NO EVIDENCE OF GODS

[Sippuuden]

Mettas Mother wrote:

> "Sippuuden" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message
> news:vfqdnQZOAdVSl3LYnZ2dnUVZ_ragnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Mettas Mother wrote:
>>
>>> "Sippuuden" <sipp@macrosoft.net> wrote in message
>>> news:y5edna5NbpcM93PYnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Mettas Mother wrote:
>>>>> Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!
>>>> >
>>>> No evidence of absence is ever required in any case. The burden of proof
>>>> cannot be shifted to the non-believers.
>>>>
>>>> The only reasonable default presumption in any case like this is the
>>>> null, 'NO ET,' 'NO GOD' no whatever.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.setileague.org/articles/setihoax.htm
>>>>
>>>> http://www.setileague.org/editor/null.htm
>> > Agreed that burden of proof should not be shifted
>> >
>> It's not a suggestion (should not) it's a requirement (CANNOT be
>> shifted) because shifting the burden of proof to the non-believers is
>> logical fallacy.
>> >
>> > to those who question the claimers!
>> > But that does not mandate any default status
>> > other then 'undetermined at the moment'.
>> >
>> Straw man. I didn't say, 'default status', I said that the only
>> reasonable default PRESUMPTION (like the default presumption of 'No
>> guilt' in court) is the null, 'NO ET', NO GOD', no whatever, because the
>> non-believers never have anything (any thing) to prove.
>> Didn't you look at those links? This is the way the scientific method of
>> investigation works.
>>
> Presumptions or assumptions could be made ...

Not could be made, ARE made, all the time. This is how things are done. See:
http://www.setileague.org/articles/setihoax.htm

http://www.setileague.org/editor/null.htm


The only reasonable default presumption (like the default presumption of
'No guilt' in court) is the null, 'NO ET', NO GOD', no whatever, because
the non-believers never have anything (any thing) to prove.

 

[JessHC]

Pastor Frank wrote:
> "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
> news:1173108528.110960.291180@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> > On 4 Mar., 18:27, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1173019052.691420.283990@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >> > H. Wm. Esque wrote:
> >>
> >> > > No Evidence of God?? Is this a claim? If so, whose responsibility
> >> > > is proof? I would contend there is no way to prove such a
> >> > > claim, therefore, the claimant would likely attempt to shift the
> >> > > responsibility to those whom he considers his opponents.
> >>
> >> > No, it's more a statement about the absolute dearth of actual,
> >> > legitimate, objective, verifiable evidence for any deities ever in the
> >> > universe.
> >
> "Deity"? What's a deity? You sound like one who argues that there is no
> evidence that comic book characters Galacticus or Odin exists. LOL

You claim to be a pastor and don't know what a deity is?

http://209.161.33.50/dictionary/deity
One entry found.

deity

Main Entry: de·i·ty Listen to the pronunciation of deity Listen to
the pronunciation of deity
Pronunciation: \ˈdē-ə-tē, ˈdā-\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
Etymology: Middle English deitee, from Anglo-French deité, from Late
Latin deitat-, deitas, from Latin deus god; akin to Old English Tīw,
god of war, Latin divus god, dies day, Greek dios heavenly, Sanskrit
deva heavenly, god
Date: 14th century

1 a: the rank or essential nature of a god : divinity bcapitalized :
god 1, supreme being2: a god or goddess <the deities of ancient
Greece>3: one exalted or revered as supremely good or powerful

That help at all?

 

[JessHC]

Pastor Frank wrote:
> "thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
> news:1173108528.110960.291180@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> > On 4 Mar., 18:27, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1173019052.691420.283990@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >> > H. Wm. Esque wrote:
> >>
> >> > > No Evidence of God?? Is this a claim? If so, whose responsibility
> >> > > is proof? I would contend there is no way to prove such a
> >> > > claim, therefore, the claimant would likely attempt to shift the
> >> > > responsibility to those whom he considers his opponents.
> >>
> >> > No, it's more a statement about the absolute dearth of actual,
> >> > legitimate, objective, verifiable evidence for any deities ever in the
> >> > universe.
> >
> "Deity"? What's a deity? You sound like one who argues that there is no
> evidence that comic book characters Galacticus or Odin exists. LOL

You claim to be a pastor and don't know what a deity is?

http://209.161.33.50/dictionary/deity
One entry found.

deity

Main Entry: de·i·ty Listen to the pronunciation of deity Listen to
the pronunciation of deity
Pronunciation: \ˈdē-ə-tē, ˈdā-\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
Etymology: Middle English deitee, from Anglo-French deité, from Late
Latin deitat-, deitas, from Latin deus god; akin to Old English Tīw,
god of war, Latin divus god, dies day, Greek dios heavenly, Sanskrit
deva heavenly, god
Date: 14th century

1 a: the rank or essential nature of a god : divinity bcapitalized :
god 1, supreme being2: a god or goddess <the deities of ancient
Greece>3: one exalted or revered as supremely good or powerful

That help at all?

