NO EVIDENCE OF GODS

[Michael Gray]

On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:50:43 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
wrote:
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>Michael Gray wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:35:26 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>> wrote:
>> - Refer: <yumdnbGnWIeDo3LYnZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@ptd.net>
>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless
>>>>>>>> con-artist.
>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for
>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the
>>>>>>>> dollar.
>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
>>>>>> Which god?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Do you believe in any?
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God?
>>
>> As familiar as I am with Sherlock Holmes.
>>
>
>How do you know it does not exist?

What "it" are you referring to, child?

I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are a vicously retarded
infantile illiterate, who is wilfully ignorant to a truly astounding
extent.

Can you supply me with some minimal evidence to show that such a
conclusion is unwarranted?

--

 

[Mistylien]

"stumper" <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote in message
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> Mistylien wrote:
>> "stumper" <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote in message
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Snip<

>>
>> God is the giver of all languages.
>>
>> Have you ever heard of the Tower of Babble?
>>
>> It was God that confused their languages and gave some one language
>> and other a differnt one so they could not even comunicate and keep on trying
>> to buld the towser that the top could even reach into heaven.
>>
>
> Have you talked to God recently?

LOL I talk to The Creator Lord God from time to time yes.
It is called Prayer.

M,
>
> --
> ~Stumper

 

[Sippuuden]

Michael Gray wrote:
> On 7 Mar 2007 14:43:40 -0800, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com>
> wrote:
> - Refer: <1173307420.007287.59580@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>> On 7 Mar 2007 09:49:42 -0800, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> - Refer: <1173289782.480046.72050@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 6, 2:21?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Robert, why would you believe that you are somehow exempt from a simple
>>>>>> instruction in your manual: to beat a speedy retreat from any place like
>>>>>> alt dot atheism where your proselytizing is not welcome, and 'shake the
>>>>>> dust of that place off your feet' [don't have anything further to do
>>>>>> with it]?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your hypothesis that things in your manual only apply to the original
>>>>>> twelve apostles is just the fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis. If they were
>>>>>> to apply only to the original twelve apostles then there would be no
>>>>>> proselytizing today, would there?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>
>>>>> Who told you I was proselytizing?
>>>> What do YOU think you're doing?
>>> Bzzzt!
>>> Meaningless question.
>>> Bobby is quite incapable of thought.
>> Point taken; I withdraw the question.
>
> Objection sustained.
>
> Now, what about this defence of...
> <shuffles papers>
> Erm "Not guilty by way of insanity"?
> What does the defendent have to say?
>
> You will stand when you address the court Mr. Winn.
> Remove that canvas jacket from him will you, usher?
>
Take off his straight jacket? I object!

 

[Michael Gray]

On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:23:22 -0800, Sippuuden <sipp@macrosoft.net>
wrote:
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>Michael Gray wrote:
>> On 7 Mar 2007 14:43:40 -0800, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com>
>> wrote:
>> - Refer: <1173307420.007287.59580@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
>>> Michael Gray wrote:
>>>> On 7 Mar 2007 09:49:42 -0800, "JessHC" <jesshc@phantomemail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> - Refer: <1173289782.480046.72050@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>
>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2:21?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Robert, why would you believe that you are somehow exempt from a simple
>>>>>>> instruction in your manual: to beat a speedy retreat from any place like
>>>>>>> alt dot atheism where your proselytizing is not welcome, and 'shake the
>>>>>>> dust of that place off your feet' [don't have anything further to do
>>>>>>> with it]?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your hypothesis that things in your manual only apply to the original
>>>>>>> twelve apostles is just the fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis. If they were
>>>>>>> to apply only to the original twelve apostles then there would be no
>>>>>>> proselytizing today, would there?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who told you I was proselytizing?
>>>>> What do YOU think you're doing?
>>>> Bzzzt!
>>>> Meaningless question.
>>>> Bobby is quite incapable of thought.
>>> Point taken; I withdraw the question.
>>
>> Objection sustained.
>>
>> Now, what about this defence of...
>> <shuffles papers>
>> Erm "Not guilty by way of insanity"?
>> What does the defendent have to say?
>>
>> You will stand when you address the court Mr. Winn.
>> Remove that canvas jacket from him will you, usher?
>>
>Take off his straight jacket? I object!

