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Your the guy meting out punishment Wez, explain it to yourself. Your the one applying the punishment, not me Wez, why must I conform to your idea of right and wrong "or else" you will negative rep me? Hypocrite.

Your actions Wez, not mine. You have to hit the button to negative rep me, all I am doing is putting your actions to punish me into the light of day. Why is it the bullies always try to hide their actions behind lies and such Wez? Why can't you just admit your making me pay for whatever crime you think deserves the punishment your giving? Be a man Wez, stand up to what you do, don't run away from it. Hypocrite.

I am not the one hitting the negative rep button, you are Wez, so obviously "YOU" see it as punishment, not me. Your direct actions, your belief it is punishment, not mine. I am just commenting on what your doing Wez. Why do you need to punish me tough guy? Hypocrite.

You can't make me you Wez, your the guy who spent over a year chasing eddo around crying about how you were unrairly punished by him at another forum. Your the guy who cried about the bullies who were wanting to punish you for not conforming to what they wanted. Your the guy who pointed your finger at everyone else Wez, now your part of the group meting out punishment for perceived wrongs on my part. Nice try at trying to divert attention away from your actions Wez but clearly your only reason to go out of your way to spread negative rep on me is to punish me for something you think I have done wrong. As I said before, I don't expect much more out of the other people doing this, but you have cried lound and long about how other people always want to punish you for things they see you as doing wrong and now, all of a sudden your the guy dishing out the punishment, and as usual, when your the guy doing it, suddenly punishing someone is okay with you. Your the tough guy now Wez, how does it feel? Hypocrite.

I agree that this is a problem Muslims must deal with, but I don't think there is any real way we can "help". This is a cancer inside their ranks just like Christians during the dark ages had their own cancer within. Nothing changed with the Christians until other Christians stepped up and changed things from within. While almost all Muslims do not want to directly hurt the infidels, they at the same time feel compelled to not get in the way and even praise those who conduct 'martyrdom missions'. "The Prophet said, 'Were it not for the believers who do not want me to leave them, I would certainly and always go forth in army units setting out in Allah's Cause. I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred.'" Nothing we do will ever increase or decrease this problem, as you already said, fellow Muslims are hurt more than the infidels, if they were only concerned with what we do then why hurt more of their own people than ours? Bill Clinton was about as soft on the Muslim world as any President could have been and at the end of that long 8 years of kissing azz we find out they had people here during most of his time in office training for 9/11. We can't pacify this enemy, the best we can do is instill some respect for our ability to defend ourselves. That is why attacks on America all but stopped with Bush and why they are gaining speed with Obama. Like Bush or not they all knew he was willing to drop a bomb on anyone, that is power and while they hated Bush, they respected his power. Obama is weak, he is seen as weak, and they do not respect him because he has no power outside of the UN. They control the UN either directly or indirectly so they know there really is nothing Obama will be willing to do to preserve his political posturing with the UN and the world.

And as usual you jumped on the bandwagon, nothing new there Chi. But again, why do you feel I need to conform to your views or be punnished? That is all your saying with this negative rep game you know. Why can't I just be me? I don't agree with much of what you guys say either, but you don't see me chasing you around trying to punnish you. . . . . . In all reality I believe each of you who have to do these things are insecure. You need your possitions supported by other people and if other people don't agree with you, then they must be eliminated so you can feel good about yourself and your beliefs. I am a threat because I create doubt inside your own minds for your own beliefs, and that scares you because nobody wants to believe they are wrong, not even me, that is why I spend so much time making sure everything I stand for is completely solid, no emotions, no assumptions, no political alignments. Everything I believe and stand for is in my mind good and something to be proud of, not ashamed of. But you guys, the second we challenge your possitions you strike out, you call us names, you dodge the points and deflect attention away from that you can't discuss and my only conclusion for this behavior is your ashamed of your beliefs because no matter how much you attack my beliefs, I don't feel the need to strike out as you strike out.

