups donate more to charitable causes than any progressive would ever dream of doing so there is no question that conservatives want to help people. The problem with progressives is they don't understand they can't tax, tax, tax their way into making everyone equal to everyone else. Well, they don't want to be equal either, they want to take away from everyone else to give to themselves so how is their greed any better than the greed they attack in the business owner? The problem is the average person who votes progressive does not actually pay any taxes, they are voting for increased taxes they themselves will never have to pay because they won't ever try to create their own company or employ workers. Answer me this question Wez, if you progressives successfully eliminate the "rich" who will you work for? There will always be someone who is "rich" compared to you up to the point you guys tear it all down like what is starting to happen in California. When all the employers are out of business or move their business, what then Wez? Go live in the woods?

Well first of all, this is a great example of how Muslims love to build their monuments on ground where dead infidels are located. Second, what discrimination? There are around a hundred of these places for Muslims to worship in New York, there is no limitation or blocking of the worship of Islam in New York in any way so it is impossible to say this is based on discrimination desires. Only progressives love to twist things into racial attacks if someone objects to their political correct agenda. The vast majority of people who object to this monument to terrorists do not do so out of hate for Muslims but instead out of respect for those who died at the hands of Muslims. For whatever reason, progressives just can't seem to understand the distinction.

progressive = liberal = socialist = democrat Based on current American political trends and definitions. The really interesting part is even some Republicans and Libritarians are very progressive, even Bush leaned very progressive in his last two years in office.

Media matters? Really? If that is where your getting your information about American politics, I can certainly understand why your always so horribly wrong about everything. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/113747-poll-public-strongly-opposes-ground-zero-mosque- A large majority of Americans oppose the construction of a mosque near the Ground Zero site in lower Manhattan, according to a poll released Wednesday. The CNN/Opinion Research survey showed that 68 percent oppose the plan to build the mosque, compared to 29 percent who favor it. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20015351-503544.html By a 71 percent to 21 percent majority, voters in New York state agree "that because of the opposition of Ground Zero relatives, the Muslim group should voluntarily build the mosque somewhere else," according to a Quinnipiac poll released yesterday. Among voters in New York City, 63 percent say the community center should be moved, while the sentiment is stronger among suburban and upstate voters. Americans are very much against this Mosque being built and while some may say it will not change their voting choices, it certain does not help for political groups to directly go against the majority of Americans. I personally feel there are much bigger reasons to oppose the progressives like their out of control spending where just Obama's "Stimulus" bill cost 100 million more than 7 years of war by Bush, and he signed off on that expense in his first month of office. So is this a major issue that will change the minds of voters away from the progressives who want to kiss behinds of terrorist supporters? No, I don't think so. But, what I do believe is this issue will help keep people from moving back to progressives if they already have decided to lean away from them in this next election. No one issue will change voter's minds, but combine issues like this together and there will be a change against the progressives.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/02/naacp-left-groups-form-tea-party-tracking-site/?test=latestnews A new website sponsored by the NAACP and left-leaning media operations is seeking videographers and bloggers who will search out "racism" and "extremism" among Tea Partiers. Teapartytracker.org will feature tweets, interviews with people at rallies, blog entries and a picture of a t-shirt they say someone spotted at a rally that reads "Blacks own slaves in Mauitania, Sudan, Niger & Haiti." The site, sponsored by the NAACP, Think Progress, New Left Media and Media Matters for America, will monitor "racism and other forms of extremism within the Tea Party movement. We call on the Tea Party to repudiate extremists among their ranks and join in civil dialogue with all Americans." The NAACP and other groups have accused the Tea Party of several instances of racism, including spitting on a black congressman, Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo., on Capitol Hill as he went to vote for the health care bill. Whether the spitting incident, which was caught on tape, was intentional remains subject to debate. Nonetheless, the narrative has remained a continuing theme of Tea Party critics. The site's logo is also an old aphorism, apparently meant to suggest that monitoring the Tea Party will prevent the group from becoming more effective. "A watched teapot never boils," it reads. The site's success will likely be measured in the "gotcha" moments it can accumulate that aim to embarrass or undermine the Tea Party movement. The submissions will most often come from citizen journalists, who have grown in form and fashion since Sen. George Allen of Virginia was ousted from his Senate seat in 1996 after his "macaca" moment. At that time, a videographer sent by his opponent's campaign caught Allen using what critics later explained was an obscure racial slur. Allen's campaign sank afterward, and his Democratic opponent, Jim Webb, won the seat. The fear of gotcha moments most recently forced Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., to try to close a Tea Party meeting to media in order to allow people to speak freely. But Tea Partiers who attended the 90-minute event Wednesday in North Charleston City Hall told the Charleston Press and Courier that they were fine with media coverage. "This stuff does happen, and it's stupid," Kelly McBride, a senior faculty member with the Poynter Institute in Florida, reportedly said. "Who isn't a reporter these days?" So instead of being concerned with serving the majority of Americans, the progressives are only concerned with trying to paint all tea party members with the brish of racisism.......Even if they have to create the information themselves and recent news show that some progressives are even going under cover, pretending to be members of the tea party movement and instead displaying the very negative signes and such themselves so they can later claim all the members of meetings are racists. A great example is the teacher Jason Levin who admitted to doing things just like that, even trying to steal social security numbers and anything else he could use to attack tea party members. This guy and his fellow progressives are so bad they even spread false stories that a radical Sarah Palin supporter was responsible for the times square attempted bombing and painted all tea party members as radical, government hating wackos. Of course I do believe there are a few weirdos who want to tag along with the tea party movement, any large grouping of people for a cause will attract a couple fringe lunatics here and there. But the reality there will be a couple idiots involved does not mean "ALL" or even most of the people who are attending the functions must believe what the wacko in the group says. I believe it is pure cowardice that drives these progressives to ignore the will of the people. Progressives lie, distort, and expand on insignificant isolated idiots for only one reason, to avoid facing the reality that almost all of these people speaking out are good Americans who are just concerned with the direction of our current political shifts. Most are concerned with this administration driving away private sector jobs and creating new costly entitlements we don't have the money to pay for. Most are concerned with a federal governemnt that sets aside contract laws to take over car companies then turn around and give part ownership of the companies to the same Union people who donated millions to Obama's campaign. In what way was giving big Unions an exemption from the new taxes on "Cadillac health plans" helping all Americans? These Union members already make way more money then the National average and have things like healthcare so why is giving them a free pass on new taxes considered a needed part of healthcare reform? This is the kind of thing the average tea party member is concerned with. But the progressives can't face that truth, if they were honest even they would find these kinds of deals repulsive, but they are not allowed to be honest, they must follow the party line and blindly support the progressive agenda, these little deals are just the necessary evils to get their socialist agenda put into place.....baby steps.