 

[Michael Gray]

On 6 Mar 2007 19:02:27 -0800, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1173236546.889638.206570@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>

:


>Atheists use the Bible selectively because they do not understand any
>of it.

Listen here, Mr. Winn, I have read your crime manual in the Hebrew,
Aramaic, and Greek, as well as more than 20 or so English versions,
and understood every single word.
Your ignorance of your wholly Babble is so profound as to be a joke.
You have only read it in English, and even that translation is the
most egregious ever perpetrated on scholarly audience.

You are not qualified to turn the pages for me, let alone tell me
which bits opf the Hebrew and Greek I do not understand!
You have admitted that you understand NOTHING WHATSOEVER of your
original bible, and are forced to rely on criminally poor
translations!!

Get back to me when you have acquired some minimal scholarship, if you
have the wherewithall to do so, (which I would bet my entire fortune
that you do not.)

Now kindly **** OFF.

--

 

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 6, 8:40?pm, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
> > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > > Latin is a dead language used by people who have nothing to say.
> >
> > > > Much like quoting from the Bible...
> >
> > > Well, Jesus Christ said, Search the scriptures, for in them ye think
> > > ye have eternal life.
> >
> > You've long since proven you have nothing to say. No need to provide any
> > more evidence, little fella...
>
> Well, I don't need to have anything to say.

Lucky break for you.

> I am talking to atheists.

No, you're babbling at atheists, in an atheist newsgroup. Have you
noticed how none of your theist buddies are coming to your defense?

 

[Michael Gray]

On 7 Mar 2007 09:49:42 -0800, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1173289782.480046.72050@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>
>rbwinn wrote:
>> On Mar 6, 2:21?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>> > Robert, why would you believe that you are somehow exempt from a simple
>> > instruction in your manual: to beat a speedy retreat from any place like
>> > alt dot atheism where your proselytizing is not welcome, and 'shake the
>> > dust of that place off your feet' [don't have anything further to do
>> > with it]?
>> >
>> > Your hypothesis that things in your manual only apply to the original
>> > twelve apostles is just the fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis. If they were
>> > to apply only to the original twelve apostles then there would be no
>> > proselytizing today, would there?- Hide quoted text -
>> >
>> Who told you I was proselytizing?
>
>What do YOU think you're doing?

Bzzzt!
Meaningless question.
Bobby is quite incapable of thought.

--

 

[Michael Gray]

On 7 Mar 2007 03:31:14 -0800, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1173267074.002850.40360@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>
>On Mar 7, 12:07 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:07:51 -0800, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
>> wrote:
>> - Refer: <19idnSxmGoq1RXDYnZ2dnUVZ_qmpn...@comcast.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >Michael Gray wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:13:03 -0800, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> - Refer: <j6SdnbyJ15LcQXHYnZ2dnUVZ_uXin...@comcast.com>
>> >>> rbwinn wrote:
>> >>>> On Mar 5, 11:48?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
>> >>>>> On 4 Mar., 17:21, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>>>>>news:1173018520.978855.246000@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 12:05?am, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> "Scott Richter" <scottrichter...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>> snip
>>
>> >>>>>>> Matthew 10:14
>> >>>>>>> And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye
>> >>>>>>> depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
>> >>>>>> Christians who do not heed this verse are in violation of the very
>> >>>>>> faith they profess. There is no Biblical authorization to "shove ones
>> >>>>>> religion down the throat of another person". An atheist who wants
>> >>>>>> a defense against over-bearing proselytizers should be able to
>> >>>>>> point to this verse as a defense
>> >>>>> We have, and, just like you and the inane champion of the world
>> >>>>> (little Winn), they ignore it.
>> >>>> Well, as I told you before, that was Christ's instruction to his
>> >>>> twelve apostles. I am not an apostle.
>> >>>> I am just an ordinary person quoting verses from Isaiah.
>> >>>> Robert B. Winn
>>
>> >>> Logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis:
>>
>> >>> "An ad hoc hypothesis is one created to explain away facts that seem to
>> >>> refute one's theory." -- http://skepdic.com/adhoc.html
>>
>> >> One has to actually have a theory in the first place.
>> >> Bobby has only crazed schizophrenic ramblings.
>>
>> >He has a 'theory' [using the term very loosely] that he is not bound by
>> >instructions in his manual to beat a speedy retreat from alt.atheism.
>> >The facts seem to refute his theory. That's why he resorts to the
>> >logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis, to try to explain away the facts
>> >that seem to refute his theory.
>>
>> >Now he resorts to another one, that the term, 'ad hoc' is not an
>> >acceptable English term. Go figure.
>>
>> I have figured.
>> He is clinically insane.
>>
>> The prosecution rests, m'lud.
>>
>That one has already been tried. So what is your theory, that mental
>patients are provided with computers nowadays?

