NO EVIDENCE OF GODS

[rbwinn]

On Feb 22, 9:29�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> On 22 Feb 2007 19:53:52 -0800, in alt.atheism
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> <1172202832.147991.191...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>:
>
>
>
> >On Feb 19, 8:18?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >> > On Feb 18, 10:37?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> >> > > rbwinn wrote:
> >> > > > On Feb 14, 4:44?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >> > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism
> >> > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> >> > > > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:
>
> >> > > > > ...
>
> >> > > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell.

 

[rbwinn]

On Feb 22, 9:44�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Feb 15, 9:08�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Feb 15, 6:46�am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> > > > > On 15 Feb., 13:22, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 15, 2:17?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On 15 Feb., 00:29, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 8:34?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > snip
>
> > > > > > > > Well, Bob, does the Bible exist or not? ?You say whether it exists.
> > > > > > > > Don't try to call me a liar just because I called your bluff.
>
> > > > > > > You are a liar. ?You said that I and others claimed the Bible did not
> > > > > > > exist. ?Not only was that a lie, it was incredibly silly. ?You called
> > > > > > > nobody's bluff; you just told a silly lie.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
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> > > > > > You are still claiming that the Bible does not exist.

 

[rbwinn]

On Feb 22, 9:44�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Feb 19, 8:18�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Feb 18, 10:37�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > > On Feb 14, 4:44�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > > > > > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:
>
> > > > > > > ...
>
> > > > > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell.

 

[rbwinn]

On Feb 22, 9:48�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> Free Lunch wrote:
> > On 22 Feb 2007 04:37:23 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > <1172147843.183966.191...@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>:
> > >On Feb 16, 6:53?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > >> On 16 Feb 2007 16:54:10 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > >> <1171673650.738689.54...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
>
> > >> >On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > >> >> On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > >> >> <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:
>
> > >> ...
>
> > >> >> >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. /u have consistently
> > >> >> >maintained that the Bible does not exist.
>
> > >> >> How many more times will you repeat that lie.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> >You atheists all play the same game.

 

[rbwinn]

On Feb 22, 9:49�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Feb 17, 10:56�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Feb 17, 7:17�am, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > > > On 17 Feb 2007 04:32:59 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > > > > <1171715579.252212.188...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>:
>
> > > > > >On Feb 16, 10:09?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > >> > On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > > > ...
> > > > > >> > > How many more times will you repeat that lie.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > >> > You atheists all play the same game.

 

[rbwinn]