Well, lot's of stuff going on with this project, we have had 4 couples signed up and approved for a long time because people who I had been contacting about forming this project were skeptical we could find good canidates. This is all being financed in house, we are using our own money to invest in these homes so the first step was to find qualified people before we spent a lot of money getting things started. So we have had these 4 couples waiting for a long time, so once we got things rolling, many of us have been moving at very high pace to try and get these 4 homes done as fast as possible. Well we have two almost done and ready for final stage of paint and floor coverings, the other two are about two weeks behind the first two. The plan right now is to have all four done and have a little cerimony to celebrate all the work and dedication that all of us have put into making this happen. As a little thank you for these 4 couples we had always talked about putting in some furnature free of charge because they have been so understanding of our need to move slowly at first. Beds, dressers, and dinning room tables were already selected but today I am having a meeting where some new arrivals to this project are wanting to contribute to this project and one of the things we will be talking about is providing some furnature to all the new homes. This is getting pretty exciting, this brings to mind the idea of the snowball effect where in many cases it can be shown as a bad thing but in this case, as this grows and more people get involved, I am seeing some great things comming out of this growth. To date we have had about 130 applicants and those have been narrowed down to about 43 really good possibilities for these homes. Now I get to start enjoying things a little more, I got all the hard and grinding paperwork stuff done and have completed packets of submittals, energy calculations, and Florida compliance for every home we plan to build. I have complete building material lists for every home, as well as all funding in place for in house financing so this has all moved to the fun parts of working for donations and getting more people through the final stage of interviews to set them up with a home.

And yet you don't possess the ability to see why most Americans would object to the construction of a mosque at ground zero? You feel it is okay why? Just because your progressive leadership says so? Notice a pattern forming Joker? Both of these guys want to build a mosque at the site of so many dead infidels? Wake up buddy, the world is moving faster than you think and just because nobody you cared about dies on 9/11, that does not mean it can't happen to you some time in the future. I hope it does not, but what then Joker? Will you show some concern about this stuff then or will you still maintain your progressive attitude that you must follow the will of your leadership?

Look, it is really pretty simple, your intentionally creating a distribution point for kiddie porn, that is illegal: You not only did it but you did it knowingly and intentionally. You broke the law and it's spirit for maintaining a reasonable and polite society. The object of laws is not supposed to be to protect those who want to hurt society, and in this case you want to make money or promote the horrible abuse of children. Again, I have no compassion on those who know they are doing wrong but try to twist the laws to try and make their intentional bad behavior appear okay.

WEll hugo, I am sure you will do your usual part in trying to tear down anyone who can stand up to the progressives so you can by default help those progressives win just like you always do. Have you noticed how the woman you blindly hate, sarah palin, is helping even some libritarians do well in elections? You spend all your time attacking anyone who is not 100% in your mind and that mentality actually helps those your supposed to be fighting against. Then as usual you take the exact same possition Obama and the rest of the progressive take on something like this, tell me something hugo, where does it say in the constitution that we have to look the other way while Muslims support terrorists? Where in the Constitution does it say we have to be politically correct even when it will most likely cause the death of more Americans? There is no gurantee in the Constitution to have the ability to build religious structures on any specific location. You sir are trying to insert rights that are not there. At the end of the day our American system was supposed to serve the people, not individual political figures. The people have spoken clearly against things like Government takeovers of healthcare and this Mosque at ground zero and yet your on the side of the progressives to ignore the voice of the people and do what is 100% political correct games. Pretty funny how your in line with the administration more often then not hugo. Joker, while you guys love to pretend your supporting progress, not all progress is good and you progressives push for change for the sake of change even if there is no logical reason to make the change. We are not running out of money, we have been out of money for a long time and at some point reality must step in before all of America ends up like California. They have been broke for a very long time and still they are in denial, they just finished the most expensive public school in America during a time they have been completely broke, now where is the logic in that? Progressives have some idea I would agree "sound good" on the surface, but we have to temper these ides with reality, and reality is something you guys can't seem to grasp. The recent news of company, after company running from California to get away from their our of control taxing should show even the most stubborn person that the answer is not to tax, tax, tax, tax.........