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As opposed to today where those terms are never used? Really hugo? Your seem so uneducated sometimes hugo, you just blurt out anything that comes to your imagination that you think goes against soemone you want to argue with or put down but you refuse to even try to grasp the bigger framework of society and the things that motivate and drive certain funtctions/behaviors of that society. Let me give you a tiny clue, although I doubt your capable of really understanding it: Slavery and such were already things many people thought were okay for 'early' America but as more and more people came to America and adding to the "melting pot", the numbers of people who thought slavery was a stain on the American identity grew. In all reality even without the Civil War, slavery was slowly evolving and the supply of new slaves were lowering so each owner had to start taking better care of his slaves, most owners set up small slave viliges on their lands and even let them grow thier own foods and keep the extra they produced to trade with. Most historians agree that slavery would have mostly ended on it's own eventually. The bitterness and anger that can be traces even to people today has little to do with race hate and is actually a transferred hate brought foward from the time of the civil war itself. Southern people saw the civil war when they looked at a black man, and the blacks became a symbol of the fight that was lost for what they saw as States rights. In all honesty, the Civil War was the first step of the "all powerful" federal Government we know today. So it was the "melting pot" that helped create a better future for America with more and more people comming here to embrace their "new life" and new Nation. What learning the language has to do with being loyal to your new Country or not I have no idea. Of course modern schools have nothing to do with learning english right hugo? Almost every big city has english language classes these days for free hugo, do you think that helps just a little too? Funny as hell, really. More lies, you don't have the truth in you hugo. My only concern is with parents who rut then refuse to take responsibility for their actions, this is done by all races and ages of child bearing adults in America and the results to that uncaring behaviors are many but include 1.4 million abortions every year, single parents who are too busy trying to live to really raise their kids so the Government ends up having to deal with them, and yes, some kids grow up with problems shoved onto them by their parents that they have no control over but still causes them massive harm such as being mixed and not fitting into the social groups of their area. If two "adults" make a child, it is my belief that they are responsible for caring for that child, call me names if you must hugo but I still believe in personal responsibilities for direct actions. If a mixed couple decided to create a child, then they should take steps to account for the special needs of that child. If you can't even understand my point is concerning the harms and special situations the mixed children are forced to deal with then I don't really know how to explain it to you, it is a pretty simple concept in my mind.

Spoken like a true Canadian, lol. The point is America is not Canada, not Germany, not Australia, not Japan, America is not, and was never intended to be any of those places. We have a rich and powerful history and part of our strength was our American identity. Do you even know what the term "melting pot" stood for Em? No matter where you came from, when you came to live in America, you melted into our society and "became" an American. We took everyone in, and those people were so greatful for the promises of a great life and freedoms like never seen before created a real desire to be a real part or America. Today people are drifting away from those old ideas, we have "mexican-Americans" and every other kind of blended American you can imagine. We have lost our identity and are being just as lazy and uncaring as the rest of the world. And that is why we are finding the hard times like the rest of the world. Europe with their magical "euro" and all the power that was supposed to create is now falling apart, the "euro" is in trouble and world markets are having issues all over the world, cooincidence that America was having big issues first? No way, the world markets follow America more than anything else and bringing in the "dirty loyalties" mindsets of the rest of the world to America will end up hurting everyone. If even our teachers refuse to pledge allegiance to America, who will they give their allegiance to? Obama? Socialism? Nobody? Every man (or woman) for him/herself?