On Feb 22, 9:51�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Feb 17, 10:52?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Feb 16, 10:09?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > > On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > > > > > On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > > > > > > <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:
>
> > > > > > > >On Feb 13, 2:10 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> On 13 Feb., 05:09, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> > On Feb 12, 8:51?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > > On Feb 11, 9:50?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ?Not even just one?
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > would make itself known.
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Robert B. Winn
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Where WOULD yuo people be without your old book of fables and myths.
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Does it never filter through to your brains and past your eye blinkers
> > > > > > > >> > > > > [blinders] that is exactly what they are?
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > Here's a few other man inspired and produced books:
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > We were discussing the Bible. ?Why did you want to change the
> > > > > > > >> > > > subject? ?Now the Bible says, For God so loved the world that he sent
> > > > > > > >> > > > his only Begotten Son.
> > > > > > > >> > > > Jesus Christ said that he was the Son of God.
> > > > > > > >> > > > Why are you saying that God did not make himself known?
> > > > > > > >> > > > Robert B. Winn
>
> > > > > > > >> > > Because these were simply mythical stories written by near primitives who were
> > > > > > > >> > > bored to tears every night with no radio or TV - all they listened to were
> > > > > > > >> > > yarns around the evening camp fire told by wandering preachers.
>
> > > > > > > >> > > The more 'miraculous' his stories were the more free food he got and no doubt,
> > > > > > > >> > > an extra drop of wine as well.
>
> > > > > > > >> > > Nothing changes does it - now the 'story tellers' ?have personal jets and fly
> > > > > > > >> > > around the world presenting 'rigged' miracles to packed audiences of
> > > > > > > >> > > thousands.....
>
> > > > > > > >> > > Bob
> > > > > > > >> > > Humanist Brit.
>
> > > > > > > >> > > If priests had not been fond of mutton, lambs never would have been sacrified
> > > > > > > >> > > to god. Nothing was ever carried to the temple that the priest could not use,
> > > > > > > >> > > and it always happened that god wanted what his agents liked."
> > > > > > > >> > > [Robert G. Ingersoll]
>
> > > > > > > >> > > As the caterpiller chooses the fairest leaves to lay her eggs on, so the
> > > > > > > >> > > priest lays his curse on the fairest joys.
> > > > > > > >> > > [William Blake]- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > > > >> > > - Show quoted text -
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> > > > > > > >> > Well, of course, you are welcome to your own opinion. ?Why don't you
> > > > > > > >> > explain your ideas to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the earth?
> > > > > > > >> > Robert B. Winn- Skjul tekst i anf?rselstegn -
>
> > > > > > > >> Well, of course, you are welcome to present evidence that your
> > > > > > > >> religious beliefs are true. ?Until then, there is no reason to believe
> > > > > > > >> you.
>
> > > > > > > >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ?You have consistently
> > > > > > > >maintained that the Bible does not exist.
>
> > > > > > > How many more times will you repeat that lie.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > You atheists all play the same game. ?If you want to claim the Bible
> > > > > > does not exist go ahead and say it does not exist.
> > > > > > Robert B. Winn
>
> > > > > Well Christian 'Nut cases' sure do- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > Well, here is a verse from Isaiah to cheer you up, Bob.
> > > > Isaiah 1:25 ?And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge
> > > > thy dross, and take away all thy tin.
> > > > Robert B. Winn
>
> > > The scribblings of a doubtful primitive propping up his old myth is supposed to scare me ?
>
> > > ROFL
>
> > > What scares me are the lengths that religionists will go [killing others] to propagate their
> > > silly beliefs.
>
> > > I hope you are not numbered among them, but bleieve me there are plenty of them out there,
> > > flying planes into buildings and doing stuff like that.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > - Show quoted text -
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> > One of your fellow atheists was telling me of a terrible religionist
> > named Josef Stalin who attended seminary classes when he was a youth
> > and learned to kill people.

 

[rbwinn]

On Feb 22, 9:52�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> "thomas p." wrote:
> > On 15 Feb., 00:54, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > On Feb 13, 11:48?pm, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> > snip
>
> > > > > I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ?You have consistently
> > > > > maintained that the Bible does not exist.
>
> > > > Poor little Bobby thinks that repeating inane lies accomplishes
> > > > something besides making him look like a fool.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > - Show quoted text -
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> > > Well, let's get right to it.

 

[rbwinn]

On Feb 22, 10:07�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Feb 15, 8:43�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Feb 15, 7:06�am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> > > > > On 15 Feb., 13:52, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Feb 15, 4:35?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 8:37?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Free Lunch wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On 13 Feb 2007 16:39:50 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > > > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > > > > > > > > > <1171413590.219240.10...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>:
> > > > > > > > > > >On Feb 12, 9:25 am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> On 12 Feb., 03:23, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> > On Feb 11, 4:10?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > ?Not even just one?
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Damn, you'd think with all that omnipotence and ego, at least one god
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > would make itself known.
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Robert B. Winn
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Why, don't you have any evidence to offer?
>
> > > > > > > > > > >All things that exist show that there is a God.
>
> > > > > > > > > [I must remember to add that 'little gem' to my list of
> > > > > > > > > 'Religious propagator's backs to the wall cop-out's]
>
> > > > > > > > Well, Bob, you were willing to provide us with a list of evil
> > > > > > > > spirits. ?Why don't you make a list for us of the things that do not
> > > > > > > > show that there is a God?
> > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn
>
> > > > > > > with pleasure
>
> > > > > > > [Preface]
>
> > > > > > > "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one
> > > > > > > fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible
> > > > > > > gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
> > > > > > > [Stephen Roberts]
>
> > > > > > Well, there is really no such thing as an atheist.