The learned counsel's objection is sustained.
Mr. Winn is a clear and present danger to rationality.

The Jury will now consider it's verdict.

--

 

[ZenIsWhen]

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 7, 6:24?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Mar 6, 11:06?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > > On 6 Mar 2007 14:32:53 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > ? - Refer: <1173220373.586251.210...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>
> > > >So you think it's a good idea to deliberately disobey orders straight
> > > >from your deity. ?How's that working out for you?
>
> > > The nurses tighten his jacket straps tomorrow.
>
> > Well, here we have people from medical science claiming to be my
> > diety. Atheists are nothing if not inventive.
>
> That's an unfortunate comprehension problem you've got. Too much
> medication, or not enough?

I am fairly good at staying away from medical science.
Robert B. Winn

and, obviously, your much needed psychiatrists

 

[ZenIsWhen]

"stumper" <stumper@newvessel.com> wrote in message
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> Michael Gray wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:36:27 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
>> wrote:
>> - Refer: <kLSdncz2_8r-0XLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@ptd.net>

>>> Do you know what it means
>>> for someone to believe in God?
>>
>> Yes.
>> It is the same as any belief that is not supported by a scrap of
>> evidence.
>>
>
> What is the evidence for "(-2)(-3) = 6"?
> What is the evidence for "Matter is in space and time"?
>
> --
> ~Stumper


Try to focus your attention here on earth, and at this time.

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 7, 10:00�pm, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com> wrote:
> Michael Gray wrote:
> > On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:36:27 -0500, stumper <stum...@newvessel.com>
> > wrote:
> >

 

[rbwinn]

On Mar 8, 4:08?am, "ZenIsWhen" <onesmalls...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1173322420.878055.7950@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 7, 6:24?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
>
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Mar 6, 11:06?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > > > On 6 Mar 2007 14:32:53 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > ? - Refer: <1173220373.586251.210...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>
> > > > >So you think it's a good idea to deliberately disobey orders straight
> > > > >from your deity. ?How's that working out for you?
>
> > > > The nurses tighten his jacket straps tomorrow.
>
> > > Well, here we have people from medical science claiming to be my
> > > diety. Atheists are nothing if not inventive.
>
> > That's an unfortunate comprehension problem you've got. Too much
> > medication, or not enough?
>
> I am fairly good at staying away from medical science.
> Robert B. Winn
>
> and, obviously, your much needed psychiatrists

 

[jl]

On Mar 8, 4:39 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:23:22 -0800, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
> wrote:
> - Refer: <erCdnYJ9sbKWS3LYnZ2dnUVZ_trin...@comcast.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> >Michael Gray wrote:
> >> On 7 Mar 2007 14:43:40 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> - Refer: <1173307420.007287.59...@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
> >>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>> On 7 Mar 2007 09:49:42 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> - Refer: <1173289782.480046.72...@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>
> >>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mar 6, 2:21?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Robert, why would you believe that you are somehow exempt from a simple
> >>>>>>> instruction in your manual: to beat a speedy retreat from any place like
> >>>>>>> alt dot atheism where your proselytizing is not welcome, and 'shake the
> >>>>>>> dust of that place off your feet' [don't have anything further to do
> >>>>>>> with it]?
>
> >>>>>>> Your hypothesis that things in your manual only apply to the original
> >>>>>>> twelve apostles is just the fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis. If they were
> >>>>>>> to apply only to the original twelve apostles then there would be no
> >>>>>>> proselytizing today, would there?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>>>> Who told you I was proselytizing?
> >>>>> What do YOU think you're doing?
> >>>> Bzzzt!
> >>>> Meaningless question.
> >>>> Bobby is quite incapable of thought.
> >>> Point taken; I withdraw the question.
>
> >> Objection sustained.
>
> >> Now, what about this defence of...
> >> <shuffles papers>
> >> Erm "Not guilty by way of insanity"?
> >> What does the defendent have to say?
>
> >> You will stand when you address the court Mr. Winn.
> >> Remove that canvas jacket from him will you, usher?
>
> >Take off his straight jacket? I object!
>
> The learned counsel's objection is sustained.
> Mr. Winn is a clear and present danger to rationality.
>
> The Jury will now consider it's verdict.