Again, you dodged the question. "YOU" said "the NG is on duty elsewhere". Now back that statement up, or did you just tell a lie? I am an informed american, I know what the President has the power to do and what he does not have the power to do, he issued a command to send 1,200 troops, that means he can send 20,000 troops "IF HE WANTS TO". Of course a fellow Democrat kissed Obama's azz and praised the tiny number that Obama agreed to send, but that is not enough. There are warnings on American soil warning Americans not to travel in certain American owned areas because it is too dangerious for Americans, now is that not a shame that Americans have to be scared of being on American soil because of invading Mexicans? You cry because we are putting down Obama for not doing enough, and you can't refute the "FACT" that Obama is not in fact doing enough, all you try to do is try and justify why Obama refuses to take action, and there is no justification under logic why an American President would intentionally ignore this massive problem. Those of us who care about America complain because as Americans that is our right to be vocal about the things we do not agree with. That is one of the rights that make being an American great. So get off your high horse and stop being a blind supporter of everything socialist, the least you can do is educate yourself on the things your commenting on, you look pretty stupid when you coment on things like "don't buy the insurance" when under the law, you "must" buy the insurance or the IRS will go after you and take the money it would have cost anyway.....There is no choice, that was my point that choices are taken away by force. Lastly, what does any of this have to do with Bush? The problem is here now, Bush signed a bill that was defunded by Obama, Obama has all the power now, everything that is done, and everything that is blocked is the responsibility of the Obama administration. Each time you try to blame Bush you prove that your not interested in debating actual events but instead your just trying to play blocker and defender of the socialist mindset.

Oh no you don't there big mouth. You said there was no National Guard to send because "the NG is on duty elsewhere". Your words, not mine, now back that claim up. Yes, many people have been asking for the Federal Government to help with the border issues but the program and fences Bush signed into law were defunded by Obama. If Obama would just stop blocking the funds we could make huge improvements to the border issues. No, nothign will ever be a 100% solution, but I believe doing nothing has already been proven to not help. And what the heck are you talking about on "dodgy" link? I assume dodgy is australian for not working right but I clicked on both links in my post and they work fine for me, maybe there is something "dodgy" about your internet looking at local links?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/29/mass-flag-pledge-resolution/ More and more examples of how the anti-religion crowd and the socialists are taking away what used to be standard and proud devotion to our Country, they hide behind a clim of the "under God" being offensive but any idiot can just not say those two words and they all know that. God is not really the point of the pledge other than to give credit where it is due because without God, and the many religions and people of faith who believed in God, there would not be a America or personal freedoms to enjoy. No, it is about showing loyalty and promising to support the America that is providing "liberty and justice for all". But that is the real problem, just like the liberals wanting to have open borders with Mexico, there is no real loyalty anymore, people don't really care about the blood that was spilled to create this Nation and provide the freedoms they now enjoy, in my opinion.

Funny as hell Builder, your post was just as long and I answered every point from you line by line but your "too good" to do the same thing? Answering line by line is beneath you but you can do it to someone else? You took IWS to task for refusing to answer direct questions but you DODGE the same number of questions you ask of me? You sir seem to be a chickensh!t, you want to toss insults and ask what you think are brilliant questions but once I shoot down your every attempt and prove you are not even informed about the American politics your trying to look down your nose at, you run away and talk trash? Now, if you want to turn tail and dodge the many points as you called IWS out on then fine, you can be a hypocrite as most socialists do tend to be, but don't think your impressing me or anyone else with your garbage. How about this, why not address this one question if the rest are just too difficult for you, I have asked this question to you three times now, let's see if your man enough to stand up to your own words: You took IWS to task for refusing to offer proof to his claims so now I ask you to do the same thing. You claim that there are no National Guard to work the border because they are all on duty "elsewhere". Please provide proof of that claim, don't just vomit up something so foul and run away from it, either what you said is true or a lie, now stand up to what you said Builder.