 

[rbwinn]

On Feb 22, 10:22�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Feb 16, 7:10�pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > > On 16 Feb 2007 17:53:22 -0800, in alt.atheism
> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> > > <1171677202.265303.67...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:
>
> > > >On Feb 16, 5:52?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> > > >> On 16 Feb., 13:17, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 6:31?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > On 13 Feb., 14:03, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> > > > On Feb 12, 9:21?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> snip
>
> > > >> > > What we do not have is any evidence of any miracle.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > >> > > - Show quoted text -
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> > > >> > Well, if you had been one of the people in Jerusalem at thattime, you
> > > >> > might have seen it a little differently.

 

[rbwinn]

On Feb 22, 10:24�pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Feb 18, 4:26�am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Feb 16, 5:52�am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> > > > > On 16 Feb., 13:17, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:> On Feb 13, 6:31?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On 13 Feb., 14:03, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Feb 12, 9:21?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > snip
>
> > > > > > > What we do not have is any evidence of any miracle.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > Well, if you had been one of the people in Jerusalem at thattime, you
> > > > > > might have seen it a little differently.

 

[jl]

On Feb 21, 2:42 pm, "D...@V.A." <d...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
[...]
> > > Where is your evidence that they are Christian? >> > Do you imply that
> > > > >other Christians condone the practice of polygamy?
>
> > > > That wasn't your claim.
>
> > > They worship three different gods
>
> > So do all the other Christians. They worship Jesus, God, and the
> > Holy Spirit, all three separate entities.
>
> You don't know what you are talking about. An analogy is water.
> It can be liquid, gas or solid. But it still one. Same with the Christian
> concept of their God.

I know my bible enough, having read it through several times, and
having been raised the son of a baptist minister and grandson of
missionaries, that there are three separate and distinct entity
deities in the kjv and the nuts who believe all that malarkey are
foolish enough to say it's ONE god, when there are THREE. You fundies
don't even know simple arithmetic.

So much for your hokey analogy. You get to God thru Jeezus, Danny.
So saith the bible, a little like you get to Allah thru Mohammed.
Jeezus is not God; Jeezus is God's son, and the Holy Spirit is the
stud who came down and jumped in the sack with Mary. God didn't even
perform the stud service; he had his brother the Holy Spirit do it.

At least the Greeks and Romans with their demi-god messiahs, the
Caesars, for example, claimed that a god and a mortal copulated to
make a demi-god, a messiah. The Christians, I believe, toned it down
a little, since in the case of the pagans there was a rape. So the
Christians used a ghost to make the act a little less unsavory,
although to be fair we should admit that Joseph was cuckolded and it
was a sort of immaculate adultery. But then they had to fix that by
having Mary and Joseph, who were apparently together at the time,
betrothed but not yet married.

Three Gods are not one, Danny. And as a matter of fact the moozle-ums
have credible arithmetic on the question of monotheism.

 

[jl]

On Feb 21, 7:10 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
[regarding the 6th Amendment right to jury trial]
> This all dates back to a minority opinion written by Thurgood Marshall
> that the sixth amendment did not really guarantee right to trial by
> jury.
> After that, state courts began denying right to trial by jury until we
> have reached the present condition where very few people are actually
> given an opportunity to have a trial by jury.

I don't believe you. What's the citation for that Thurgood Marshall
opinion?

And what state or states do you refer to which deny the right to jury
trial in a criminal prosecution?

 

[jl]

On Feb 21, 10:46 pm, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Feb 21, 5:40?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
[...]
> Do whatever you want to do. A United States citizen cannot go into
> court and ask for a trial by jury and get it the way the Constitution
> guarantees. The reason for that is that lawyers have set themselves
> up as an elite class who decide what rights the rest of us have.
> There are some of us non-lawyers who say that lawyers cannot take away
> our rights even if they deny them.
> Robert B. Winn

Cite, cite, cite!

