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I don't Wez, you do. Your actions, not mine Wez. You go out of your way to try and punish those who do not conform to your demands to believe or act a certain way so when someone displeases you, you turn to nasty name calling, harassment, and now you added spamming negative rep. These are all "YOUR" actions Wez, not mine. You do it, you feel a need to punish and follow through with that desire. Your the bullie now Wez, how does it feel? Hypocrite.

You bash all these things and then you do them yourself. That makes you the hypocrite Wez. You want the Government to impose socialist laws that take away the rights of people to own and keep what they earn and give it to people like you Wez, your the guy who wants everyone to be the same, you want to take down those who succeed and give their earnings to those who are too lazy to succeed. I say let each man or woman earn their own way through life and stop trying to bring them down just because they have a nicer car than you do Wez.

As I said, there are bad apples that are drawn to these groups but they do not represent the entire gathering of people because the tea party movement is not controlled by any small group of people like say a formal group like the NAACP is controlled by a narrowing list of people. But does the NAACP have racists in their circles? Do they turn a blind eye to descrimination against white people? Do they even cheer when examples of 'sticking it to whitie' are discussed at their meetings? You decide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJtEsGZE_fA I have been to many tea party gatherings over Florida, Georgia, and even one in Ohio while I was there visiting my Sister. I have spoke at two of these meetings and not one time did I ever see a general air of racist beliefs in any of these meetings. Sure you can have a weirdo or two show up with horrible signs but the vast majority of people who show up to these gatherings are great Americans expressing their right to gather and express their feelings about the direction America is going and how we would like to see things like less deficit spending. The only racist element is the one being inserted by the liberals/socialists/progressives who feel we should not be allowed to dissagree with their agenda to completely change America into a socialist State.

Not one of those coments was me complaining about rules Wez. Rules are one thing, application of the rules is another. My complaints were from the lack of consistency and fair application of rules, not that it was wrong to have rules. As example even after there was a clear rule against people bringing their dirty laundry from other forums to this forum, you never stopped chasing eddo around about your banning at another site. IWS simply gave you a pass for that rule for whatever reason and if one person gets a free pass from a set rule then there is no rules. YOU Wez complain about the existence of rules and that one person should not have the right to tell another what to do or to punish them for not doing what is wanted from them. If the rules are equally and consistently administereed they create a peaceful and great environment to exist in. You said yourself that if you were robbed you would call the police so you like rules when they are there to help you. So again we come back to "YOUR ACTIONS" to punish those who do not conform to your desires. You say "conform or else" I will call you nasty names, harass you, and give you negative rep, but if someone else does this, you attack them and put them down as bullies. Hypocrite.

Wez, you bash businesses, owners of businesses, Government, free enterprise, pretty much everything that is not a socialist concept gets your contempt. My idea of a Utopia is for everyone to look inward to find ther existence instead of looking for someone else to give them handouts. I don't mind hard work and long hours, I can strive wearing jeans on a farm or in a business suit at a board meeting equally well because I have always done what needed to be done without complaint to earn everything I have. I have started over twice from nothing and I am not the exception, every American who is willing to put in the energy and time. Anyone who watches the clock ready to run out the door at quitting time and wants a 40 hour work week and complains if they work more will not get ahead in life. The 'primitive community' Vonnegut speaks of would not have you home at 5:30 to play video games or watch your favorite reality show.