Just like your refusal to admit a answer was given and accept it, you spend more time making excuses and putting people down than actually paying attention to the debate at hand. Wrong, you equate the "wrong" and political action as being the same as the "right" action. We demand logical and constitutional action while Obama sets aside our rights and freedoms and does what he pleases even when most of the Country says they don't want his actions like the healthcare bill. Your insult calling people stupid for not accepting Obama's "wrong" actions as "right" proves you really are not interested in honest debate and your instead only wanting to sing like an uninformed canary in support of a socialist. We are a Nation of laws, how about using the legal system to punnish the guilty and hold responsible the careless as is set forth in existing laws of the land? Breaking the law to extort money from a company just because "you think" they may run out, or hide their money is not supported by the laws of the land. That is a loss of freedoms when someone like Obama sets himself above our system of laws. I am using english, meaning anyone who is responsible, it seems logical that the regulatory was way, way too comfy with the industry, several should go to jail in my opinion. They are more responsible then BP, BP was leesing the rig, they did not own it, but the regulatory people were always in charge of making sure the rig was safe. Not crap, dead on, Obama is wasting time building up this slush fund and trying to make political points and none of that directly addresses the problem. Obama even completely ignored the experts that said shutting down oil production was a bad idea, why ask the experts their advise if Obama is just going to ignore them and do whatever he wants anyway? So do you admit Obama has more than your example? You ask questions then when your given the answers you seem to do everything you can to dodge the negative results your scared to admit to. Anyway before I answer your question I have to say you seem horribly uninformed about the political points your attempting to make, how can you talk down your nose about this czar issue when you don't even know that even fellow Democrats are concerned about how far Obama has reached? Try reading this and educate yourself a little if you want to toss stones at our system. http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2009/02/25/25greenwire-byrd-questions-obamas-use-of-policy-czars-9865.html According to who? Does your tiny and insignificant Country dictate laws and policies of America? Last time I checked we made our own decisions and America even saved your Country in The Battle of the Coral Sea where we stopped Japan from taking destroying Australia, so how about showing a tad bit of respect for the only Nation to save your asses? For starters it artifically drives up the cost of oil products but I am an American and I don't have to be personally damaged to have the right to say something done by Obama is wrong. As I already pointed out, we are a Nation of laws, if BP did something wrong then there is a system of laws to follow, Obama went outside of those laws because he feels himself above those laws. And if someone like that is being abusive in one way, he will do it in other ways as well. What is your point Buildre? That is a guy kills your neighbor it does not bother you because you are alive? No, your trying to divert attention away from what is happening in the here and now. What Bush did or did not do is irrelivent to what is right or wrong now. Obama is his own man and took the job, now he is responsible for what he does, it is lame to the extreme to try and claim Obama doing wrong now is okay just because you think Bush did something wrong in the past. Ever hear two wrongs don't make a right? Nice dodge attempt but I don't fall for that kind of childish tactic. Why are you completely ignoring the points made of real harms and broken rights by trying to divert attention to a previous President? Either Obama is doing this or he is not, you have not offered one defense to the actions not being wrong so obviously you admit that Obama has taken away rights and now your trying to justify that by saying it is okay because in your opinion, Bush did something similar. Again, I go back to the promises of "change". Even if you were right in your comparison (but your not) Obama said himself he would not do what other Presidents did, he promised "change" and "hope" as well as a completely new Washington where people worked together. Stop being a blind supporter of anything Obama does and be strong enough to admit the point that has been made, otherwise you prove your not interested in honest debate. Again, your uninformed about what your trying to talk about and it makes you seem foolish. The purchase of health insurance is mandatory, if you don't buy it, your hit with a heavy fine, the same is true for emplouyers, Obama made it mandatory and if the employers do not do it, they also pay the fines. The system we had before the socialists started turning it on it's ear. I don't mind change, but I detest change for the sake of change. Some people like you seem to love change even if it makes everything worse, I tend to be more logical and only embrace the change that brings improvements. Insults? And what exactly does "you had to actually labour for money" mean? I don't understand what you were trying to say but I have my MBA and I run a couple companies to include being a general contractor and I also own a HVAC business so I understand math very well, especially the taxes I pay part. Vague? It was a very specific example of Obama taking $20 billion and creating a slush fund giving him full discretionary spending out of that fund without oversight, how much more specific can someone get? You are not being truthful Builder, you just done have a good answer for the points so your trying to dodge them. Not funny, he never represented America in any way, shape, or form. This story is a prime example of how you guys try to put down America for trying to stop millions of illegals from invading America but you guys cry over a couple hundred. You don't have an illegal problem, we get more illegals in an hour than your Country gets in a year so stop pointing your finger at us when by comparison, your a lot less accepting of illegals than America is. Again, nice attempt at deflection but as much as you like to claim some things do not belong in a honest debate, deflection and avoiding the point is also not an honest debate style. Australia turned away 443 people who needed help, you clearly defend your coast against illegals, but you point your finger at America? More deflection I see. You again refuse to admit the point and try to divert attention away from being proven wrong. But I will not dodge your comment as you dodge mine, sure we sometimes play world cop, but playing world cop saved aven Australia so without someone like America being willing to get involved, you would not now have the cooshy life you live. You own America your life, and all you can do is insult us and put down the same policies that saved your Country from distruction. Did I not just post the story about you guys turning away over 300? The wonderful thing about the internet is I can look directly at even your own sources: http://australia.gov.au/topics/immigration No, you do not have an illegal problem, in fact you guys have such a small issue with illegals you stopped calling them illegals, lol. Information like this is very easy to get: http://www.immi.gov.au/managing-australias-borders/detention/_pdf/immigration-detention-statistics-20100528.pdf So when I speak about Australis having no illegal problems to speak of, I know what I am talking about because I take the time to educate myself on the facts while your stuck not knowing anything about the things your trying to address about America. So these liberals/socialists are really the Borg? Now, back to my question concerning a claim you made talking to eddo. You took IWS to task for refusing to offer proof to his claims so now I ask you to do the same thing. You claim that there are no National Guard to work the border because they are all on duty "elsewhere". Please provide proof of that claim, don't just vomit up something so foul and run away from it, either what you said is true or a lie, now stand up to what you said Builder.