 

[Don Kresch]

In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 19:19:49 -0800, "rbwinn"
<rbwinn3@juno.com> let us all know that:


>Well, actually, it does. Paul stated that in the last days men would
>be turned to fables, being unable to abide sound doctrine.

jesus = fable.


Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.

"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"

 

[Don Kresch]

In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 19:53:52 -0800, "rbwinn"
<rbwinn3@juno.com> let us all know that:

>On Feb 19, 8:18?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>> > On Feb 18, 10:37?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>> > > rbwinn wrote:
>> > > > On Feb 14, 4:44?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> > > > > On 14 Feb 2007 15:16:18 -0800, in alt.atheism
>> > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
>> > > > > <1171494978.705022.208...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:
>>
>> > > > > ...
>>
>> > > > > >Well, that is a myth that atheists like to tell. incoln said on
>> > > > > >several occasions that he believed the Bible.
>>
>> > > > > Source with complete context please.
>>
>> > > > I can give you the original source. alk to Abraham Lincoln after the
>> > > > resurrection. e can tell you in person.
>> > > > Robert B. Winn
>>
>> > > I am seriously thinking of <plonking> you for the third time - what a
>> > > wally- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > Well, here is a verse from Isaiah. o need to get irrational.
>> > Isaiah 2:17
nd the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the
>> > haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the Lord alone shall be
>> > exalted in that day.
>> > Robert B. Winn
>>
>> Nothing could be MORE irrational than quoting ad infinitum,
>> verses from an old book written by one primitive out of a gaggle of
>> primitives
>>
>> Grow up- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
>
>How about this? Here is someone who thinks that his ancestors were
>monkeys telling me to grow up.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Every time a creationist says something like "you believe your
ancestors were monkeys", the creationist is exposed as the dumbest
****ing person on the planet.


Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.

"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"

 

[Don Kresch]

In alt.atheism On 22 Feb 2007 19:31:53 -0800, "rbwinn"
<rbwinn3@juno.com> let us all know that:

>On Feb 18, 10:09?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>> > On Feb 17, 10:32?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>> > > Bill M wrote:
>> > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>> > > >news:1171521149.118439.271150@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

>> > So when Jesus Christ said that he was not the offspring of monkeys,
>> > you claim that he was telling a "yarn"?
>> > Robert B. Winn
>>
>> IDIOT there is nothing to show your Jesus said anything other than what other
>> foolish humans like you have claimed
>>
>> Grow up- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Well, here we have another statement from an atheist denying the
>existence of the Bible.

No, that's not what we have. We only have that if you, Bobby,
do not understand English. Are you admitting that you do not
understand English?


Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.

"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"

 

[jl]

On Feb 22, 12:18 am, "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com>, i. e., Winnie the
Pooh, wrote:
[...]
> I have never appeared in court with a lawyer. I always speak for
> myself. I always request trial by jury and then appeal the case on
> the grounds that I was denied trial by jury.

That must be the reason for your acrimony against the courts. You
bumble and lose and then blame the lawyers and judges for your defeat.

If you're as bad a lawyer as you are at furnishing caselaw for such
zany charges as blaming Thurgood Marshall for taking away your 6th
Amendment rights, I can understand why you're losing.

Marshall voted with the majority in the 7 to 2 Suprme Court decision,
_Duncan v. Louisiana,_ which required jury trials in all 50 states for
criminal defendants accused of misdemeanors. Duncan applied the 6th
Amendment to the states by incorporating it into the purview of the
14th Amendment.

So your accusation against Justice Thurgood Marshall, who was denied
admission to law school in Maryland because he was black, is grossly
in error.

