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Bible Prophecy & The Scientfic Method
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It'd be nice to believe that eddo.. but aren't there passages that specifically talk about serving men or ***? Money or ***? Enduring til the end? Being hated by men and the world? Seeing like a child? The narrow over the broad road? The many who search, and the few who find it? No one is born a liar and hypocrite..
Remember when you were young? You shone like the Sun ~ Pink Floyd
eddo
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Having a life goal of Serving ***, as opposed to money or man, doesn't mean we will accomplish this without fail- because we are human. Humans screw up. They Bible tells us how we should live, as Christians, but it also reminds us that "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of ***." This word "all" means everyone. Me, you, Mother Teresa, Gandhi, Einstein, everyone. But Jesus was different. He was born of a virgin, so as to not have a human father's sinful bloodline. This made it possible for Him to be the perfect blood sacrifice that *** needed (because of an Old Testament covenant made with Abraham) to make atonement for those sins of "all." *** knew we needed this, so He made a way. If perfection was attainable, why the need to send Jesus? Why the need for the cross?
As for the "no one is born a liar and hypocrite..," while this is technically true, as a society we do a rather good job of indoctrinating our children into the world (the same world the rest of us live in) of lies and hypocrisy. Why? Because we make stupid decisions apart from the will of ***.
"Stop your rhyming! I mean it!"
"Anybody want a peanut?" ~ Princess Bride </random quote>
Well, I've never been to church in my life and never picked up a bible til I was 35.. But loved it when I did.. It seemed like things I already knew and was born with..
I was always guided by.. whatever is ok for me to do to another human being, is ok for every other human being to do to me.. anything other than that can only be backed up by hypocrisy.. so I made decisions accordingly and stood against hypocrisy wherever I saw it no matter who it was or who was watching.. Not rocket science. I must have actually thought out the golden rule somewhere along the line when I was a kid, and knew it to be true.
I don't think I'd ever call myself a Christian.. I despise labels.. they exclude people from me, and vice versa. I'm wez.
Why didn't *** just make everyone and everything the way *** wanted it the first time around? So if this is a test.. going against the will of *** would be failure, correct?
I will execute great vengeance on them with wrathful rebukes; and they will know that I am the LORD when I lay My vengeance on them ~ Ezekial 25:17
Lay his vengence on who and for what?
eddo
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*** did make everyone and everything the way He wanted it. We (read: humanity) screwed it up. He gave us 10 simple rules to follow, and we turned them into over 300 laws that tried to dictate our path to Him through following lists and rules and other things that took away from the original idea- and made one which no one could maintain perfection of, and that there was no other way to know ***.
So He had another idea. Jesus paying the price for us, so we were no longer bound by the letter of the law. now it became about grace, about love, about mercy. Perfection was no longer necessary, because grace forgives our wrongdoings. Love accepts us as we are. Mercy gives us another chance. Sure, going against the will of *** is failure (read: sin) but He has already made a way to get past that.
I don't view life as a test, as much as I do an experience. Sure we face tests and trials, and how we react to them is important. To we turn to *** for help, strength, and/or guidance? Or do we try to do it on our own? Trusting *** builds an amazing relationship with Him, and that my friend, is the narrow road that the Bible is talking about that many don't travel. Taking the time to get to know ***, know his character, His call on our lives, is not easy, and many struggle with it. But it is worth it.
Can you explain what you mean by that wez?Have you accepted Jesus as your savior?
The day I was born..
The things Jesus talked about are the things I was born with and fought for and held onto for dear life against a hostile world without even knowing why at the time.. Now I know why.
So why would men and the world hate you for that? You sure the narrow road isn't something else?
eddo
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The world is mostly at odds with what Jesus taught, and if you know what He said as you say you do, then you should know that already:
Jesus taught about putting others before you. Man and the world teach "Me first"
Jesus taught that restraint was ***. Man and the world teaches "Do what ever you want, as long as it makes you feel goo, it's ok."
Jesus taught patience. Man and the world teach instant gratification.
Jesus taught selflessness. Man and the world thrive on selfishness.
The world hates the teachings of Jesus, because they aren't self serving.
snafu
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We all gotta go and if we won the lottery of life, why can't we win the lottery of life after? Just pondering.
http://Off Topic Forum.com/off-topic-bs/58-we-need-a-lyrics-post-74.html#post69753
http://Off Topic Forum.com/off-topic-bs/58-we-need-a-lyrics-post-74.html#post69753
Phantom
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Interesting stuff Aer..
I like this.. too true.. too true..
They are our guide.. a gift from ***.. or whatever else you want to call our creator..
To deny to myself and others.. any of them.. is quite foolish. I feel something for a reason and with some effort can always figure out why..
So why then, are we as children basically forced to deny them? They don't go away, but go inwards and fester til the point where many get lost and can no longer sort them.. sad state of affairs.
The worst part is children are not yet self equipped to deal with them.. they need the guide of elders who tell the truth.. the good, the bad, and the ugly.. Tough to rediscover as an adult.. and quite painful. But well worth it..
There are no bad emotions, contrary to popular belief..
I've even heard one genius tell me with pride.. "I could kill you without a shred of emotion, like cutting away a cancer".. yay him..
