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I already gave one very big example and there are many other examples such as not doing the invasion of Iraq correctly as in shutting down the borders to prevent what happened with most of the insurgency being caused by outside help from places like Iran. As commander in chief he bears a lot of that blame. Bender, What did Bush lie about? If your talking about WMD's in Iraq how can you say he lied? He had no way of having "Independent knowledge" outside the intelligence community and even Both Clintons admitted that the information mateched information they were aware of during his presidency. There was no lie there, unless your saying everyone was in on the lie including the clintons: "The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998 "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

Let's see if I can get this right: "You are what you hate and that is why you hate it." You can scream it day and night Ali and it does not make it so, I am not the guy your trying to make me sound like just because you and your friends have hurt your own feelings and you want me to say I am sorry for what you did to yourself. I am a great guy but I do not pretend reality does not exist just to save someone's feelings. For some reason you feel I should feel obligated to lie for you to make you feel better.....well it ain't gonna happen. So was there not this big issue about me not seeing your smiles and stuff? So more double standards? You use a smile and that means you were saying a completely innocent joke but if I use one I am not joking........Your double standards has always been my point when your angry. A coward? Here I am Ali, every time you have challenged me to a head on flame war I have given in to your demands in my attempt to let you vent your frustrations but still nothing gets solved Ali. I don't needle and prod the way you claim but what am I to do if you have brainwashed yourself into believing that garbage just so you have an excuse to be ugly? So you would respect me if I were to admit to doing something I never did? This is almost all in your head Ali, I cannot be held responsible for what you do or how you manipulate your own mind into believing you need to go into full attack mode. I have never tried to control you Ali, but you have tried to control me with your bully tactics and I refuse to be bullied. Ali, I am not the guy who abused you in your past, stop acting like I am. All men are not like the guy who did that stuff to you. If I had been around you and saw that happen you would not have had to deal with it because I would have dealt with him myself, the only time in my life I got my azz beaten was when I stood up for a woman who was slapped by her boyfriend. I took him out but I didn't know he was there with several friends. I have never stabbed you in the back, never divuldged a secrete, never abused you or tried to cause you harm or pain. I have no idea what you mean because I would never act in such ways, out of the two of us, only you have been crude enough to attack my family, call me a liar in all things and insulted me whenever I dared to stand up to you. It is you who demands these flame wars so you can attack me. It is you who goes off the deep end every time one of your friends looks foolish and you have to help them save face. My offer of friendship or at least peace is an honest one while yours is conditional to me cowering down to you.....that is not going to ever happen. You refused to look back at eddo's posts because you know I was right and eddo was wrong. Your wrong to flame me when you refuse to even know what your talking about. All that matters to you is your friend eddo needs your help to get him out of a mess he caused. Lie to yourself if you like, if it makes you feel better I guess there is nothing I can do about that. But I am not wrong just because you blind yourself to the truth just to preserve your memory of eddo as a perfect little angel. Okay, that was very funny, lol, good one Ruth....baby....

Obama is the product of many corrupt groups from his long involvement in that church to the Chicago machine to ACORN, etc..... As I said before, any one association, even two, but group and person after person keeps comming up that show Obama is truly part of this mindset of corruption. If? I was then and I am now completely against many things Bush has done, too bad you can't ever say the same thing about Obama, your 100% excuse machine for your messiah.

Three? That many? You do that in a day when your pissed off Ali. I do not agree with your assessment of the three either but even if I did......so what? You can't slam me hundreds of times and then complain when I do it three times over a period of months. And one of them must be yourself, lol. Seriously, you just described yourself when your mad at someone Ali, I have seen you rip people apart just how you described and I was not even thought of. I looked back in some of your interesting exchanges at the jungle before I even got there so you can't blame this on me, there is something inside yourself that goes for the throat, you have to E-kill. Well you certainly did not need to go back that far to see I was telling the truth but it was certainly an option if you doubted my word. The point is you refused to even try to look back at all, you just assumed eddo was not capable of it because he was your friend. I am telling the truth, but you don't care about the truth. And yet you do not get this out of control unless eddo or someone is made to look bad as just happened. eddo was in the wrong, and even thought he was wrong, you felt I deserved to be attacked anyway. If they can take care of themselves, then let them instead of using them as an excuse to be nasty. Not really, you still feel it is reasonable to flame me even if I am right, that is simply strange to me. So what is the point of all the flames Ali? I am not the person your trying to make me into but your still flamming away so why do that if your not trying to drive me away? Just to look good to your friends? They need to see you will support them like a crazy woman even when their wrong?