Let the judge without a jury make findings of fact and conclusions of
law. Winn's not entitled to a jury.

Maybe Winn will get a jury at the last judgment as a consolation for
being denied his juries here on earth.

 

[JessHC]

stumper wrote:
> Michael Gray wrote:
> > On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:36:27 -0500, stumper <stumper@newvessel.com>
> > wrote:
> > - Refer: <kLSdncz2_8r-0XLYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@ptd.net>
> >> JessHC wrote:
> >>> stumper wrote:
> >>>> JessHC wrote:
> >>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stumper wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn't you obey the Ten Commandments?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which version?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one do you have in mind?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ve ask ze qvestions here!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are two versions at least in the Hebrew, many, many more if you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "rely" on the excresent English or Latin translations.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Are you trying to say that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> you can read Hebrew?
> >>>>>>>>>>> I can read the Bible in Hebrew, yes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Can you speak Aramaic as well?
> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't "speak" it, but can read it, after a fashion.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I heard Benny Hinn does.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Benny Hinn only speaks the pure bullshit language of a heartless
> >>>>>>>>>>> con-artist.
> >>>>>>>>>>> He is a criminally fraudulent money vampire who is responsible for
> >>>>>>>>>>> much suffering and premature death in his single-minded pursuit of the
> >>>>>>>>>>> dollar.
> >>>>>>>>>>> He makes Dracula look like Albert Schweitzer.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Can God speak Chinese?
> >>>>>>>>> Which god?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Do you believe in any?
> >>>>>>> No.
> >>>>>> Are you familiar with the Christian God?
> >>>>> Why do you ask?
> >>>> Just wondering how he can be so certain that the Christian God does not exist.
> >>> The exact same way you can be so certain Zeus doesn't exist.
> >>>
> >> Do you know what it means
> >> for someone to believe in God?
> >
> > Yes.
> > It is the same as any belief that is not supported by a scrap of
> > evidence.
> >
>
> What is the evidence for "(-2)(-3) = 6"?
> What is the evidence for "Matter is in space and time"?

Non-responsive.

 

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 7, 12:09?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:53:34 -0800, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (ScottRichter) wrote:
> >
> > ? - Refer: <1hukpsp.1pxrmuu1t335k3N%scottrichter...@yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> > > Why don't you explain it to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the
> > >> > > earth?
> >
> > >> > That's so adorable! You think some guy who lived 2000 years ago (if he
> > >> > existed at all) is going to "return to judge the earth"? It's just too
> > >> > cute for words!
> >
> > >> > No, wait... You're an ADULT, right? Hmmm, scratch what I said, it's not
> > >> > cute at all, it's just ridiculous.
> >
> > >> Well, Scot, I would not be the one to discuss your idea with. ?Why
> > >> don't you take an opportunity to discuss it with Jesus Christ after he
> > >> returns to judge the earth?
> >
> > >Like I said, a grown man saying these things: ridiculous.
> >
> > >Here's a tip, Skippy. For a threat to work, the person at whom the
> > >threat is directed has to believe the threat is real. Otherwise, you
> > >come across like a four year old child trying to scare his parents by
> > >claiming a monster is in the closet.
> >
> > >Does any of this make sense to you?
> >
> > Too many big words.
> > Too much threatening reality.
> > Too much sanity for pathetic little Bobby.
> >
> I have never seen an atheist say anything that had much meaning.

That's the sad result of your inability to interact with reality.

> Now, Isaiah was a person who could make meaningful statements.

As is this statement.

 

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 7, 4:21?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > So did the storm come?
> >
> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1173267775.211415.259560@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> > On Mar 7, 12:32?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Have you considered this verse from Isaiah?
> > > Isaiah 4:6 ?And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the
> > > daytime from the heat, and for a place of refuge , and for a covert
> > > from storm , and from rain.
> > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The storm did come.

Only in your brain.

