NO EVIDENCE OF GODS

[bob young]

Pastor Frank wrote:

> "bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
> news:45DA6803.3113FCE4@netvigator.com...
> > rbwinn wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Well, here is a verse from Isaiah. No need to get irrational.
> >> Isaiah 2:17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the
> >> haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the Lord alone shall be
> >> exalted in that day.
> >> Robert B. Winn
> >
> > Nothing could be MORE irrational than quoting ad infinitum,
> > verses from an old book written by one primitive out of a gaggle of
> > primitives
> > Grow up
> >
> You just evidence again your being severely perceptually and
> philosophically challenged. "Primitives" indeed!!! With you it's not just a
> matter of "growing up", it's the need for treatment, ...and Jesus is the
> answer.

Sorry but - no thanks.

"If anyone comes to Me,
and does not hate his own father and mother
and wife and children
and brothers and sisters,
yes, and even his own life,
he cannot be My disciple."
Luke 14:26.

[if I had to pander to an early 'fad'
I would chose Buddha,
at least he existed and he never propagated cruelty and arrogance]

Lord Buddha preached: "We will have to find out the cause of sorrow and the
way to escape from it. The desire for sensual enjoyment and clinging to
earthly life is the cause of sorrow. If we can eradicate desire, all sorrows
and pains will come to an end. We will enjoy Nirvana or eternal peace. Those
who follow the Noble Eightfold Path strictly, viz., right opinion, right
resolve, right speech, right conduct, right employment, right exertion, right
thought and right self-concentration will be free from sorrow. This indeed, O
mendicants, is that middle course which the Tathagata has thoroughly
comprehended, which produces insight, which produces knowledge, which leads
to calmness or serenity, to supernatural knowledge, to perfect Buddhahood, to
Nirvana.



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[bob young]

rbwinn wrote:

> On Feb 19, 8:18�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Feb 18, 10:37�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > On Feb 14, 4:44�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > > > > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:
> >
> > > > > > ...
> >
> > > > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell.

 

[bob young]

rbwinn wrote:

> On Feb 15, 9:08�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Feb 15, 6:46�am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> > > > On 15 Feb., 13:22, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 15, 2:17?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > On 15 Feb., 00:29, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > On Feb 13, 8:34?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > snip
> >
> > > > > > > Well, Bob, does the Bible exist or not? ?You say whether it exists.
> > > > > > > Don't try to call me a liar just because I called your bluff.
> >
> > > > > > You are a liar. ?You said that I and others claimed the Bible did not
> > > > > > exist. ?Not only was that a lie, it was incredibly silly. ?You called
> > > > > > nobody's bluff; you just told a silly lie.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > > You are still claiming that the Bible does not exist.

 

[bob young]

Free Lunch wrote:

> On 22 Feb 2007 04:37:23 -0800, in alt.atheism
> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in
> <1172147843.183966.191440@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>:
> >On Feb 16, 6:53?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >> On 16 Feb 2007 16:54:10 -0800, in alt.atheism
> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> >> <1171673650.738689.54...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
> >>
> >> >On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >> >> On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism
> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> >> >> <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:
> >>
> >> ...
> >>
> >> >> >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. /u have consistently
> >> >> >maintained that the Bible does not exist.
> >>
> >> >> How many more times will you repeat that lie.- Hide quoted text -
> >>
> >> >You atheists all play the same game. f you want to claim the Bible
> >> >does not exist go ahead and say it does not exist.
> >> >Robert B. Winn
> >>
> >> Once again you lie.
> >>
> >> You know that none of us have ever claimed that the Bible does not
> >> exist. You insist on this false witness because you cannot be honest and
> >> admit that the Bible is not in itself evidence of anything. It is just
> >> one of many religious texts that is held in high regard by one religion
> >> or another. There is no evidence that the Bible is any more true than
> >> the Q'ran or any other religious text.
> >>
> >> We all know the Bible exists. What we won't buy is your false claim that
> >> there is something special about it.
> >>
> >
> >There is something special about it.
>
> Please, be clear and accurate about what is special and then provide
> evidence to support your contention.
>
> >You cannot prove it does not exist.
>
> I know the Bible exists, you fool. The question is what value it has.

Well it has the power to turn normal rational people
into raving idiots, for starters !