Facts carry weight, not your brainwashed repeating of talking points that have been spoon fed to you. The last President signed a law to secure the border, this President blocked that law by taking away the funding. You see facts, show the real problem is the Liberal (socialist) blocking solutions. Doing something about illegal immigration without repubs in some sort of power to blame it on could alienate much of the Hispanic vote. Can't do that, not while running for re-election anyway! They certainly need that hispanic vote because just about everyone else is pissed off at them these days, lol. I find it interesting you claim IWS is dodging your direct questions so you turn to me and I play your game of line by line comments/questions then you run away, I see several direct questions as well as many comments I have offered you waiting for your reply but you run away? Don't complain about IWS then you do exactly what you claimed IWS did. That would make you a hypocrite.

I know you were writing to eddo but your taking way too many potshots at all Americans in general and decent people like eddo for me to be silent on your BS. Facts carry weight, not your brainwashed repeating of talking points that have been spoon fed to you. The last President signed a law to secure the border, this President blocked that law by taking away the funding. You see facts, show the real problem is the Liberal (socialist) blocking solutions. There are many ways to impliment a style of "flat tax", not just one, the best way is the fair tax proposal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax Right, defending our border would mean we are communists, but of course you guys turn away 434 people, some needing emergency medical help and that is okay......... What the hell are you talking about? The only thing stopping the President from using troops is his agenda, we have plenty of available troops both full time and part time in the national guard. This is about politics, not availability of soldiers. Link please providing proof that all of the National Guard is on duty elsewhere....being as you just took shots at IWS for not backing up his claims I am sure you would not just vomit up something like that and refuse to back it up with hard proof.......right? I hate to call you names but your acting like everyone in America including eddo here is stupid. Of course we know why poor people want to come to America, that has never been in question, the same reasons why those 434 people from Afghanistan wanted to come to Australia, the reason why Australia turned those desperate people away was they felt their being poor and desperate was not the fault of the Australian people, just like the po0verty of the Mexican people is not the fault of Americans. The question is not why they want to come to America, the real question is why the Liberals took away the funding Bush approved to help secure and protect the border just like you Australians like to defend your own coast from invasion.