If you want to have a private conversation we have something called a private message system, if you post your uninformed garbage on the open forum, your inviting every member here to comment on it. And why are you still tossing childish insults? "wee-wee"? Sounds like your mind is on something else. We don't have kings and queens in America, nobody represents "ALL" of a Party or "ALL" the members of that party. More dodging of direct questions Builder? You slam anyone else who dodges a direct question but in thread after thread you get asked questions your too scared to answer, I wonder why? I asked you if you agreed with everything political figures said in your circles, now why can't you answer that question? Because if you answered honestly, you would say no, that sometimes you don't agree with everything but here you are trying to tell us we have to agree with everything someone running under the party of Republican says? Your really showing that you have no intention of having reasonable or honest debates and your instead just being a blind mouthpiece for the socialist agenda. You will be the guy to interpret? That is the problem with you socialists, you always believe the masses need your instruction and guidance to survive. I mentioned facts, you want to divert attention away from those facts by pretending like they do not exist. Well many of us don't need you to tell us what reality is my friend, we can see it for ourselves. Give up, yes, that is exactly what your Country would have been forced to do without the help of Americans to save you. The battle of the Coral Sea was just one example of why you owe America for your freedom today, and yet you can't bring yourself to admit it now can you?

There is no hate speach in that email, the problem with the majority of progressives and socialists is that they must eliminate religion at all costs because it competes with "THEIR GOD" the Government. They believe the Government should be worshiped, not God, why? Because they can control the Government.

Unchanging? Why should anyone change who they are for you Chi? Is that really the intent you guys have in mind? Bully people into conforming to your idea of what they should be or be punnished with personal attacks and any other form of punishment you can think of? This is why I am so dissapointed in Wez, he has been the biggest finger pointer in the past about how "some people" feel the need to punish other people, but now that he is part of the group doing the punnishing, now "or else" suddenly makes sense to him. Wez has proven himself to be a hypocrite many times on this forum, but never has this fact been more clear than now. How does it feel tough guy? You have become what you claim to hate, Congratulations. I don't think a fast negative rep point "in reply to a comment" is 100% malicious either, certainly childish and clearly shows they are weak minded, but what I do believe is 100% malicious is when someone only comes to the forum to spam negative rep against one person because they are angry at that person so they want to punish them. Actually, I never named Times, mostly because I wasn't making a dig at Times. I was making a dig at IWS. Wow, now Chi, don't you feel like an ass? Funny stuff right there. My point was not who Anna was talking about but instead how her point could be applied to people like you too Chi. Anna certainly cleaned her comment up to "fit in" but your actions are even worse than what IWS did so she cannot say you don't fit her description without being a hypocrite, IWS only did it once or twice, you guys have given me about three hundred negative rep in the last few weeks. Yes you did Anna, Chi and the rest are doing the exact same thing but you decided to "soften" and even backpeddle your comment to make them feel better and as such to "fit in". That has always been the problem with some of these guys, to them the only thing that matters is if you are willing to back off if they get angry with you, if you don't cower down, then Chi, Emkay, Wez, and now Builder all look for any way to punish you for your refusal to conform. Don't feel bad Anna, they have forced many people before you to bow down to them.

In your opinion, and if a bunch of obsessed losers like you guys think I am a loser, that makes me anything but in reality, lol. She only tried to change it "AFTER" she understood some of you guys were doing what she was complaining about, she did exactly what you guys are upset about me not doing, and that is changing my coments or attitudes to "fit in". You all believe that I deserve to be punnished because I am my own man and don't need your approval of me as a person. You all have no life and even spend lits of time on forums like this on the weekends, now that is really a good example of being a loser, out of all the great things you could be doing, you waste your life comming to sites like this instead? I don't think I have loged onto this site more than a handful of times in the past couple years on the weekend, while you guys are here almost every weekend, because you have nothing else worth doing, lol. So keep on being a hater Chi, I know all this revenge seeking makes you feel proud of yourself as a woman and a socialist, lol.

This kind of garbage is why we give you some heat for being uninformed or just plain brainwashed into not seeing reality. Ron Paul for example runs as a Republican, even ran for President as a Republican, but he is not a Republican, if anything he is a Libertarian but he is also not stupid, Paul knows if he registered and campaigned as a Libertarian he could not possibly get elected outside of the small office he now holds for his State. Do you agree with everything said by people in your political circles Builder? North Korea and Iran both stepped up their nuclear threats once Obama showed he was very weak, Russia and China have both took stronger stands on the security council against us and most the world has seen Obama bow to the Saudi King, no my friend, Obama has not improved International relations at all and has actually made us weaker and less respected from his fear of taking action. Battle of the Coral Sea May 4 - 10, 1942 [attach=full]2798[/attach]