Obviously they are, although I think that you sneak into the Nurses
station while they are at lunch.

>Robert B. Winn

--

 

[Michael Gray]

On 7 Mar 2007 03:36:33 -0800, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1173267393.091966.165640@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
>On Mar 7, 12:09?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:53:34 -0800, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (ScottRichter) wrote:
>>
>> - Refer: <1hukpsp.1pxrmuu1t335k3N%scottrichter...@yahoo.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > > Why don't you explain it to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the
>> >> > > earth?
>>
>> >> > That's so adorable! You think some guy who lived 2000 years ago (if he
>> >> > existed at all) is going to "return to judge the earth"? It's just too
>> >> > cute for words!
>>
>> >> > No, wait... You're an ADULT, right? Hmmm, scratch what I said, it's not
>> >> > cute at all, it's just ridiculous.
>>
>> >> Well, Scot, I would not be the one to discuss your idea with. hy
>> >> don't you take an opportunity to discuss it with Jesus Christ after he
>> >> returns to judge the earth?
>>
>> >Like I said, a grown man saying these things: ridiculous.
>>
>> >Here's a tip, Skippy. For a threat to work, the person at whom the
>> >threat is directed has to believe the threat is real. Otherwise, you
>> >come across like a four year old child trying to scare his parents by
>> >claiming a monster is in the closet.
>>
>> >Does any of this make sense to you?
>>
>> Too many big words.
>> Too much threatening reality.
>> Too much sanity for pathetic little Bobby.
>>
>You sound like an atheist searching for a verse from Isaiah.

Bloody hell, you are truly THICK, Bobby!

If you have to quote a pathetically erroneous translation, then it is
you who are searching for knowledge.
I have read your entire OT in Hebrew, and so don't need Sunday-School
homilies from a certifiable ignoramus.

Get back to me when you actually have got a clue, or two.

--

 

[stumper]

Michael Gray wrote:
> stumper wrote:
>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>> stumper wrote:
>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>>>>>>>>> Which version?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless
>>>>> con-artist.
>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for
>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the
>>>>> dollar.
>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
>>>>>
>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
>>> Which god?
>>>
>> Do you believe in any?
>
> No.
>

Are you familiar with the Christian God?

--
~Stumper

 

[JessHC]

Michael Gray wrote:
> On 7 Mar 2007 09:49:42 -0800, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com>
> wrote:
> - Refer: <1173289782.480046.72050@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>
> >rbwinn wrote:
> >> On Mar 6, 2:21?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> >> > Robert, why would you believe that you are somehow exempt from a simple
> >> > instruction in your manual: to beat a speedy retreat from any place like
> >> > alt dot atheism where your proselytizing is not welcome, and 'shake the
> >> > dust of that place off your feet' [don't have anything further to do
> >> > with it]?
> >> >
> >> > Your hypothesis that things in your manual only apply to the original
> >> > twelve apostles is just the fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis. If they were
> >> > to apply only to the original twelve apostles then there would be no
> >> > proselytizing today, would there?- Hide quoted text -
> >> >
> >> Who told you I was proselytizing?
> >
> >What do YOU think you're doing?
>
> Bzzzt!
> Meaningless question.
> Bobby is quite incapable of thought.

Point taken; I withdraw the question.

 

[JessHC]

stumper wrote:
> Michael Gray wrote:
> > stumper wrote:
> >> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>> stumper wrote:
> >>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
> >>>>>>>>> Which version?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
> >>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
> >>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Are you trying to say that
> >>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
> >>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
> >>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
> >>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless
> >>>>> con-artist.
> >>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for
> >>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the
> >>>>> dollar.
> >>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Can God speak Chinese?
> >>> Which god?
> >>>
> >> Do you believe in any?
> >
> > No.
>
> Are you familiar with the Christian God?