 

[Darrell Stec]

After serious contemplation, on or about Thursday 22 February 2007 11:16
pm rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:

> On Feb 20, 11:29?pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>
> wrote:
>> After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 20 February 2007
>> 10:58 pm rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 20, 9:28?am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 20 February 2007
>> >> 7:40 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:
>>
>> >> > On Feb 20, 4:41?am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> Darrell Stec wrote:
>> >> >> > After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 18 February
>> >> >> > 2007 10:59 am rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > > I feel better already. ??Here is a verse from Isaiah to
>> >> >> > > brighten your day.
>>
>> >> >> > Which Isaiah? ??You realize that there were at least four
>> >> >> > people or schools writing under the name of Isaiah and
>> >> >> > throughout several centuries don't you? ??Isaiah is a
>> >> >> > composition by many not the work of one man.
>>
>> >> >> "... the Bible was a collection of books written at different
>> >> >> times by different men, a strange mixture of diverse human
>> >> >> documents, and a tissue of irreconcilable notions. Inspired?
>> >> >> The Bible is not even intelligent. It is not even good
>> >> >> craftsmanship, but is full of absurdities and contradictions."
>> >> >> [E. Haldeman-Julius, "The Meaning Of Atheism"]
>>
>> >> > Sorry, Darrell, no one can fake writing like Isaiah. ??He was
>> >> > the only one who wrote the way he wrote.
>> >> > Robert B. Winn
>>
>> >> How can you make statements like that? ??You can't read the Hebrew
>> >> it was written in. ??Even several of my bibles explicity state
>> >> that Isaiah was written by a minimum of three different schools or
>> >> persons. ??The grammar and syntax varies in style (and content)
>> >> among those writers. You can't read the originals, nor understand
>> >> the fine nuances of the Hebrew language. ??Can you name any real
>> >> biblical scholar of today who shares your viewpoint?
>>
>> >> Your own LDS scholars do not agree with you. ??Note: "John
>> >> Tvedtnes, senior project manager for FARMS, has written technical
>> >> studies on Hebraisms and Isaiah variants in the Book of Mormon."
>> >> which can be found
>> >> athttp://www.apologeticsindex.org/cpoint10-2.html.
>>
>> >> --
>> >> Later,
>> >> Darrell Stec ?? ?? ??dars...@neo.rr.com
>>
>> > I do not really care what some college boys think. ??The key to
>> > Isaiah is in the pattern of the words. ??Same pattern as Matthew
>> > 6:9-13. Robert B. Winn
>>
>> What arrogance!!!! You who admittedly have little to no education
>> dismisses with the stroke of a keyboard what biblical scholars of his
>> own faith have researched. ??What biblical scholars do you think have
>> no education? ??Do you live in the Deep South Bible Belt. ??You would
>> be at home by all those ignoramuses that oft repeat, "Book larnin'
>> ain't nuthin'"
>>
>> Besides you are utterly daft. ??Why lie like that when anyone with
>> half a brain and fairly decent eyesight can read the passages in
>> question and know for a fact they are not identical. ??That is why
>> Matthew has been said to have concatenated the passages in question.
>>
>> --
>> Later,
>> Darrell Stec ?? ?? ??dars...@neo.rr.com
>>
> What arrogance? So you challenge an apostle and claim I am the one
> who is arrogant.

Robert, slow down and take time to read what we really write. You are
not following the conversation. All you are doing is hastily whipping
out one or two-liners in an effort to prove you are more clever,
learned and intelligent than those to whom you reply. Trust me on
this, you aren't by a long shot.

Your arrogance lies in the fact that with a keystroke you dismiss the
authority and opinions from the biblical scholars (who incidentally CAN
read the original languages) of your very own church. These scholars
are presently members of LDS in good standing. You with the stroke from
your keyboard dismiss the information found in FARMS a magazine that is
the official biblical archaelogical magazine of your own church. You
are dismissing these scholars (not atheist scholars) who are members of
your church in good grace and who have dedicated years to an education
while (and here is where your arrogance blindsided everyone) you
according to your own words have very little education nor can you read
the original languages of the bible yet you would summarily dismiss the
opinion of every biblical scholar of the last 50+ years including those
of your own church. That is known as ARROGANCE.

Now if you could read the original languages, examined original
manuscripts and fragments (or exact facsimiles of them), spend years
studying archaeology, ancient history and customs, and theology and at
that point decided they were wrong, that would not be arrogance but
rather a differing opinion of another learned scholar. But you have
not done that.