I just think it is funny as hell that some idiots still believe there is such a thing as "man caused" global warming. Enough facts have been revealed to prove that all of this was simply an elaborate Hoax designed to make money and gain political power. More and more hard scientists have distanced themselves away from this topic and even if they will not directly speak against it, they are not supporting it like they used to so the only people still being vocal in supporting this farce are politicians, people who make billions on the "alternatives" like Al Gore, or scientists who will lose grants (no paychecks) if they admit there is no "man caused" global warming.

Great post eddo, real problems, real solutions offered, all factual and honest.

You won't get any arguement from me on that point, but IWS has this thing with holding grudges and taking stuff personal, I don't really understand that myself because I find it impossible to get angry over someone who does not agree with me. What is the point of that last part? Why do you feel you have to be insulting? So if I don't agree with you I am stupid or something? Why do you assume your superior to anyone who does not agree with you? I will let that go because it seems to me your doing that to avoid the fact you made a horrible comment before your insult and you want to not have that pointed out. I don't want Obama to "act" for the sake of actions, I want him to do what he is supposed to do, nothing more. Extorting $20 billion is not action, it is self-serving politicial games, nothing more. Action is conducting a fast but accurate study of what went wrong and putting the people who let this happen in jail for not doing their jobs. Your possition Builder seems to be "any" action is okay, I give you an example, if I have a bad infection in my right foot that cannot be cured, how does the action to cut off my left foot make the situation better? Well that is exactly what this administration is doing, cutting off the left foot and ignoring the right that is infected. The guys name is Kenneth R. Feinberg. And you could certainly find a few czars in previous administrations and while I did not like them either, and for the same reasons, I still would like you too see that if you compare one-to-one with the current administration you will see that Obama has many, many more than Bush did and not just the number but to me the bigger story is "what these people have power over" that makes the bigger difference. Even a few middle of the road Democrats have expressed concern over how many Czars Obama has. And one other thing, didn't Obama campaign on "CHANGE"? Why is it the only excuse people come up with is "well the last guy did it, or something similar"? If the reason people turned to Obama was to get "CHANGE" from what Bush was doing, why is Obama still doing those things and then some? The amount and your opinion of it being big or small is irrelivent, the point is was it right or wrong? You asked for an example of a loss of freedom, this is an example, and as already pointed out, your trying to dodge the significance of this very good example. That is why IWS does not want to waste time talking to you because you ask a question, given a great exampl then you pretend like the example is nothing. Start a new thread if you want to talk about old and irrelivent news, I may even agree with you a little bit because I did not like everything Bush did while in office either. But that has nothing to do with the loss of freedom your said you wanted to talk about, you seem to be trying very hard to change the subject. Besides, what is your point in trying to bring up previous administrations? It is your possition that if Bush took away 1 freedom that it is now okay for Obama to take away 20? This is the here and now, blaming everything currently happening on an old President solves nothing. Again, as IWS pointed out, you ask a question, are given an answer and you dodge admitting the point has been made. We made a choice, almost all Americans expressed concerns over this plan and Obama ignored the people and did what he wanted to do, sure we can vote against him and the other liberals who passed this garbage but how does that change what is already done? Anyone who thinks this can be completely "fixed" is an idiot, this is how true socialist beliefs get put into effect against the wishes of the people, baby steps, sure many aspects will be changed, but they got their foot in the door, now all they have to do is keep pushing to get that door opened wider. Again, your dodging the point you asked for and that is an example of loss freedoms, if the American has to jump through hoops to keep his own money then that is another loss freedom, why should these liberals (Socialists) want to take what I earned in the first place? If they believe their money is not earned than give it up themselves, don't try to impose those heavy taxes on me because I don't agree in the concept of "social justice". We are promised equal opportunity, not equal results. How much evidence do you need? We give you an example and you don't refute the example but you instead try to downplay or sidestep the examples given and claim no evidence was offered. IWS gave you a great example in the first post but still you will not admit the example was given and you ignored it. Taking them by the boatload? Well a boat only has a couple seats so don't bragg too much there Builder, and yes your Country is at odds with that tiny number being allowed to stay. I remember this story from 2001: http://www.danielpipes.org/50/australias-crisis-of-illegal-immigration I loved this part "When the Australians realized the Tampa was coming their way on August 27, Prime Minister John Howard forbade it from entering the country's territory, saying that Australia cannot be seen "as a country of easy destination." The captain obeyed, stopping just nine kilometers outside Australian waters." Builder, that was only 443 people and you guys refused to accept them, so don't preach to Americans about our illegal immigration issues. No, our problem "IS" larger because it involved millions of illegals costing us trillions of dollars to support them. My point about australia is even you guys complain and you have almost no illegal imigration problem in comparison. As with most issues like this, the laws are passed but the next administration blocks the funding, in this case spending bills and cutbacks in the homeland security department took away the money from the project approved by the Bush administration. Builder, the only "CHANGE" we are resisting is the change to reduce freedoms and serve Obama's personal political agendas instead of serving the American people as he is supposed to be doing.