And I just love the way morons like TJ will twist factual information, like that from the CBO which says the problem ISN'T out of control spending, but rather all those tax cuts, and try to make it sound like a liberal talking point... I guess if the facts don't match what he wants to believe, it's "LIBERAL PROPAGANDA". Evidently, the non partisan CBO, are now just a bunch of liberals/progressives. Dispute the party all you want TJ. But do you dispute the findings? Or just deny them by screaming "LIBERALS, PROGRESSIVES, SOCIALIST, COMMIE'S!!" Your starting to remind me of this guy: How about focusing on the findings, and not the ones you allege found it. Keep in mind, the findings are for 2001-2005, can't blame OBAMA/LIBERALS/PROGRESSIVES/COMMIES/NAZI'S/ETC...ETC... I'd call that staying on topic and negative rep for you. . . No Bender, your the guys who can't seem to understand that point of the CBO is that earlier cuts made current spending shortages happen because of the economic downturn. If the economy had stayed the same, there would be more tax collection. Even if the tax rates were the same as before, that would not fix our current shortfalls because there is less money circulating. You can't tax what is not spent or invested, other than the huge 'death tax' you liberals love, there is no way for you to take money from those who stop their money from moving. This is why you guys are now wanting to tax things like health insurance and stuff because it is never enough, you will never reach a point where your have played Robin Hood enough. There is always a new "evil company", always a new group of "needy". We could double tax revinue tomorrow and you liberals will spend every dime and hold your hand out for more again. A line must be drawn, pick and choose what programs you want and are the most needed and cut the rest, just like each of us have to do in our own every day lives. Each of us have a household budget, we must live within that budget no matter how much we desire things we can't afford. All I want is for my Government to live with a limited budget as I do.

I'm not above a drink or two for social events and helping to unwind but to me the idea of intentionally screwing with your mind with chemicals to reach a point of being impared does not seem very wise. Sure, when I was a kid there was some experimentation but as we mature we are suposed to ourgrow these childish needs and work for a greeater goal in life than a moment of chemical induced pleasure. Consider this Bender, you admit there are no clear ingredients and you drang this stuff not knowing what would happen or if there was something in that stuff that you were allergic to. What if you had a severe reaction? What if you died in your uninformed and uncaring chemical adventure? What about your loved ones? If you died or were severely damaged who cares for your falimy? Would you feel proud if your kids were told you died getting stoned? Society has already demonstrated the inability to control their actions using the legal recreational drugs we already have. Adding more recreational drugs just increases the number of people who have to turn to chemicals to escape a world they find unbearable to face without these crutches. When you make something like this "legal" you are saying as a comunity that this is acceptable, this is okay. I would never say anything like that to my kids. So here is my view on stuff like this, if you would not give it to your kids, most likely it is bad for you too.

Nice attempt to redirect attention away from the point but I never jumped on a soapbox and complained about rules or other people imposing rules and penalties on other people Wez. YOU, YOU Wez have preached against the "or else" mentality but the second you can have the power to punish, you do so. Your actions to punish Wez, you are going out of your way to spam negative rep on me, your the bully you claim to hate when other people do it so I gues your years of claiming that "you are what you hate" is true, you complain and hate those who punish because you punish people like me with any weapon at your disposal. How many times have we pointed out you calling people names just because you did not like what they had to say? With you your verbal attacks are your way of punishing someone but now your on this new trend to spam negative rep, but all of your actions are based in your need to punish those who do not be who you want to force them to be Wez. Your right, I'm not you, because I am not a Hypocrite.

Is that why you became a bully Wez? You hate bullies so using your own words, you are what you hate, the bully. You know Wez, you keep claiming I asked for you to be banned but I never asked for that, I asked for rules to be enforced and my request was ignored because you were seen as a way to keep the forum "jumping", the same reason I was allowed to return twice, the forum is a silent and lonely place without people like you and I to add some spice to it. But cry and dodge all you want Wez, once you started punishing me for what you saw as "wrong" that made you the biggest hypocrite on this forum. You preach about how punishing people who don't conform is wrong, but you Wez, you are the first to call me names and punish me for daring not to be what you demand I be. I must make you happy, "or else" you will negative rep me and call me nasty names designed to hurt or punish me. Hypocrite.