And as far as challenging an apostle you are wrong there too. Matthew
the apostle did not write the gospel according to Matthew. That name
was assigned to that book about 300 years after it was written, All
gospels were written anonymously. Besides that gospel was written many
generations after the supposed lifetime of any apostle. How do we know
that? One very good reason is that Matthew in part quotes from the
Greek version of Isaiah and that had not been written at the end of the
first century CE. We know that though many things: the absence of any
Greek except the Torah and a few psalm in the Dead Sea Scrolls,
Josephus plainly gave the reason for writting his books in Greek was
because those parts of scripture had not yet been translated into
Greek, and some of the early church fathers gave testimony to that fact
in writting. The author of that gospel could not have quoted in the
first century something written in the second. And Matthew does not
even quote properly. He took several verses out of context and made
one verse out of them. Whether he did this dishonestly or he (as most
scholars believe) did not have the scriptures in front of him and was
relying of memory. Ergo the writer of the gospel according to Matthew
was wrong. And since the apostle did not write that text, no one here
(nor any biblical scholar is arguing against him.

Give us a demonstration of your biblical knowledge (cut the arrogant
bullshit) and tell us how many apostles there were and name them
without neglecting or contradicting any of the gospels, Acts or
epistles. Can you engage in a civil conversation and do that? Or are
you here to feed your ego?

> Why don't you just take some time to discuss your
> idea with Matthew after the ressurection?

Ah, so you think we both will end up in the same place and he will be
more than happy to take part of eternity to carry on a conversation
with me?

If you are not answering to boost up your own ego, why not cut
alt.atheism from the headers? In that way your discussion will only be
among fellow Christians who will have equal if not a better
understanding than you of scripture.


> Robert B. Winn

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[Darrell Stec]

After serious contemplation, on or about Thursday 22 February 2007 11:14
pm rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:

> On Feb 20, 11:22?pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...@webpagesorcery.com>
> wrote:
>> After serious contemplation, on or about Tuesday 20 February 2007
>> 10:03 pm rbwinn perhaps from rbwi...@juno.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 16, 6:36?am, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
>> >> In alt.atheism On 15 Feb 2007 18:35:15 -0800, "rbwinn"
>> >> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that:
>>
>> >> >On Feb 15, 5:00?pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com>
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 22:24:28 -0800, "rbwinn"
>> >> >> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that:
>>
>> >> >> >On Feb 14, 8:19?pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com>
>> >> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> >> In alt.atheism On 14 Feb 2007 15:25:25 -0800, "rbwinn"
>> >> >> >> <rbwi...@juno.com> let us all know that:
>>
>> >> >> >> >On Feb 13, 7:22?pm, "jls" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Feb 13, 8:05 pm, Don Kresch
>> >> >> >> >> <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:> In alt.atheism On
>> >> >> >> >> 13 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0800, "rbwinn"
>>
>> >> >> >> >> ...]
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Did you notice that nowhere in the Old Testament is the
>> >> >> >> >> messiah predicted to be god? (e messiah is prophesied to
>> >> >> >> >> bring peace, to bring comfort to the wretched, to heal
>> >> >> >> >> the earth; but nowhere in the Old Testament does it say
>> >> >> >> >> he will be worshiped as a god.
>>
>> >> >> >> >Isaiah 9:6
>>
>> >> >> >> ?? See Is 8:3. That is the child spoken of in Is 9:6.
>>
>> >> >> >No, sorry.
>>
>> >> >> ?? ?? Sorry, but it's true. Only if one takes Is 9:6 completely
>> >> >> out of context can it be applied to jesus. Will you admit to
>> >> >> taking Is 9:6 completely out of context?
>>
>> >> >> Don
>>
>> >> >Well, let's work over to it, Don. ??
>>
>> >> ?? ?? ?? ?? No, there's no working over to it. The fact is that
>> >> the child born in Is 8:3 fills the prophecy from Is 7:14 and is
>> >> being lauded from Is 8:5 on, continuing through Is 9.
>>
>> >> ?? ?? ?? ?? Interesting note: if you read Is 9:1-2 and then find
>> >> Matt 4:12-16, you'll see how the former verses were concatenated
>> >> to invent a prophecy that doesn't actually exist.
>>
>> > Well, as an apostle, Matthew certainly had the authority to say
>> > what Isaiah meant by his prophecy.
>> > So what is your authority to say that Matthew was concatenating
>> > something?
>> > Robert B. Winn
>>
>> One does not need an authority to see what can be easily demonstrated
>> by reading the two passages oneself. ??Try it. ??The only way you
>> could come to any other conclusion but that Matthew concatenated two
>> verses is if you are subject to doublespeak. ??See Orwell's 1984 if
>> you are unfamiliar with the term.
>>
>> --
>> Later,
>> Darrell Stec ?? ?? ??dars...@neo.rr.com
>>
> Well, it does not really mean anything in this context. It is just a
> word used by atheists trying to impress other people. Whatever
> Matthew said about the book of Isaiah is authoritative because Matthew
> was an apostle.