I believe it is pretty clear that they have enabled more attacks on children by trying to protect both the offender and the church image. Once they swept an incident under the rug, they were willing partisipants to the coverup and in my opinion, were just as guilty of the attack as the monster they protected. I know that most of their desire to "keep is quiet" is to save face in the community, but they were doing it in the wrong way, if you ask me, the best way to save face is to toss the monster to the wolves and show a complete lack of tollerance for priests who molest children.

IWS does dodge direct questions on a regular basis but he does so even with me because he does not have the ability to get into small details, he wants people to just accept the general point he offers without going into details. I on the other hand dodge nothing, but I will say this, IWS offered a great example in the first post, where is the freedom in Obama extorting a private slush fund of $20 billion dollars from BP? Obama will have full discretion through his latest Czar to spend that money any way he wants to spend it, including to use that money for more rewarding of political supporters and not send money or less money to those who did not offer him support. "IF" BP owed money to Americans then all of that should have been settled in a Courtroom, not in Obama's private office where Obama bullied his way into getting this slush fund. Another great example of loss freedoms is the healthcare bill that forces every American to purchase health insurance that Obama designed. No matter how it is justified with Liberal (socialist) logic, either we are free to choose or we are not. Obama and his fellow socialists/progressives all want to take away our choices and tell us what to do and how to live and their wisdom comes with the penalty of massive tax increases.........so we have to pay more for less freedoms under their style of Government. So IWS and I as well as other people do give you guys examples but you two seem determined to not see those examples, to ignore them and act like the points were never made. IWS even offered an example of how you guys bash the American immigration issues but your own Country does not allow open borders to all people, in fact your Country is very protective and there are many people there who complain that the boat people issues you have is hurting the Nation. Australia has almost no illegal imigration and yet you guys still cry about it, so why take shots at us when our problem is a million times bigger than yours? There is another freedom for you, the freedom from being invaded, attacked, and killed while Obama refuses to secure the border until Republicans vote for a reform package, and guess what, as happened before, the empty promise to secure the border will never happen because Obama will have his reform and no reason to fund the border security anymore.

Well all lives have problems, but not all lives have love, I will wish you luck on things working out for you and Dennis, with a strong love, all hardships can be more easily handled. Good to hear from you Ali.

The liberals are in power "right now" and as a part of being in power is you have to take the blame for what you control. The things I and many other hold dear are things such as freedoms and the ability to stand on my own two feet and find success/failure according to my own abilities in life. Liberals/socialists/progressives are the exact opposite of what so many people like me believe in where their main focus is "social justice" where they feel the only reason people are poor is because other people hold them down. These folks impede my success (by asking for more and more taxes from my pocket and oppressive legislation that kills jobs) and they remove the freedoms that I and many other people hold dear. I was just as critical against past "so called" Republicans like Bush when he supported things like the amnesty bill, I don't "just" call out the Liberals, but it is "MOSTLY" those kinds of people who want to eliminate freedoms for everyone else. If they were only taking away their freedoms I would not mind, but when they want to give away mine, I will speak out against that.