Well you certainly are not talking about America Wez. The extremely tiny segment of society who are (truly) disabled are not lazy Wez, you know I am not talking about them and they account for such a low percentage of Americans it is not even a real issue. If the only people getting handouts were them I would have nothing to complain about Wez, and we would be in the Utopia Vonnegut defined Wez. You Wez, you say over and over again how you believe socialist laws are the right way to go, you complain about business owners having the right to own what they earn, you complain about people like me who work hard and should pay more taxes to support people who do not work as hard as I do. You want companies to be taken away from their owners and given to "the people" Wez, so yes, your wanting to use force against people to give you what you have not earned. I own land, I own my own businesses, my two homes are paid for, all of this made possible by hard work and education Wez, not sitting at home waiting for the Government to give me prosperity by taking it away from someone else like you want the Government to do. Wez, you ever wonder why almost all lottery winners end up broke and bankrupt? Because the "average" person can't manage money, they spent their winnings ten times over and end up with less than they had before they won. As much as you love to complain about the horrible business owners, you seem to forget that these same business owners are the only people creating real jobs that help the economy. Without jobs, you have nowhere to work Wez, some "big corporation" spent the billions of dollars to build the hospitals you will work in as a nurse Wez, without that "evil" rich guy your out of work so how about that Wez? Tell me Wez, how many people do you employ? People work because the company they work for can make money, the worker is there to make money, the Government imposes taxes to make money, everyone is motivated to make money Wez. If the worker thought they could make more money somewhere else, they would Wez, because that is the only reason they are there.

You know Wez, this is another great example of how your a hypocrite. You say in one hand it is wrong to use force to take something or force someone to do something they don't want to do but at the same time your saying Government should take away money/resources/power, from those who have it and give it to those who don't. How do you balance that mindset? Once again you don't have a problem with anyone using force, your just against the force used in a way you don't agree with. By the way, you missed the point Vonnegut was making, in primitive communities, everyone pulled their weight, lazy people who wanted to sit on their behinds did not eat. Humans who are lazy block our ability to find a real Utopia, a place where we get what we earn, not take what we do not with the force of the Federal Government and the IRS.

Errrrr.. no TJ.. I was making fun of you and being sarcastic.. are you really that dense? No, I am talking about your actions, you have already proven you say one thing and do another when it suits you so your comments are no longer worth paying attention to. You are now the bully you used to complain about Wez. Hypocrite.

I still love to see how uninformed even people like Bender are on the facts. In "some" States, party affilitation does not keep people from voting for the other party in primaries, Rush thought it funny to play with that a little, so did a lot of other people like Democrats who were already on record for doing it long before Rush mentioned it, in fact that is where he got the idea. Rush is a radio personality, a paid Commentator who tells jokes and makes a lot of money with it. Sure, a lot of what he says is true, but he tells it with humor and sarcasm for "entertainment purposes". Rush commands nobody to do anything, Rush does not speak for the party and is not a leader in even the most crazy of examples. You guys need to learn that while the vocal few may run the Democrats, that is not the case for Conservatives. Independents put Obama in the Whitehouse, those same Independents now understand that Obama is nothing like the Obama they voted for. They feel betrayed and lied to, and there will be a negative result to that fact. But, after the Socialists lose their control in the next elections, I predict Obama will pull a Clinton and divert away from his radical Socialist posturing and this will gain him some support back. Most Americans don't hate Obama, they simply reject his crazy Government power grab and out of control spending.

That's a pretty lame analogy.. how about maybe... just maybe... people reject the idea of a hateful God who casts out homosexuals, and it has nothing to do with one's political views. Perhaps the blogger, much like you, had to go and put a "progressives and socialists" spin on it to comfort themselves away from reality. . . Are you a parent Bender? If your child did something you told them was wrong and you punished them for their action, did you act out of hate? I just love how people like you believe God holding people accountable for their actions must be because God is hateful. Back on topic, what was said was not driven by hate, it was a statement based on this person's understanding of faith and how the Bible teaches. You guys act like you want everyone of faith to rewrite the Bible to accomidate what "you" think we should have in there. Hate speach is what you and your fellow atheists toss at those of us who practice our faith, you call us names, put us down, and do everything in your power to block our ability to believe how we choose. And it was a great analogy, you guys only worship yourselves and the Government who in your opinion can "fix" your life, and the lives of everyone in the world if we just get people to abandon their self reliance and independence. You look for your answers from Government, we look for our answers from our faith, your just as stuck on faith in Government as any religious person may be.