Are you sure about that? Please tell us the number of Joshua's apostles
and their names without neglecting or leaving out any of the text on
the subject of any gospel, Acts or epistles. By the way the author of
Matthew quoted from a Greek version that we know did not exist in the
first century CE. How did he do that? How old would he have had to
have been to perform this minor miracle? Do you know when that book
had Matthew's name put on it? It didn't appear on the early
manuscripts you know. None of the gospels had names on them.

So much for your assumed authoritativeness. Now tell us why we should
deny that which we can plainly see for ourselves and that all biblical
scholars in the last 50 years attest to?

> Robert B. Winn

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[Darrell Stec]

After serious contemplation, on or about Thursday 22 February 2007 9:59
pm rbwinn perhaps from rbwinn3@juno.com wrote:

> On Feb 17, 10:49?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>> > On Feb 16, 10:10?pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>> > > Free Lunch wrote:
>> > > > On 16 Feb 2007 16:54:10 -0800, in alt.atheism
>> > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
>> > > > <1171673650.738689.54...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
>> > > > >On Feb 13, 5:57?pm, Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> > > > >> On 13 Feb 2007 16:54:11 -0800, in alt.atheism
>> > > > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
>> > > > >> <1171414451.120125.63...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>:
>>
>> > > > ...
>>
>> > > > >> >I offered to send you a copy of the Bible. ??ou have
>> > > > >> >consistently maintained that the Bible does not exist.
>>
>> > > > >> How many more times will you repeat that lie.- Hide quoted
>> > > > >> text -
>>
>> > > > >You atheists all play the same game. ??If you want to claim
>> > > > >the Bible does not exist go ahead and say it does not exist.
>> > > > >Robert B. Winn
>>
>> > > > Once again you lie.
>>
>> > > > You know that none of us have ever claimed that the Bible does
>> > > > not exist. You insist on this false witness because you cannot
>> > > > be honest and admit that the Bible is not in itself evidence of
>> > > > anything. It is just one of many religious texts that is held
>> > > > in high regard by one religion or another. There is no evidence
>> > > > that the Bible is any more true than the Q'ran or any other
>> > > > religious text.
>>
>> > > > We all know the Bible exists. What we won't buy is your false
>> > > > claim that there is something special about it.
>>
>> > > > Stop your lies.
>>
>> > > It's a 'backs to the wall' reaction - pure and simple- Hide
>> > > quoted text -
>>
>> > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > I want to be watching when you try to run your game on Jesus
>> > Christ. Robert B. Winn
>>
>> Lunacy laced with arrogance and vindictiveness.
>>
>> ...........and YOU wonder why there are atheists- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> No, I don't wonder why there are atheists. Satan has never had
> trouble on this earth finding people to speak for him.

Momons can follow Satan. Christians and Moslems can follow Satan.
However by their very definition atheists cannot follow Satan.
Atheists believe in no gods. According to scripture Satan is like
Yahweh the son of the god El. He is one of the 70 sons of El and a
member of the council of gods. He is according to scripture Yahweh's
brother and uncle to Joshua. By the very fact that Satan is a god
atheists do not believe he exits. One cannot follow that which does
not exist.


> Robert B. Winn

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