Ya, I believe Bender tried calling me by that guys name as an insult a few times but being as I never heard of him I didn't get Bender's joke, lol. Seems to me like the most radical of the socialists watch other radilcals and believe that is the way other people are, but guess what guys, while the radicals may be operating most of the leadership possisitions with the Liberals, that is not the case for most of the leadership in Conservative circles.

And you as well as several other people here do the same exact thing to me all the time, inserting things I never said to discussions so you have an excuse to talk down to me. Don't get angry when you get back what you give Anna. The point is the abuse of power, your right that there are other great discussions that can be had but answer me a question........why do you think you should try and "STOP" this discussion? Why not take those other topics you mentioned and start some new threads to discuss those things also? Because your not really interested in those other things, your just trying to create an excuse to take shots at people. This is a great discussion to an America because freedoms are the thing we are founded in, there are still a few people who live here who see these freedoms as important and when someone like Obama comes along and tears down those freedoms that small number of us who feel they are important become vocal about it.

I'm not so sure about that. McCain has flip flopped more than a college co-ed walking down the beach on spring break. Dude got super soft during the election, and is now trying to pass his "I'm a tough guy" image again to win re-election in the state senate. I'm not buying it. Just like Obama, he woulda swayed whichever way the wind blew him, and I think he woulda played the same kind of card Obama is now: barely on the job for a year, and already running for re-election... Obama does not go the way the wind blows, this is my point, if the same policies were attempted McCain would have backed down because the people stood up and complained, do you remember the amnesty bill McCain and even Bush got behind? That was one time I was completely pissed off at Bush, but the public spoke up and they backed off. Obama does not do that, Obama does what he wants and screw the complaints. That is why I can easily say we would never have stuff like this passed under McCain, everything from the so called stimulus bill to the new healthcare bill would never have happened under McCain, the many "czars" Obama has appointed to get around the confirmation process, and we certainly would not be seeing the race pimping that is currently going on with this administration....beer sumit to show support for a black guy who abuses cops but Obama refuses to deal with the border problems, none of this would be at issue if McCain had been elected. Now don't get me wrong, I am sure "some" stuff would get passed that I would not like, but the scale of harm done by McCain would be easily fixed, what Obama is doing will not be fixed, do you think the healthcare bill will be overturned? If Obama does give blanket pardons to all illegals do you think that can be easily reversed? Once the horse gets out of the barn, it is too late to close the door.

Never going to happen. It's a bluff to bring Repubs in Congress to the table about immigration reform. I will hope your right IWS, but I have to say that most "experts" thought Obama would back down from pushing the healthcare bill after all the polls, even the liberal polls all showed that most Americans did not want that bill to pass. More often than not Obama seems to not even notice those he is trampling on as long as he can push his agenda through.

Obviously, if your conducting a "secret early release program" the fact that your keeping it secret should be a clue that your doing something stupid.

I posted in another thread a story out today concerning the plans for this administration to offer blanket amnesty in the form of pardons for all illegals in America. Just incredible.

And get the nightmare that is Obama instead. No option is perfect, all choices in life have good and bad that go with them. I did not think McCain was a "great" choice, but I knew the alternative was Obama and the most radical left wing administration to ever exist. I hate voting for "the least of all evils" but we have to understand that by the time someone is well known enough to win a National election that person is not going to be "everything" we would love to have. My choice was a 100% socialist in Obama, and a 70% conservative in McCain, to me the decision was easy, I will never knowingly help a pure socialist gain power, never. Why? Because of stuff like this: "unilaterally" issue blanket amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants? Really? And you believe voting for McCain was worse than this result?