Bob

>
>
> >Robert B. Winn
> >

 

[bob young]

rbwinn wrote:

> On Feb 17, 10:56�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Feb 17, 7:17�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > > On 17 Feb 2007 04:32:59 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > > > <1171715579.252212.188...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>:
> >
> > > > >On Feb 16, 10:09?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > > >> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > >> > On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > > ...
> > > > >> > > How many more times will you repeat that lie.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > >> > You atheists all play the same game.

 

[bob young]

rbwinn wrote:

> On Feb 17, 10:52�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Feb 16, 10:09?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > > > > On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > > > > > <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:
> >
> > > > > > >On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> > > > > > >> On 13 Feb., 05:09, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > >> > On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > >> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ?Not even just one?
> >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > would make itself known.
> >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?
> > > > > > >> > > > > > Robert B. Winn
> >
> > > > > > >> > > > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths.
> >
> > > > > > >> > > > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers
> > > > > > >> > > > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are?
> >
> > > > > > >> > > > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books:
> >
> > > > > > >> > > > We were discussing the Bible. ?Why did you want to change the
> > > > > > >> > > > subject? ?Now the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent
> > > > > > >> > > > his only Begotten Son.
> > > > > > >> > > > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God.
> > > > > > >> > > > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known?
> > > > > > >> > > > Robert B. Winn
> >
> > > > > > >> > > Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were
> > > > > > >> > > bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were
> > > > > > >> > > yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers.
> >
> > > > > > >> > > The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt,
> > > > > > >> > > an extra drop of wine as well.
> >
> > > > > > >> > > Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' ?have personal jets and fly
> > > > > > >> > > around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of
> > > > > > >> > > thousands.....
> >
> > > > > > >> > > Bob
> > > > > > >> > > Humanist Brit.
> >
> > > > > > >> > > If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified
> > > > > > >> > > to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use,
> > > > > > >> > > and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked."
> > > > > > >> > > [Robert G. Ingersoll]
> >
> > > > > > >> > > As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the
> > > > > > >> > > priest lays his curse on the fairest joys.
> > > > > > >> > > [William Blake]- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > >> > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > >> > Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. ?Why don't you
> > > > > > >> > explain your ideas to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth?
> > > > > > >> > Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf?rselstegn -
> >
> > > > > > >> Well, of course, you are welcome to present evidence that your
> > > > > > >> religious beliefs are true. ?Until then, there is no reason to believe
> > > > > > >> you.
> >
> > > > > > >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ?You have consistently
> > > > > > >maintained that the Bible does not exist.
> >
> > > > > > How many more times will you repeat that lie.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > > You atheists all play the same game. ?If you want to claim the Bible
> > > > > does not exist go ahead and say it does not exist.
> > > > > Robert B. Winn
> >
> > > > Well Christian 'Nut cases' sure do- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > Well, here is a verse from Isaiah to cheer you up, Bob.
> > > Isaiah 1:25

 

[bob young]

"thomas p." wrote:

> On 15 Feb., 00:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 13, 11:48?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> snip
>
> > > > I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ?You have consistently
> > > > maintained that the Bible does not exist.
> >
> > > Poor little Bobby thinks that repeating inane lies accomplishes
> > > something besides making him look like a fool.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > Well, let's get right to it. In what way do you acknowedge that the
> > Bible exists? Bob has a list that he keeps posting. Does the Bible
> > exist the same way something on Bob's list exists?
>
> And the twit continues to make a fool of himself.

The fact that he exists confirms it

 

[bob young]

rbwinn wrote:

> On Feb 17, 10:59�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Feb 16, 10:23?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > On Feb 16, 4:25?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> > > > > > On 16 Feb., 02:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > On Feb 15, 6:59?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > On 15 Feb., 13:44, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Feb 15, 2:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > On 15 Feb., 00:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 11:48?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > snip
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ?You have consistently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > maintained that the Bible does not exist.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Poor little Bobby thinks that repeating inane lies accomplishes
> > > > > > > > > > > > something besides making him look like a fool.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Well, let's get right to it. ?In what way do you acknowedge that the
> > > > > > > > > > > Bible exists? ?Bob has a list that he keeps posting. ?Does the Bible
> > > > > > > > > > > exist the same way something on Bob's list exists?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > And the twit continues to make a fool of himself.
> >
> > > > > > > > > So what is the cause of your reluctance to answer the question? ?
> >
> > > > > > > > Bob
> >
> > > > > > > > > has a list of evil spirits that he claims exist in the world. ?Does
> > > > > > > > > the Bible have an existence like something on Bob's list or is the
> > > > > > > > > Bible tangible?
> > > > > > > > > Maybe the question is too difficult for you.
> > > > > > > > > More likely, you have received enough atheistic education to see the
> > > > > > > > > difficulty that the Bible presents for atheism, so you continue to say
> > > > > > > > > that the Bible does not exist.
> > > > > > > > > You say you have six Bibles. ?What is that supposed to mean? ?Do you
> > > > > > > > > have six books that can be read, or do you have six imaginary books?
> >
> > > > > > > > That's better boobie, more like your babbling self. ?I knew you could
> > > > > > > > do it.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > > Well, let's study Isaiah some more, then.
> > > > > > > Isaiah 1:3 ?The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master's crib;
> > > > > > > but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.
> > > > > > > The last atheist I did this with was james e. keegan. ?He only lasted
> > > > > > > a couple of chapters.
> >
> > > > > > Got bored did he? ?I find it hilarious.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > > Here is one you will really find funny.
> > > > > Isaiah 1:17 ?Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your
> > > > > doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil.
> > > > > Robert B. Winn
> >
> > > > They had good cause to say such things back then
> >
> > > > Imagine waking up tommorow with - - - ?no legal deeds on your home, no law enforcement - no LAWS.
> >
> > > > No protection angainst 'anyone' with bad intentions; especially if they were in a group larger than yours.
> >
> > > > Oh yes; the fear of imaginary gods was - well - ?'all they had back then'.
> >
> > > > It really became 'instinctive' as a result. ?Nature [evolution] has a habit of doing that - just look around you......
> >
> > > > [No.......... on second thoughts..........that would be too much to ask]- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > Well, that would not be as bad as having people like you claiming they
> > > were enforcing laws.
> > > Robert B. Winn
> >
> > I am not an enforcer - we humans leave that to the proper authorities.
> >
> > you missed my point of course, or you dodged it.
> >
> > I would hate to be a religionist trying to prop up my myth.

 

[bob young]

Pastor Frank wrote:

> "Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
> news:e2dkt2tov0701orpfmvmtnl208e7ocdi9u@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:53:25 +0800, in alt.atheism
> > "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
> > <45d9c68a$0$16269$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
> >>"Paul Ransom Erickson" <prerickson@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
> >>news:u4qft2ppbprus69bal5qdcjtjptkp7inf6@4ax.com...
> >>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:51:58 GMT, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:35:48 +0800, in alt.atheism
> >>>>"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
> >>>><45d6f3c4$0$16389$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
> >>>>>"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:021at2dduc81elh421vfel0tr3he94oqc0@4ax.com...
> >>>>>> On 15 Feb 2007 04:31:43 -0800, in alt.atheism
> >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in
> >>>>>> <1171542703.680913.131700@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Well, Thomas, here we see the last refuge of the atheist, the
> >>>>>>>personal
> >>>>>>>attack. We were discussing the Bible here in alt.bible. Now
> >>>>>>>everyone
> >>>>>>>can see your purpose in intruding in our conversation. If you do not
> >>>>>>>want to talk about the Bible, why don't you go live the happy life of
> >>>>>>>an atheist?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm in alt.atheism watching you tell your lies. Why are you posting
> >>>>>> your
> >>>>>> lies in alt.atheism.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Because a.a. is ABOUT atheism, not a refuge FOR atheists. Also,
> >>>>> atheist
> >>>>>doctrine demands, that what we consider the truth, atheists MUST call
> >>>>>lies
> >>>>>or face excommunication and confiscation of their number.
> >>>>
> >>>>As people have pointed out again and again, yet you, in your hubris
> >>>>refuse to acknowledge, there is no such thing as atheist doctrine.
> >>>>
> >>>>It appears that you hate people.
> >>>
> >>> Indeed. He spends a lot of time on alt.atheism telling us how awful
> >>> he thinks we are.
> >>>
> >> Non sequitur to what I wrote. My comments concerned atheism as a
> >>philosophy of life, not atheists as persons. But then atheism requires
> >>atheists to ALWAYS emphasis faults, errors, shortcomings, insufficiencies
> >>etc. to the exclusion of affirming what is good, right, desirable, and
> >>salutary.
> >> That is what hell is all about, all negative and despairing and
> >> nothing
> >>positive and hopeful. And that is also why Christ came to bring us the
> >>Good
> >>News.
> >
> > As you know, atheism is not a philosophy of life.
> > You choose to lie about it. Why is that?
> > Is your god so pitifully weak that he needs your help? Does he fail if
> > no one lies for him?
> >
> Our Christian "God is love" and there is nothing "pitiful" about love.
> Nor does love "lie". If atheism is not a philosophy of life, then why are
> you wasting your life arguing against our philosophy of life, unless you
> think your philosophy of life is better?
> You just got yourself all muddled again.