 

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 7, 4:25?am, "Mettas Mother" <Mettas_Moth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Theists are also inventive. ?Can you deny that theist invented god!
> >
> God is eternal.

Unsupported assertion.

 

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 7, 6:10?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Mar 7, 12:10?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > > > On 6 Mar 2007 14:52:00 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > ? - Refer: <1173221520.689544.138...@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
> > > > >Have you considered you're just making an ass of yourself?
> >
> > > > That appears to be an avowed goal of his.
> >
> > > Now why would an atheist be concerned about what my goals are?
> >
> > Because you keep defecating in alt.atheism.
> >
> > > Do atheists concern themselves with the goals of all people?
> >
> > No, just the goals of people trying to impose their religious beliefs
> > on everyone.
>
> As I understand it, you are saying that you are opposed to freedom of
> speech.

Golly, did I say anything even remotely like that? Nope.

 

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 7, 6:12?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Mar 7, 12:32?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> > > > Mettas Mother wrote:
> > > > > Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!
> >
> > > > ?>
> > > > No evidence of absence is ever required in any case. The burden of proof
> > > > cannot be shifted to the non-believers.
> >
> > > > The only reasonable default presumption in any case like this is the
> > > > null, 'NO ET,' 'NO GOD' no whatever.
> >
> > > >http://www.setileague.org/articles/setihoax.htm
> >
> > > >http://www.setileague.org/editor/null.htm
> >
> > > Have you considered this verse from Isaiah?
> > > Isaiah 4:6 ?And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the
> > > daytime from the heat, and for a place of refuge , and for a covert
> > > from storm , and from rain.
> >
> > Please provide a rational, legitimate reason for any atheist to
> > consider any quote from your book of mythology as anything other than
> > part of your mythology.- Hide quoted text -
> >
>
> Consider it any way you want to consider it.

Non-responsive. You lose.

> You had an atheist in alt.bible trying to convince people that the Bible does not exist.

Unsupported assertion. You lose.

> If the Bible does not exist, why are you atheists considering verses from
> the book of Isaiah?

Non sequitur. You lose.

 

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 7, 6:15?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Mar 7, 12:51?am, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> > > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > On Mar 6, 2:21?pm, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net> wrote:
> > > > >> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > >>> On Mar 6, 2:40 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>> On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:13:03 -0800, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
> > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>> ? - Refer: <j6SdnbyJ15LcQXHYnZ2dnUVZ_uXin...@comcast.com>
> > > > >>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> On Mar 5, 11:48?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>> On 4 Mar., 17:21, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
> > > > >>>>>>>>news:1173018520.978855.246000@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 12:05?am, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> "Scott Richter" <scottrichter...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > >>>>>>> snip
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Matthew 10:14
> > > > >>>>>>>>> And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye
> > > > >>>>>>>>> depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
> > > > >>>>>>>> Christians who do not heed this verse are in violation of the very
> > > > >>>>>>>> faith they profess. There is no Biblical authorization to "shove ones
> > > > >>>>>>>> religion down the throat of another person". An atheist who wants
> > > > >>>>>>>> a defense against over-bearing proselytizers should be able to
> > > > >>>>>>>> point to this verse as a defense
> > > > >>>>>>> We have, and, just like you and the inane champion of the world
> > > > >>>>>>> (little Winn), they ignore it.
> > > > >>>>>> Well, as I told you before, that was Christ's instruction to his
> > > > >>>>>> twelve apostles. ?I am not an apostle.
> > > > >>>>>> I am just an ordinary person quoting verses from Isaiah.
> > > > >>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> > > > >>>>> Logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis:
> > > > >>>>> "An ad hoc hypothesis is one created to explain away facts that seem to
> > > > >>>>> refute one's theory." -- ?http://skepdic.com/adhoc.html
> > > > >>>> One has to actually have a theory in the first place.
> > > > >>>> Bobby has only crazed schizophrenic ramblings.
> > > > >>> You were the ones who were trying to promote me to the position of
> > > > >>> apostle. ?You have no authority to make any such promotion. ? I am not
> > > > >>> being sent with the same responsibility the apostles were given. ?I
> > > > >>> have yet to see you use any verse of the Bible in context. ?All you
> > > > >>> ever do is take random verses and apply them according to your
> > > > >>> interpretation.
> > > > >>> Robert B. Winn
> > > > >> Robert, why would you believe that you are somehow exempt from a simple
> > > > >> instruction in your manual: to beat a speedy retreat from any place like
> > > > >> alt dot atheism where your proselytizing is not welcome, and 'shake the
> > > > >> dust of that place off your feet' [don't have anything further to do
> > > > >> with it]?
> >
> > > > >> Your hypothesis that things in your manual only apply to the original
> > > > >> twelve apostles is just the fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis. If they were
> > > > >> to apply only to the original twelve apostles then there would be no
> > > > >> proselytizing today, would there?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > > > Who told you I was proselytizing?
> > > > > Robert B. Winn
> >
> > > > You did, Robert, when you started quoting your book of myth to us
> > > > non-believers.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > Oh, I see, you have forbidden all people from quoting from the Bible.
> >
> > Oops. ?Lying is a sin.
> >
> > > Here is a verse from Isaiah.
> > > Isaiah 5:1 ?Now will I sing to my well-beloved a song of my beloved
> > > touching his vineyard. ?My well-beloved hath a vineyard in a very
> > > fruitful hill.
> > > Well, I have quoted from the Bible. ?How is that proselyting?
> >
> > How is it not ?
> >
> > http://209.161.33.50/dictionary/proselytize
> > ?1 ?: to induce someone to convert to one's faith ? 2 ?: to recruit
> > someone to join one's party, institution, or cause ? transitive
> > verb ? : to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution,
> > or cause
> >
> > If you aren't trying to convert anyone, what are you trying to do?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> I am just pushing back a little.