Who is the real loser Chi? The person giving negative rep out of revenge seeking or the person toying with that person to frustrate their attempts? I admit to playing with you guys a little, as you got all excited giving negative rep to old coments I made I would counter enough to keep it balanced for a shor time, but with four of you all joining forced I could not keep up, lol. Even Anna said giving negative rep because you don't possess the mental strength to offer a reasonable debate is simply pathetic, and yes, that makes you guys look very weak.

lol, ya, you guys know I suck at spelling sometimes, but I really don't spend much time writing my posts other than to get the point made, being as you knew the r\correct spelling for the word you obviously got the meaning behind my post, and that is really all I care about. And why make a thread? Why not? Part of the forum is to discuss things right? Well here is something to discuss. Why do some people on internet forums become so obsessed over other people they let their lives be ruled by that obesssion and hate? Wez, like I said, I have watched you log on and expend your negative rep quota on me then log off several times, I know your doing it and as I already said, I am most dissapointed in you becasue it has always been you who cried the most about how other people want to "punish" you, now your the guy wanting to "punish" me? Why is that Wez? Why are you the Judge and the executioner for me? Hypocrite. Anyway, yes, please do continue the hypocrisy because all your doing is proving my point of how you all hold anger and hate to the point your obsessive/compulsive.

Being as so many here have joined in on the game started by emkay I thought I would have some fun with it. Originally emkay started spamming personal attacks against me in any thread she could find a chance in then after that got old she started going into old threads and giving me negative rep in threads where nobody would see the marks, honestly I was oblivious to it myself because I rarely ever look at my member page and that is the only place you see the total "score" in rep points. I do remember having a few hundred points when the forum switch over and now they are all gone, lol. I originally attempted to counter her unfair and hidden negative repping because I just wanted her to feel frustrated in not being able to 'punnish' me for daring to not agree with her but recently she has gathered some help and I notice when people like Wez log on, he immediately also logs on old threads and expends his negative points on me as well, Builder has also joined the game so it seems that almost every day, these guys log on, many times never make a comment on the forum and instead are only here to "punnish" me. I actually think this is funny as hell and another great example of how liberals and socialists really hate those who refuse to conform to their beliefs to the point that they "MUST" strike out, they really have no other choice. I will say this though, I am very dissapointed in Wez, with all his crying about how me and eddo were always trying to punnish him, and how it was wrong to do so, now it is him who is trying to punnish me for making him mad, lol. So why post this in the debating forum? Because being as I love to debate things I was wondering how people saw this kind of obsessive behaviors and if they are healthy expressions or possibly harmful on a mental level? I have to say this almost seems to qualify as obsessive compulsive: So the involuntary, uncontrollable thoughts could be how these people can't seem to get me, and their negative thoughts about me, out of their heads, they think about me all the time and the compulsion to try and make the obsession 'go away' is to "punnish me" in any way they can find in the hopes to get me to leave. Right now it is this compulsion to log on to negative rep me even if they don't say one word on the forum, before that it was to attack me almost every day in a personal, and what they thought (or hoped) was hurtful ways, the form or style of the compulsion may change but the obsession stays the same and the goal of the compulsions is to try and eliminate the obsession......namely "ME", lol. Anyway, share your thoughts, I know what the game players will say, anything is justified in their minds against someone they don't like and refuses to conform but how about those of you who are not a part of the game?

But IWS, The Unions are for the people, certainly spending millions of Union member dues is well spent buying politicians so they can get the kind of sweet deals like the exemption from extra taxes on their healthcare the way 99% of other Americans have to pay.........right? If you got those kinds of exceptions for your circle, would you think that is dues money well spent?

It is stuff like this that makes most people wonder what the hell is going on with our Government. We have all these departments all spending money on things that have nothing to do with their respective areas. Playing diplomat with the Muslim world is not something our space program is supposed to be doing. The recent programs to return to the moon were canceled because of the cost but we have plenty of money to boost other Countries science programs just to kiss up to Muslims?

Now that was just a few words that spoke volumes Joe. Great point.

