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Actually no, this story was posted on one of my other boards and I thought it was interesting being as we have been discussing the "real" reasons healthcare costs are so high, I will pm you with a link to the other site to prove it.

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998 "Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration?s policy towards Iraq, I don?t think there can be any question about Saddam?s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002

Story and comment deleted per request by emkay. Yes, I can see that some might think this was done to intentionally take a shot at someone, but that was not my intention. I saw it on one of my other boards and it fit perfectly with the many stories of why our healthcare costs and insurance costs keep exploding out of control. In the spirit of trying to keep the peace, I will drop this story.........but I do not feel it is right that I have to tip toe around to avoid hurting someone's feelings when nobody ever shows me the same consideration..........but then again, who ever said the world was fair, lol.

Again, you keep talking about a lie, what lie are you talking about Bender? Instead of the dodging how about we narrow this down to the point of what was the lie? Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton both had the same access to information that Bush had and both of them agreed with what Bush said so how can you claim Bush lied? Do you think Bush was smarter than everyone else and was capable of reaching a different conclusion than they did when shown the same information?

I will go ahead and field this one. Do all doctors accept Medicaid? No. So if Obamacare is passed will all doctors accept that? No. The few doctors who will accept it will be flooded by people suddenly ready to use their 'free' medical entitlements. That will cause more rationing than we even see currently with Medicaid. The real point is that the Government has done a horrible job with every entitlement it has ever operated, what makes anyone think this would be an exception to the rule?

I am not trying to drag you into anything, I am just responding to eddo trying to make me sound bad and I am showing how I am not the only person who says Bender is an excuse machine for Obama. I didn't want to be dragged into this either, but Ali and eddo really never take no for an answer when they are ready to flame someone. eddo, I am glad you think I helped you but you helped me more than you think.

Yes they did Bender. All of them voted on the action in support of it. Bush could not send troops into war without the Congress. But the point was your claim of a lie, I offered you liberal after liberal including Bill Clinton all supporting what Bush said, so did everyone lie or not Bender.....why do you always dodge direct questions?

I had to giggle at Bender's reply, instead of dodging every point one way, he did it many ways and never actually answered a single point in an honest way. You told the truth, and they just can't face the truth.

You were either ripping MrsK apart or you were not eddo. In this case you were, you and Ali kept offering MrsK's "PAST" as your excuse for your bad behavior and all I was saying is that kind of behavior is wrong under any circumstance. Your doing the same thing to me, based on the hate you two feel from the past, you believe that justified bad behaviors against me now. Your past feelings against me, MrsK or anyone elase does not make bad bahavior on your part good. You called me an ass about 30 seconds before wishing me a happy birthday, forgive me for thinking that the happy birthday wish seemed diminished based on that. I am rejecting your negative actions eddo. You have never treated me with a shread of decency so what do you offer me to open up to you? Am I supposed to be passive and meek in the face of constant agression from you? Friendship goes both ways, it seems you both want me to do all the giving and even be dishonest for you to not be ugly to me. When asked Bender does agree with everything Obama does and even makes excuses for everything he does.........bad example eddo. Even RO and IWS has said the same thing about Bender in one form or another. Look at the list RO posted and Bender replied to today for example. Bender called RO a liar in most of the list. He said it himself, not me, another bad example. I even used his own quotes against him but he is so against cops in general he could not apply any responsibility to the guy who was showing his azz. Control? I only reply to what you actually do and say, nothing more. Anything else is a figment of your imagination. Ali, if your going to try and talk religion at least educate yourself a little before you open your mouth. There is nothing in any Christian faith that says man cannot judge man, in fact we are encouraged to do so in many ways but the real issue is to only judge on the leval your prepared to be judged yourself. eddo could have explained that to you but as usual even if your wrong, he will look the other way in the name of your friendship.

Sending troops or not does not change the words to lie Bender. So if Bush lied, so did both Clintons and many other liberals: "Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002 "The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002 "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002 "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002 "The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002 So did all these people lie too?

A lie means Bush knew there were no WMD's....how do you think he knew better than the intelligence agencies Bender? "The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998 "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002 Even both Clintons agreed with the data, how can you say Bush lied when even they agreed with everything Bush said?

You told a lie, I didn't force you to do that so you can't blame me.

Who started this fight Ali? It certainly was not me. You have made cut down after cut down on me in this thread but suddenly "YOUR" a victim? This is the main reason your holding this grudge Ali, admit it or not that is up to you. You lie. I didn't even know who you were Ali. I showed up new knowing only a couple people from here and you were not one of them. The MrsK thread was going strong and I responded to what I saw as very nasty behaviors. You and eddo was ripping her apart and I simply pointed out that it was not fair to treat any person in such a horrible way. And this is the best point about you that can ever be made, I am very glad you just made it for me. To you, all that matters is your history and anger, not the subject at hand. You look for excuses to act poorly based on your past. You hold grudges and allow those grudges to color what you say instead of restricting your comments on the facts at hand. In this case I am not doing 99% of what your accusing me of, but your again justifying very bad behaviors on our history, not anything I actually did. Me, MrsK, the person does not matter, all that matters is your anger.