It is a two way street, while many of the most powerful forces for Muslims in Europe, America, and even Canada are under the control of Wahhabism. There is still a very strong movement to get sharia law elements applied in Canada family law, for example, in Canada their lamily law is so severely backed up they had to turn to local churches to help take some of the pressure off. Currently most big religions are allowed to administer family law "except Muslims" and they are pushing hard to get that restriction removed. Most experts agree that sooner or later Canada will have to either expand their family law capacity and drop all religions from administering family law, or they will have to allow the Muslims to join in like Christians and Jewish people do. So the two way street is very important, but we still get slapped in the face with stories like the guy who created the pro-muslim Bridges TV network "to show muslims in a positive light" who lives his life like an American, but once his wife asked for a divorce, he felt compelled to "honor kill" and chopped off her head. But he is using the "battered spouse" defense in his case so maybe he is learning how to be an American, lol.

So you cry when other people punish you but you feel it is reasonable to punish those who refuse to conform to your way of thinking Wez? Hypocrite. You have become what you claim to hate, congratz..........

Builder, your biggest problem is "YOUR" the guy who dodges questions, not anyone else. You don't even have a basic understanding of American politics or reality that is not handed to you by wacko talking point websites or socialist news. Everything you bring up is childish propaganda, not really worthy of even giving a reply but some of us still do try to get through to you and you simply ignore whatever does not match up to your wrong assumptions.

The main problem with a Utopia is the people. People all have different levels of motivation, those with little motivation end up with little rewards, those with great amounts of motivation get better rewards. Utopia societies are only desired by those with very low motivation, they desire the greater rewards those with greater motivation attain but are too lazy to work as hard as them so instead they try to take what they refuse to earn.

Agreed, great start, keep it up.

I just love the way Liberals/progressives twist reality to try and condone their out of control spending....... "AFTER" we figure in the economic downturn, yes, it "LOOKS" like the Bush tax cuts can be blamed but the truly educated person looks at the fact that the tax cuts came "BEFORE" the economic downturn. Today, Obama is creating new entitlements, new legislation, and new deficits when he knows we don't have the funds to pay for them, this is a completely different set oc circumstances. If I buy a house with a high payment when I have a great paying job, that is one thing, if I buy the same house after I lose my job and know that I don't have the money to pay the bill that makes me stupid. Just a fast hit for you Bender, we have less tax money to spend because collected taxes are down, and those collected taxes are down because we have massive unemployment (can't pay tax on what you don't earn) and big business is still waiting to see how many penalites Obama is going to put on them for daring to invest in things so their money is stitting still. If Obama backs off and allows people to feel confidence again, they will start investing again and we can get on the road to recovery, but a recovered economy is not one of the goals of this administration. Hugo is right, we need to get back to responsible Government where we only spend what we have, just like a responsible household would do it.

Independent, strong, and successful business is the biggest deterrent to a Socialist State.

Of course it is a tax, and Obama lied, so what else is new?

Where does most of the handgun related crime happen? Areas where guns are least likely to be found. Rural and "farm" communities have almost no gun related crime and almost no other crime like buglary, the higher the chance that a legal gun lives at the dwelling, the lower the chance of crime happening there.

All large groups and movements pick up a few unintended and unrelated wacko personalities. Trying to say "ALL" teaparty members are racists is like trying to say "ALL" liberals/progressives are exactly like this: [attach=full]2856[/attach] Idiots holding a sign or screaming out something stupid does not mean that everyone believes what the idiot believes/says. The interesting part about liberals/progressives is when their fringe members speak, they listen, even canceling things like debates on Fox news because they were ordered to by the fringe.

Your hittung the negative rep button, so your meting out punishment, your actions in reaction to your need to respond to what you see as bad. Hypocrite.