Sometimes, sometimes not. I will not try to say that I have not hurt anyone's feelings because I have seen some act like I have but the real question is, was that the purpose of what I said or an unintentional byproduct of the debate and not meant as a personal attack for the sake of it as you guys do? I do not go out of my way to flame anyone and never attack your families and stuff as you do. The day you can stop all of that on purpose attacks is the day I concern myself with what your opinions are on that. I will tell you now that yes, a couple times when you or someone else has been especially ugly I have added in a small return jab here or there but nothing close to the kind of intentional attempts at trying to hurt me that you guys have made against me. You even attack my loved ones and try calling me a liar even about my personal life. The one time I return that liar claim at eddo to show you guys what it is like you lost your minds, just one time and somehow the world has come to an end but you do it hundreds of times and it is no big deal. In the recent deal with eddo you stuck up for him and said you would not believe he had been posting purely negative to and about me. I asked you to not take my word for it and look for yourself but you refused. You "BLINDLY" support eddo even if he is wrong.......there is nothing I can do about that kind of thing but I refuse to be bullied just because you want to live a fantacy that your friends are always blameless in everything they do. Are your friends really so weak in your mind they can't stand up to me on their own and need you to "mother" them? Protect them even from themselves? So like me, hate me, no big deal. If your not likeing me was really a big deal.....would I still be here? I have a question for you, what do you expect from me Ali? Do you think I will suddenly stop posting based on pure debate and start "holding my tongue' because I am scared I might offend you or one of your friends out of fear of your nasty side? Do you want me to leave and never return so you can protect your 'friends' from my "PC free" debating style? It was not that long ago you said I added a needed element to this forum........funny how fast these things change when it involves one of your friends and how that friend is the one who is wrong, but you do not care about that do you? Still today you do not care that eddo really has been purely negative to me, all you care about is supporting him and if that means this kind of childish behavior then that is exactly what you will do.

I didn't make up any excuses, your again trying to shrug off all blame on other people, I fully admit your right that some of the funding came from the Bush administration...........but Bush was never directly involved with the management of ACORN, Obama was. Not one Conservative ever managed or worked at any ACORN branch so they have had nothing to do with the way 'business' has been run in that arena. The thing is you can never find fault in their actual actions but you find all kinds of fault in anyone who is not a Liberal. I have been a fairly strong supporter of Bush over his 8 years but I have also blasted him many, many times for doing things I knew was wrong. Not once have I ever felt the need to blindly support him just because he was a conservative. Maybe because I never saw him as a true conservative or then again maybe it is because I do not blindly follow anyone, but you would never catch me making up excuses for his behaviors when I knew he was wrong. One great example is when he joined liberals in their desire to offer amnesty to all illegals. I ranted against that crap because I did not care what his party was, what he wanted was bad for the Country and did not address any of the problems at hand. Still today America's borders are unsecured and Obama is not going to do anything about that either.

lol, you quote Julie Driscoll? Talk about digging deep for some way to try and blame this on Bush.......and is that not the normal tactic? Never take responsibility for nothing, blame racists, blame Bush, blame anything but never, ever admit to doing anything wrong......that is the excuse machine (Bender) motto. Bush was not a real Conservative, he screwed up many times in my opinion, but there was not one conservative in charge of the day to day operations and policy decisions of ACORN. The activities of ACORN are what is at issue, not where they got their start. Think of it like the ACLU, the laws were written by many people, but it took the ACLU to twist laws so badly that having a nativity display is a crime but killing someone is not..........

I guess as long as it makes sense to you, go for it, lol.

Did Obama come out and call the judges 'stupid' yet? EDIT Back on topic, a third video was release this time in new york: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,549903,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r2:c0.058140:b27703568:z0 The part I love is where the ACORN management says they are going to sue FOX and everyone else, how can you act that way when your busted with your hand in the cookie jar? They know they are dead wrong and yet they are comming out on the attack like they are the victim? Please.

Ali, what is it about you that has to turn everything into a war? Even at the jungle you kept asking me to the flame section and called me chicken so many times I gave you your chance but what does it accomplish? I was not trying to flame you or anyone else, just ask you a question of how we know who is real and who is crazy. As I keep pointing out, anyone who sees an attack in something like that is inserting that idea themselves because it does not come from me. Your so ready to see the negative, that is all your ever going to see even if it is not there. EDIT Oh, speak for yourself, you don't like me fine, that is you and that has not been in quetion for over a year now. But I do not hate you in any way, shape, or form. I do not like some of your nasty ways, but you are more than just that so I will choose to not like some of your actions and still like you as a person because when your not on attack mode, your a pretty good person. But when you are on attack mode, there is no limits, nothing is too harsh or outside of common decency if your angry or defending one of your friends. Truth be damned, facts be damned, you have some E-Killing to do.........and it will be done at all costs.

Actually I was not trying to be negative, I believe in this stuff actually. My mother called my great neice the other day and told her to go get a pregnancy test because she had the feeling she was pregnant........turns out she was pregnant, there is no logical way of explaining that. My great neice lives in Michigan and my mother lives in Florida. I was only pointing out that what causes a lot of people to doubt these things is that some are actually crazy, not an insult to admit that.