You are the muddled one,
'He' was supposed to have sent his only begotten son down to earth and then had
him ascend up to a heaven somewhere [just above the clouds back then]

'Love' alone can do that?

GROAN

[stand by for more deviation]

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[bob young]

rbwinn wrote:

> On Feb 15, 8:43�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Feb 15, 7:06�am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> > > > On 15 Feb., 13:52, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Feb 15, 4:35?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > > > On Feb 13, 8:37?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Free Lunch wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 13 Feb 2007 16:39:50 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > > > > > > > > <1171413590.219240.10...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>:
> > > > > > > > > >On Feb 12, 9:25 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > ?Not even just one?
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god
> > > > > > > > > >> > > would make itself known.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?
> > > > > > > > > >> > Robert B. Winn
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> Why, don't you have any evidence to offer?
> >
> > > > > > > > > >All things that exist show that there is a God.
> >
> > > > > > > > [I must remember to add that 'little gem' to my list of
> > > > > > > > 'Religious propagator's backs to the wall cop-out's]
> >
> > > > > > > Well, Bob, you were willing to provide us with a list of evil
> > > > > > > spirits. ?Why don't you make a list for us of the things that do not
> > > > > > > show that there is a God?
> > > > > > > Robert B. Winn
> >
> > > > > > with pleasure
> >
> > > > > > [Preface]
> >
> > > > > > "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one
> > > > > > fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible
> > > > > > gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
> > > > > > [Stephen Roberts]
> >
> > > > > Well, there is really no such thing as an atheist.

 

[bob young]

Pastor Frank wrote:

> "Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
> news:bedkt25jc2k340fjstt9r0ftctvkun83ns@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:36:48 +0800, in alt.atheism
> > "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
> > <45d8c8cc$0$16329$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
> >>
> >> Thanks for proving my point. So you disbelieve what I just said, as
> >>usual, and are now claiming that atheism is a belief system, instead of a
> >>disbelief system. Let's see you prove that. Either prove it, or admit
> >>your
> >>just lying for atheism again.
> >
> > You are the one who calls atheism a belief system. I call you on your
> > lie. Atheism is not a form of belief. Lack of belief is not a system.
> > You know that. You appear to like lying. Why is that?
> >
> Why is what? You proved no "lie". I agreed with you above, that atheism
> is not a belief system. It's however a DISbelief system, for you are forever
> listing all the things you don't believe and never get around to telling us
> anything about what you DO believe.

I believe that a fair proportion of religionists demonstrate constantly that
they are liars and
charlatans. That's what I believe

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[bob young]

Pastor Frank wrote:

> "Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
> news:vgdkt2pkuomjvr3nc963ffha8lqcnafo9c@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:07:20 +0800, in alt.atheism
> > "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
> > <45d9c67d$0$16269$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
> >>"Paul Ransom Erickson" <prerickson@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
> >>news:n83ft2l51m41jk686v172i57t3i2invsbp@4ax.com...
> >>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:14:54 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
> >>> <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:
> >>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:1171374673.776239.100670@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What is it that you think you are going to accomplish by making all of
> >>>>> these lists of things you do not believe?
> >>>>> Do you have any lists of things you believe?
> >>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>
> >>>> Atheists believe that by listing all they don't believe, what's left
> >>>>over MUST be the truth. Unfortunately for them, there are an infinite
> >>>>number
> >>>>of things which are not true, and very few thing which are true. So they
> >>>>will never reach that desired end. Not only that, but because atheists
> >>>>look
> >>>>only for what is untrue and lies, were they to come across the truth
> >>>>they
> >>>>would miss it altogether.
> >>>
> >>> As usual, you think you know all about "athsists" based on your own
> >>> past. I bet you haven't really changed much.
> >>>
> >> I changed from a self-justified sinner, to a repentant one.
> >
> > Your actions show the behavior of self-righteous man with no humility.
> >
> You again forgot to quote the statement of mine which evidences your
> accusation. But even if you are right, tell us how do YOUR actions compare?
> But then perhaps you are running short of self-esteem again, and try to
> garner as many inferiors to yourself as possible, so as to contrast yourself
> favourably and give you that boost you crave?