Oops, sorry, that lie has been refuted.

> Any time atheists get too pushy, I quote some verses from Isaiah.

Baffle them with bullshit, eh?

> That gets rid of most of them.

Hasn't worked so far.

 

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 7, 6:22?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Mar 7, 12:07 am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:07:51 -0800, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > ? - Refer: <19idnSxmGoq1RXDYnZ2dnUVZ_qmpn...@comcast.com>
> >
> > > > >Michael Gray wrote:
> > > > >> On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:13:03 -0800, Sippuuden <s...@macrosoft.net>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> ? - Refer: <j6SdnbyJ15LcQXHYnZ2dnUVZ_uXin...@comcast.com>
> > > > >>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > >>>> On Mar 5, 11:48?am, "thomas p." <tonyofbe...@yahoo.dk> wrote:
> > > > >>>>> On 4 Mar., 17:21, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:> "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > > >>>>>>news:1173018520.978855.246000@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 12:05?am, "H. Wm. Esque" <HEs...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>>> "Scott Richter" <scottrichter...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > >>>>> snip
> >
> > > > >>>>>>> Matthew 10:14
> > > > >>>>>>> And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye
> > > > >>>>>>> depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
> > > > >>>>>> Christians who do not heed this verse are in violation of the very
> > > > >>>>>> faith they profess. There is no Biblical authorization to "shove ones
> > > > >>>>>> religion down the throat of another person". An atheist who wants
> > > > >>>>>> a defense against over-bearing proselytizers should be able to
> > > > >>>>>> point to this verse as a defense
> > > > >>>>> We have, and, just like you and the inane champion of the world
> > > > >>>>> (little Winn), they ignore it.
> > > > >>>> Well, as I told you before, that was Christ's instruction to his
> > > > >>>> twelve apostles. ?I am not an apostle.
> > > > >>>> I am just an ordinary person quoting verses from Isaiah.
> > > > >>>> Robert B. Winn
> >
> > > > >>> Logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis:
> >
> > > > >>> "An ad hoc hypothesis is one created to explain away facts that seem to
> > > > >>> refute one's theory." -- ?http://skepdic.com/adhoc.html
> >
> > > > >> One has to actually have a theory in the first place.
> > > > >> Bobby has only crazed schizophrenic ramblings.
> >
> > > > >He has a 'theory' [using the term very loosely] that he is not bound by
> > > > >instructions in his manual to beat a speedy retreat from alt.atheism.
> > > > >The facts seem to refute his theory. That's why he resorts to the
> > > > >logical fallacy of ad hoc hypothesis, to try to explain away the facts
> > > > >that seem to refute his theory.
> >
> > > > >Now he resorts to another one, that the term, 'ad hoc' is not an
> > > > >acceptable English term. Go figure.
> >
> > > > I have figured.
> > > > He is clinically insane.
> >
> > > > The prosecution rests, m'lud.
> >
> > > That one has already been tried. ?So what is your theory, that mental
> > > patients are provided with computers nowadays?
> >
> > Why not? ?Even mental patients can get email.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> Well, I have an idea.