What part of the question is giving you so much trouble Builder? Your words, not mine, you said all the National Guard were deployed and not capable of responding to the border, now stand behind your own words and either back them up or admit you told a lie. Remember this comment? So if you ask IWS a direct question, he should respond or you will talk sh!t about him, but if your asked a direct question you see nothing wrong with dancing around and refusing to answer? You already proved your hypocrisy by creating a huge line-by-line set of questions for me but when I gave the same thing back to you, you ran away too scared to answer every question the way I answer every question you asked me. I dodge nothing, but clearly you dodge direct questions all the time and have no business trying to point your finger at IWS or anyone else for refusing to answer a question asked you.

Your wasting time dodging a direct question, why not just answer the question and be done with it? All this energy and name calling just to avoid taking responsibility for what you said? You took IWS to task for refusing to offer proof to his claims so now I ask you to do the same thing. You claim that there are no National Guard to work the border because they are all on duty "elsewhere". Please provide proof of that claim, don't just vomit up something so foul and run away from it, either what you said is true or a lie, now stand up to what you said Builder.

Unions "USED" to be about the people, now the officers of those Unions make way more money then the members do, it is big business itself and they weild a powerful force in Liberal politics. Even Obama gave the Unions massive consessions making them imune to the extra taxes for their "Cadillac" healthcare plans that the rest of Americans have to pay. Today Unions are about raping everyone around them, bully tactics to force people to use their services over non-union entities, and controlling elections as much as possible. But remember one basic economic fact, for every increase in benefits or pay a Union forces a company to pay, that means an increas in cost for the everyday goods and services to the general public, and that public "IS" the people of America, not the tiny few who work under the Union label and get special treatments that the rest of Americans don't get.

This is the problem with your trying to point your finger at America, you have no real concept of what is happening outside of what you "read". Your very socialist so it stands to reason your largest sources for information will reflect what you like to see so most likely your information is severely twisted to promote your socialist ideas, just like most of my sources tend to be conservative and business related. There is a very long history of Liberals (socialists) who fight any move to make people show identification to vote, just flash a voter card and go in to vote. In these areas, any illegal can walk in and place a vote under any other persons name. The "reform" that Obama and socialists want included amnesty with a fast tracked path to being a citizen, somewhere up to 20 million new Liberal voters would help them a lot Builder, not to mention all the currently legal hispanics like Chi who would blindly vote Liberal/socialist for the rest of their life as a reward for that action. Yes, there has been a problem for a long time, but if we waste time and energy only looking in the past, we get more of the same 'non-action'. In the heare and now, Obama has defunded bills that would help, held back from sending help to the border, and refuses to discuss the real problems unless Republicans join him in an amnesty program for the illegals. That is a lot of direct action by the current President to be concerned. Trying to say Bush didn't fix it is no more than a weak excuse, I did not like what Bush did either, he did get a new bill signed into law though and it was Obama who killed it so only Obama is on record for directly making this situation worse.

Weirdo? History has nothing to do with my question, stop dodging Buildre. You accused IWS of not answering the questions asked and yet here you are doing exactly that. Your comment had nothing to do with ancient history, you said we could not respond to our current issues because our National Guard were all deployed eleswhere, now back that up with some facts.....or did you intentionally tell a lie? Anna, my point was that we could discuss all sides of the situation if you wanted to without you trying to squash 'this' side of it. You belittled this aspect and went on and on about other things "your felt" were more important. If they were important, why not make a new thread and we could address it? Why do you think it was okay to try and kill this aspect?

The IPCC is made up of people who "WANT" man caused global warming to be true, there have been hundreds of real scientists who have complained about how the IPCC ignores the concerns made by them during their so called "peer review". If the reviews are ignored, then their findings are nothing but political propaganda. Your biggest problem is your opinions on this subject is completely controlled by people who make massive amounts of money off of this "man caused" global warming. If you go outside of those who make money off of it, suddenly the opinions change: http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport#report

There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all. This is just as true of the man who puts "native" before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance. But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else. The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic. The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American. Teddy Roosevelt, Addressing the Knights of Columbus in New York City 12 October 1915.

And one of the things that made success possible was everyone working together to build this Nation. The pledge is simply a promise to be loyal to the Country that made this life possible. I don't hate anyone, not even socialists or atheists (many times the same thing) but I do wonder why they feel compelled to destroy everything that made America strong.