Nothing compares with common sense, logic, openness and transparency.

Try it sometime Frank



>
>
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[bob young]

rbwinn wrote:

> On Feb 16, 7:10�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On 16 Feb 2007 17:53:22 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > <1171677202.265303.67...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >On Feb 16, 5:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> > >> On 16 Feb., 13:17, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 6:31?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> >
> > >> > > On 13 Feb., 14:03, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> > > > On Feb 12, 9:21?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> snip
> >
> > >> > > What we do not have is any evidence of any miracle.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > >> > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > >> > Well, if you had been one of the people in Jerusalem at thattime, you
> > >> > might have seen it a little differently.

 

[bob young]

rbwinn wrote:

> On Feb 18, 4:26�am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Feb 16, 5:52�am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> > > > On 16 Feb., 13:17, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 6:31?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > On 13 Feb., 14:03, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > On Feb 12, 9:21?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > snip
> >
> > > > > > What we do not have is any evidence of any miracle.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
> >
> > > > > Well, if you had been one of the people in Jerusalem at thattime, you
> > > > > might have seen it a little differently.

 

[Michael Gray]

On 22 Feb 2007 23:18:01 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <45DE7890.EB33D1FB@netvigator.com>
>
>
>Pastor Frank wrote:
>
>> "Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>> news:bedkt25jc2k340fjstt9r0ftctvkun83ns@4ax.com...
>> > On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:36:48 +0800, in alt.atheism
>> > "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
>> > <45d8c8cc$0$16329$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for proving my point. So you disbelieve what I just said, as
>> >>usual, and are now claiming that atheism is a belief system, instead of a
>> >>disbelief system. Let's see you prove that. Either prove it, or admit
>> >>your
>> >>just lying for atheism again.
>> >
>> > You are the one who calls atheism a belief system. I call you on your
>> > lie. Atheism is not a form of belief. Lack of belief is not a system.
>> > You know that. You appear to like lying. Why is that?
>> >
>> Why is what? You proved no "lie". I agreed with you above, that atheism
>> is not a belief system. It's however a DISbelief system, for you are forever
>> listing all the things you don't believe and never get around to telling us
>> anything about what you DO believe.
>
>I believe that a fair proportion of religionists demonstrate constantly that
>they are liars and
>charlatans. That's what I believe

I do NOT believe that.
Unless by "fair proprtion", you mean exactly 100%

--

 

[bob young]

Michael Gray wrote:

> On 22 Feb 2007 23:18:01 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
> wrote:
> - Refer: <45DE7890.EB33D1FB@netvigator.com>
> >
> >
> >Pastor Frank wrote:
> >
> >> "Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
> >> news:bedkt25jc2k340fjstt9r0ftctvkun83ns@4ax.com...
> >> > On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:36:48 +0800, in alt.atheism
> >> > "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
> >> > <45d8c8cc$0$16329$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>:
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for proving my point. So you disbelieve what I just said, as
> >> >>usual, and are now claiming that atheism is a belief system, instead of a
> >> >>disbelief system. Let's see you prove that. Either prove it, or admit
> >> >>your
> >> >>just lying for atheism again.
> >> >
> >> > You are the one who calls atheism a belief system. I call you on your
> >> > lie. Atheism is not a form of belief. Lack of belief is not a system.
> >> > You know that. You appear to like lying. Why is that?
> >> >
> >> Why is what? You proved no "lie". I agreed with you above, that atheism
> >> is not a belief system. It's however a DISbelief system, for you are forever
> >> listing all the things you don't believe and never get around to telling us
> >> anything about what you DO believe.
> >
> >I believe that a fair proportion of religionists demonstrate constantly that
> >they are liars and
> >charlatans. That's what I believe
>
> I do NOT believe that.
> Unless by "fair proprtion", you mean exactly 100%

One must allow for the ordinary person longing for security thinking they can find
it with an imaginary god, reinforced by following what their parents and
grandparents believed. These are not charlatans, the charlatans are the
propagators that lie and deceive.

>
>
> --

 

[bob young]

rbwinn wrote:

> On Feb 16, 6:53�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On 16 Feb 2007 16:54:10 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > <1171673650.738689.54...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
> >
> > >On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > >> On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > >> <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > >> >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible.