Why do you ask?

 

[Pastor Frank]

"thomas p." <tonyofbexar@yahoo.dk> wrote in message
news:1173115799.199334.204340@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com...
> On 4 Mar., 18:27, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1173019052.691420.283990@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> > H. Wm. Esque wrote:
>>
>> > > No Evidence of God?? Is this a claim? If so, whose responsibility
>> > > is proof? I would contend there is no way to prove such a
>> > > claim, therefore, the claimant would likely attempt to shift the
>> > > responsibility to those whom he considers his opponents.
>>
>> > No, it's more a statement about the absolute dearth of actual,
>> > legitimate, objective, verifiable evidence for any deities ever in the
>> > universe.
>>
>> There is no proof. Absolute certainty is not available where the
>> Deity is concerned.
>
> Why mention proof? Nobody asked for proof?
>
>> People of faith accept the Existence of God as a matter of faith,
>> and not because of hard empirical evidence. If this is what is
>> demanded by you, then you are demanding this of God because
>> he has not provided it.
>
> Evidence is asked for not proof, and it is not asked of god.
>
God provided the evidence in Jesus Christ giving His blameless life for
us sinners on the cross of Calvary, for our "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16)
and Jesus Christ proved HIS love for others. Are we evidencing our God?
See below refs

Pastor Frank

1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

 

[stumper]

JessHC wrote:
> stumper wrote:
>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>> stumper wrote:
>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>>>>>>>>>>> Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless
>>>>>>> con-artist.
>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for
>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the
>>>>>>> dollar.
>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
>>>>> Which god?
>>>>>
>>>> Do you believe in any?
>>> No.
>> Are you familiar with the Christian God?
>
> Why do you ask?
>

Just wondering how he can be so certain
that the Christian God does not exist.

--
~Stumper

 

[JessHC]

stumper wrote:
> JessHC wrote:
> > stumper wrote:
> >> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>> stumper wrote:
> >>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Which version?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
> >>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
> >>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
> >>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
> >>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
> >>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
> >>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless
> >>>>>>> con-artist.
> >>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for
> >>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the
> >>>>>>> dollar.
> >>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
> >>>>> Which god?
> >>>>>
> >>>> Do you believe in any?
> >>> No.
> >> Are you familiar with the Christian God?
> >
> > Why do you ask?
>
> Just wondering how he can be so certain that the Christian God does not exist.

The exact same way you can be so certain Zeus doesn't exist.

 

[stumper]

JessHC wrote:
> stumper wrote:
>> JessHC wrote:
>>> stumper wrote:
>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless
>>>>>>>>> con-artist.
>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for
>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the
>>>>>>>>> dollar.
>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
>>>>>>> Which god?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you believe in any?
>>>>> No.
>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God?
>>> Why do you ask?
>> Just wondering how he can be so certain that the Christian God does not exist.
>
> The exact same way you can be so certain Zeus doesn't exist.
>

Do you know what it means
for someone to believe in God?

--
~Stumper

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 7, 12:09�am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:53:34 -0800, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (ScottRichter) wrote:
>
>

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 7, 4:21�am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> So did the storm come?
>
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1173267775.211415.259560@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 7, 12:32?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Have you considered this verse from Isaiah?
> > Isaiah 4:6

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 7, 4:25�am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Theists are also inventive.

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 7, 6:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 7, 12:10?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > > On 6 Mar 2007 14:52:00 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > ? - Refer: <1173221520.689544.138...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
> > > >Have you considered you're just making an ass of yourself?
>
> > > That appears to be an avowed goal of his.
>
> > Now why would an atheist be concerned about what my goals are?
>
> Because you keep defecating in alt.atheism.
>
> > Do atheists concern themselves with the goals of all people?
>
> No, just the goals of people trying to impose their religious beliefs
> on everyone.

As I understand it, you are saying that you are opposed to freedom of
speech.
Robert B. Winn

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 7, 6:12�am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 7, 12:32?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> > > Mettas Mother wrote:
> > > > Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!
>
> > > ?>
> > > No evidence of absence is ever required in any case. The burden of proof
> > > cannot be shifted to the non-believers.
>
> > > The only reasonable default presumption in any case like this is the
> > > null, 'NO ET,' 'NO GOD' no whatever.
>
> > >http://www.setileague.org/articles/setihoax.htm
>
> > >http://www.setileague.org/editor/null.htm
>
> > Have you considered this verse from Isaiah?
> > Isaiah 4:6