You have a lot of ideas; the problem is, they're all irrational.

> Why don't you e-mail some mental patients? I
> am sure they would be happy to hear from you.

I'm sure they would; it would distract them from your ranting and
unstable behavior.

 

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 7, 6:24?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Mar 6, 11:06?pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > > > On 6 Mar 2007 14:32:53 -0800, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > ? - Refer: <1173220373.586251.210...@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com>
> > > > >So you think it's a good idea to deliberately disobey orders straight
> > > > >from your deity. ?How's that working out for you?
> >
> > > > The nurses tighten his jacket straps tomorrow.
> >
> > > Well, here we have people from medical science claiming to be my
> > > diety. ?Atheists are nothing if not inventive.
> >
> > That's an unfortunate comprehension problem you've got. ?Too much
> > medication, or not enough?
>
> I am fairly good at staying away from medical science.

Too bad; you could benefit from it. For example, it might help with
your unfortunate comprehension problem.

 

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 7, 6:21?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Mar 7, 12:09?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:53:34 -0800, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (ScottRichter) wrote:
> >
> > > > ? - Refer: <1hukpsp.1pxrmuu1t335k3N%scottrichter...@yahoo.com>
> >
> > > > >rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > >> > > Why don't you explain it to Jesus Christ when he returns to judge the
> > > > >> > > earth?
> >
> > > > >> > That's so adorable! You think some guy who lived 2000 years ago (if he
> > > > >> > existed at all) is going to "return to judge the earth"? It's just too
> > > > >> > cute for words!
> >
> > > > >> > No, wait... You're an ADULT, right? Hmmm, scratch what I said, it's not
> > > > >> > cute at all, it's just ridiculous.
> >
> > > > >> Well, Scot, I would not be the one to discuss your idea with. ?Why
> > > > >> don't you take an opportunity to discuss it with Jesus Christ after he
> > > > >> returns to judge the earth?
> >
> > > > >Like I said, a grown man saying these things: ridiculous.
> >
> > > > >Here's a tip, Skippy. For a threat to work, the person at whom the
> > > > >threat is directed has to believe the threat is real. Otherwise, you
> > > > >come across like a four year old child trying to scare his parents by
> > > > >claiming a monster is in the closet.
> >
> > > > >Does any of this make sense to you?
> >
> > > > Too many big words.
> > > > Too much threatening reality.
> > > > Too much sanity for pathetic little Bobby.
> >
> > > You sound like an atheist searching for a verse from Isaiah.
> >
> > Thou shalt not bear false witness.
> >
> Ok, now it is my turn.

You lose.

 

[JessHC]

rbwinn wrote:
> On Mar 7, 6:26?am, "JessHC" <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Mar 6, 10:57?pm, scottrichter...@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote:
> > > > rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Latin is a dead language used by people who have nothing to say.
> >
> > > > > > > > Much like quoting from the Bible...
> >
> > > > > > > Well, Jesus Christ said, Search the scriptures, for in them ye think
> > > > > > > ye have eternal life.
> >
> > > > > > You've long since proven you have nothing to say. No need to provide any
> > > > > > more evidence, little fella...
> >
> > > > > Well, I don't need to have anything to say. ?
> >
> > > > Well, then "Mission Accomplished"...
> >
> > > Oh, I see. ?You were on a mission. ?How did that come about?
> >
> > Have one of your attendants teach you how to read.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> Oh, I never read much other than Isaiah.

That explains your comprehension problem.