 

[rbwinn]

On Feb 22, 9:19�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Feb 18, 8:57�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > On 18 Feb 2007 07:53:50 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > > <1171814030.140365.45...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:
>
> > > >On Feb 17, 10:32?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > >> Bill M wrote:
> > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> > > >> >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > >> > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > >> > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > > >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > > >> > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:
>
> > > >> > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > >> > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > > >> > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > > >> > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:
>
> > > >> > > >> > ...
>
> > > >> > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on
> > > >> > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible.
>
> > > >> > > >> > Source with complete context please.
>
> > > >> > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine.
>
> > > >> > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in
> > > >> > > >> his book.
>
> > > >> > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very
> > > >> > > moment.

 

[rbwinn]

On Feb 22, 9:21�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Feb 18, 10:09�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Feb 17, 10:32�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > > > Bill M wrote:
> > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > > > > > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:
>
> > > > > > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > > > > > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > > > > > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:
>
> > > > > > > >> > ...
>
> > > > > > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on
> > > > > > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible.
>
> > > > > > > >> > Source with complete context please.
>
> > > > > > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine.
>
> > > > > > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in
> > > > > > > >> his book.
>
> > > > > > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very
> > > > > > > moment.

 

[rbwinn]

On Feb 22, 9:28�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> On 22 Feb 2007 19:19:49 -0800, in alt.atheism
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> <1172200789.128447.246...@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Feb 18, 8:57?am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >> On 18 Feb 2007 07:53:50 -0800, in alt.atheism
> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> >> <1171814030.140365.45...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:
>
> >> >On Feb 17, 10:32?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> >> >> Bill M wrote:
> >> >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> > On Feb 14, 9:21?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >> >> > > On 14 Feb 2007 18:59:33 -0800, in alt.atheism
> >> >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> >> >> > > <1171508373.435033.309...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:
>
> >> >> > > >On Feb 14, 5:24?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> >> > > >> On Feb 14, 6:44 pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>
> >> >> > > >> > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism
> >> >> > > >> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> >> >> > > >> > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:
>
> >> >> > > >> > ...
>
> >> >> > > >> > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on
> >> >> > > >> > >several occasions that he believed the Bible.
>
> >> >> > > >> > Source with complete context please.
>
> >> >> > > >> You'll never get it, not anything genuine.
>
> >> >> > > >> Our religious kook might give you a forgery, as David Barton did in
> >> >> > > >> his book.
>
> >> >> > > forged quote of Lincoln is making its rounds in usenet at>> this very
> >> >> > > moment. 4 recommends hunting down and hanging anyone
> >> >> > > >> critical of the war effort.
>
> >> >> > > pundit has already confessed that he is
>
> >> >> > > >> the author of the quote.
>
> >> >> > > >> The fraud was perpetrated by one of the Moonie rags, either the Moonie
> >> >> > > >> Times or that bag of internet lies called _Insight Magazine._
>
> >> >> > > >Well, why don't you atheists just wait until after the resurrection
> >> >> > > >and ask Abraham Lincoln in person if he believed the Bible?
> >> >> > > >I see no reason to worry about it myself.
>
> >> >> > > Because you know that you have absolutely no evidence at all that there
> >> >> > > is going to be a resurrection, yet you keep trying to duck questions
> >> >> > > with your silly incantation.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> > Jesus Christ was resurrected. (at is all the evidence we need.
> >> >> > Robert B. Winn
>
> >> >> > You do not seem to understand the difference between a claim, a fable and
> >> >> > objective verifiable evidence!
>
> >> >> He only accepts what his mummy told him, forgetting that her mummy told her
> >> >> and then her mummy told her and 'ad infinitum' - well not exactly, as sooner
> >> >> or later we reach back to a small group of primitives that made the myth up in
> >> >> the first place.
>
> >> >> It's s hard to accept the fact that one's parents and grandparents were
> >> >> telling unsubstantiated yarns - maybe for the best possible reasons, but
> >> >> 'yarns' nevertheless- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >So when Jesus Christ said that he was not the offspring of monkeys,
> >> >you claim that he was telling a "yarn"?
>
> >> Since Jesus never said that, you are the one telling a tall tale. Still,
> >> when it comes to science, it doesn't really matter what someone claims
> >> Jesus said. The people who were writing these stories about Jesus had no
> >> idea about common descent or evolution. I would be impressed with the
> >> Bible if it had actually talked about it, but it doesn't.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >Well, actually, it does.