What was the lie Bender? Why is it you dodge every direct question asked of you while everyone else here always answers every question or request you make? As I already pointed out, it is not any "ONE" association that shows Obama for who he truly is, it is the many, many associations and comments that show this. You ever hear the old saying "birds of a feather flock together"? 'Judge me by the people who surround me' - Barack Obama His own words Bender. We look to who he has surrounded himself with his entire life and we see radical after radical who believe in everything from 9/11 being an inside job to forced abortions being reasonable. We see race pimps and anti-Government wackos.

[attach=full]2518[/attach] The liberals had their share of nutjobs as well, Obama and his fellow radical liberals like you Bender are just using this as a way to dodge taking responsibility for their actions and beliefs. Why don't you instead try to answer to RO's 17 points? If your as superior as you keep pretending to be you should be able to offer an explanation to all of them in just a few seconds.............unless you have no defense for them, and that would be my guess.

It "is" all about you Ali, because your the one acting so poorly. Think about it for a second, I have always been the same and acted the same, but you have not. I never jumped you at the jungle, that is a lie on your part. I tried to avoid you because you were trying the same bully tactics there your now trying here. What got you pissed off at me there and your still holding onto is when I said the belt you got to force you to eat less was not really necessary, all it did was force you to eat less and you could accomplish that yourself without the surgery. You lost your mind, eddo and the rest followed suit and after it was all said and done, pretty much everyone agreed that your problem was inside your own mind and your lack of self control......but I should have been "nicer" and not pointed out that fact. I was not even trying to hurt you, I was just playing devil's advocate and trying to help you be sure you really should go under the knife for the right reasons. You can let that go or live with it your entire life, I really do not care, but your just acting foolish now.

And yet I have always been the same guy from day one, but your recent loss of control was based not on me being who I have alwys been but instead driven by your need to protect eddo. Everything your saying now is an attempt to 'get even' with me for them. You are the one who keep changing who you are from day to day Ali. One day you say I am a valuable member of the forum who adds an important element the next your saying this crap.........your the one who plays friend so you can turn around and stab me in the back Ali.

17 great examples, but completely worthless to the excuse machines because they already know that none of it has to do with his color. They just can't offer reasonable debate to your 17 points, so off to discussion ending tactics they go. You, IWS, and myself have made these points and others and up to right now, Bender even refuses to let himself see these points so he does not have to respond to them. It is just easier to claim none of these concerns even exist and block discussion with racist claims than to defend what they know cannot be defended.

What was the lie Bender?

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Johns Hopkins student kills apparent burglar with sword - CNN.com (CNN) -- A Johns Hopkins University student killed an apparent burglar with a samurai sword after discovering the man in his garage, police said Tuesday. Baltimore, Maryland, police received a phone call shortly before 1:30 a.m. Tuesday about a suspicious person, and an off-duty officer arrived at the scene with campus security, city police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said. When authorities arrived, they heard calls for help and for police, he said. They discovered a suspected burglar with a severed left hand and severe lacerations to his upper body, Guglielmi said. The suspect died at the scene, he said. The man had entered a home where several Johns Hopkins students lived, Guglielmi said. Four students, one armed with a samurai sword, had confronted the suspect in the garage. The man "lunged" at the students, and the student with the sword defended himself, severing the man's left hand and cutting his upper body, Guglielmi said. Police did not release the name of the suspect, who Guglielmi said had a long criminal history, or that of the student. Police questioned the three witnesses, Guglielmi said, and released them. It was not immediately clear whether all four students lived at the house, he said. Authorities are determining whether the student will face criminal charges, Guglielmi said. Burglars had taken two laptops and a Sony PlayStation from the students' home Monday, Guglielmi said. The burglary suspect had been released from prison Saturday, Guglielmi said. Released on Saturday, killed in the process of burglary, seems like he has been rewarded for his long and well established career.

It is just part of the united front to insert race issues and derail honest debate. They cannot answer the hard questions like how do they make Obamacare ?deficit neutral? when every expert agrees that it is impossible. This is my point about Obama, he can easily come out and say this kind of commentary is wrong but does he? No. Why? Because it helps him as long as he does not say the words himself. He took a pretty big drop in popularity with his 'stupid' comment to the police officer and that is why he scrambled to have the beer summit so now he just sits back and let's everyone else do it.

ATLANTA - Former President Jimmy Carter said Tuesday that U.S. Rep. Joe Wilson's outburst to President Barack Obama during a speech to Congress last week was an act "based on racism" and rooted in fears of a black president. "I think it's based on racism," Carter said in response to an audience question at a town hall held at his presidential center in Atlanta. "There is an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president." "Those kind of things are not just casual outcomes of a sincere debate on whether we should have a national program on health care," he said. "It's deeper than that."

Well said, there were lots of chances for Obama to come out against radical behaviors but in this case he only came out because this idiot does not have any political ties to him. I don't see him calling all his friends at ACORN 'STUPID' for example.

Yep, I hacve seen that myself for a long time, lol.