I believe there really are those who are able to do things that cannot be explained, but I also believe some who "think" they are empathic are actually suffering from a kind of schizophrenia or other mental illness. People who are crazy fully believe heart and soul that when is happening in their heads is real. Now, how do we tell the two apart?

Right here noticing it all, where have you been? My point was responding about Bender's complaint about folks not being totally honest in reply to Obamacare. Obama started the lies so everyone is following suit. And neither is the lie itself. Do you think saying a lie softly makes it better? I agree the guy was an idiot, but in my opinion Obama was just as disrespectful to his office and that chamber by standing there telling lie after lie on purpose. A leg to stand on? You need to ease up on the drining RO, your not making any sense, Bender spoke on his perspective, I spoke on mine, I am sure you speak from yours, what is your problem? Again, my post was about Bender's claim everyone else is telling lies but if we look at the start, it is Obama who is setting the stage with his own lies first and everyone else is just following suit. That is why I kept it simple ans asked about Obama's repeated promise to keep this Obamacare "deficit neutral". Nobody believes that claim, everyone interviewed even on the shows on ABC says this is impossible.

Is that not the point IWS? Bender knows that Obama has made race comments before and certainly the Cop thing was entirely motivated by race, but my biggest point is the surrogates you mention. Hundreds of times close advisors and even his campaign workers would play the race card and Obama never came out against it. Like Bender's comment: Obama does not flat out play the race card, but "NOT" putting down the claims of his surrogates is the same thing as saying it himself.

Even you said us not agreeing with Obama's vision means we are racist Bender, sure you soft pan it but it is all designed to stop discussion because you can't face the actual questions. Here again you dip into attacking Bush because you cannot answer the direct questions asked of you. I have put down Bush many times for the things he has done, I took issue all the time, funny that you "NEVER" find fault with anything Obama does. Your just an excuse machine.

I feel the same way, I am not one to sit humbly on the sidelines and watch things get ruined without speaking out. I will admit to being more energetic than maybe I should sometimes but I do take the destruction of our freedoms and the arrogance of some politicians personally. Why? Because it IS personal. Long after I am gone my family will continue and the foundations we set now will hurt them more than me. I would love to help preserve some of the freedoms that made my life possible for my children, and their children. And most of that distortion and lies is from Obama and as the leader of the discussion, everyone else is simply following his lead. If he would admit to things like the cost of his program maybe some other people would not go to the other extreme to counter his lie........maybe? Forget all the other questions Bender, forget the past arguements.....do you really believe this bill will be "deficit neutral" as Obama has promised no less than 40 times? Answer that one question for me without a lot of disclaimers and excuses....please.

So your a racist

Another ACORN office: Second Video Shows ACORN Officials Helping 'Pimp,' 'Prostitute' in Washington Office - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com "One day after two ACORN officials in Baltimore were fired for offering to help a man and woman posing as a pimp and prostitute to engage in child prostitution and a series of tax crimes, another secretly shot videotape has surfaced that shows the same couple getting similar advice from ACORN officers in Washington." "The ACORN employee later suggests that O'Keefe, who said he had a budding political career, not linger at the house in case people "put the dots together" and leave him "smeared and tarnished" by his association with his prostitute girlfriend. She should keep her business "low key," the employee continued, saying "You have neighbors and they see stuff. Don't think that people won't get on the telephone and call Fox." Call FOX? It is incredible how these people see the only news group that would be interested in a crime is FOX news, is this even more evidence that everyone knows that all the other Networks have stopped reporting the news and are nothing more than extensions of the Democrat party?

Okay, I giggled loud enough to get one of the girls' attention, hard to not show this stuff to the ladies when they ask what I am giggling about, but clearly not office safe material, lol.

But I really think it is backfiring on them, Obama has been playing the race card over and over again for over a year now, always to block discussing things he cannot face. But now the people are finally starting to get it, Obama and company are upsetting the moderates who are finally starting to see that people are not racists just because they do not agree with Obama. I hope this is true, because things will finally be forced into real discussion and possible change........the change we were promised from the start.

True A lot of it is pretty warm too.......

lol, say it again brother

Well said, I have been calling Bender the excuse machine for months now because no matter how bad Obama and company behave, Bender offers excuses for it all, when there is no excuse like now, he uses the race card, or calls the people asking good questions radicals while refusing to actually answer the questions, and that was the point, to dodge the questions.

Even if that is reality Ali? That is the point your missing, your completely falling for the political correct game Ali. They want you to not place blame where it belongs because that help them. Can you name any Conservatives who want this political correct change? Or is this a liberal/Obama creation such as him ordering the change to not call our fighting a war on terrorism anymore. Sometimes you have to place blame where it belongs.