That's nothin' to be proud of, Rusty ~ Clark W. Griswold
I like this.. too true.. too true..
we obviously have it for a reason.. Where did it come from? Accident? I don't think so.. emotions may just be chemical impulses physically but the results of them.. unreal.
They are our guide.. a gift from ***.. or whatever else you want to call our creator..
To deny to myself and others.. any of them.. is quite foolish. I feel something for a reason and with some effort can always figure out why..
So why then, are we as children basically forced to deny them? They don't go away, but go inwards and fester til the point where many get lost and can no longer sort them.. sad state of affairs.
The worst part is children are not yet self equipped to deal with them.. they need the guide of elders who tell the truth.. the good, the bad, and the ugly.. Tough to rediscover as an adult.. and quite painful. But well worth it..
There are no bad emotions, contrary to popular belief..
I've even heard one genius tell me with pride.. "I could kill you without a shred of emotion, like cutting away a cancer".. yay him..
That's nothin' to be proud of, Rusty ~ Clark W. Griswold
jokersarewild
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Actually, con as a prefix can also mean "against", which would mean "against science", which would mean we use emotion as opposed to logic. Anyway...
In that link you posted, Phantom...
The first two are obvious to any intelligent being who believes what they're doing is gonna be big. Not a prophecy as much as an intelligent guess.
Same with three, really. This is a "Let's think big" type scenario.
With 4, you have to remember something: The "world" as they knew it back then was essentially a small chunk of the middle east. It's the same thing with ye olde Flood. They say "OMG the whole world was covered in water", but really, they had no way of knowing about the "whole world" yet.
With 5, it's just "blah blah everyone dies in the end times because of others." Well, you can't tell me we JUST NOW discovered the ability to massively slaughter large groups of people until the world was empty of people. Let's see...let's start even with the invention of the gun. Or, ****, industrialization. Make more guns and more bullets. So we've been waiting since like...the 1400s or so for this to happen? Ok...
6 states basically (in the text on the site) that we now have bombs that dissolve stuff. And that such was unimaginable back in Zechariah's day. However, what they don't tell you is that, if you read from Zech 14:1 on, it's actually *** saying "Well, whatever nations decide to attack Jerusalem are going to feel my wrath." Um, considering the power of ***, I'd think such things weren't unimaginable. Since he, you know, imagined it.
With 7, what they fail to examine is that there have always been hippies and cries for peace. There just hasn't quite been the population there is now. And really, your average citizen doesn't give two s about peace with other countries. Sure, they may have an opinion , but that doesn't mean they actually care about it.
More later. My internet keeps ting out on me
In that link you posted, Phantom...
The first two are obvious to any intelligent being who believes what they're doing is gonna be big. Not a prophecy as much as an intelligent guess.
Same with three, really. This is a "Let's think big" type scenario.
With 4, you have to remember something: The "world" as they knew it back then was essentially a small chunk of the middle east. It's the same thing with ye olde Flood. They say "OMG the whole world was covered in water", but really, they had no way of knowing about the "whole world" yet.
With 5, it's just "blah blah everyone dies in the end times because of others." Well, you can't tell me we JUST NOW discovered the ability to massively slaughter large groups of people until the world was empty of people. Let's see...let's start even with the invention of the gun. Or, ****, industrialization. Make more guns and more bullets. So we've been waiting since like...the 1400s or so for this to happen? Ok...
6 states basically (in the text on the site) that we now have bombs that dissolve stuff. And that such was unimaginable back in Zechariah's day. However, what they don't tell you is that, if you read from Zech 14:1 on, it's actually *** saying "Well, whatever nations decide to attack Jerusalem are going to feel my wrath." Um, considering the power of ***, I'd think such things weren't unimaginable. Since he, you know, imagined it.
With 7, what they fail to examine is that there have always been hippies and cries for peace. There just hasn't quite been the population there is now. And really, your average citizen doesn't give two s about peace with other countries. Sure, they may have an opinion , but that doesn't mean they actually care about it.
More later. My internet keeps ting out on me
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sheik-yerbouti
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I'm not at all surprised that there are "hundreds of fulfilled bible prophecies". Neither am I surprised that Nostradamus "saw" the future.
Its easy enough with romantic idiots to hand throughout the centuries, doing everything they can to convince fools that their business (religion) is the thing to buy into.
They rewrite the history books post event, and other times "favourably" interpret the prophecy.
I'm amazed that anyone believes this ****. There are no sky-faeries.
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sheik-yerbouti
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Well okay, no end of Christians go to Lourdes and other "holy ! " places. They say that *** has answered their prayers, and cured them.
So what has *** got against amputees ?
I'm still waiting for landmine casualties to get their prayers answered ! This would be definitive proof would it not?
It'll never happen. So now you need to come up with some convincing bull, like maybe the one thing they truly want, is the thing they dont pray to their sky faerie for.
But you'll never agree, they probably did pray to your ***, but s/he wont do any miracles for them. How very convenient. Much more plausible is this - s/he wont, because s/he does not exist.
Your faeries,gods, goblins and pixies dont have any magick. Thats because they dont exist.
I dont mind you believing it, because it helps you in some way. I only mind that this **** is forced into little minds at school/church etc.
I see no difference between theology, nazism, or Stalinism. It,s all brainwashing of the masses.
Phantom
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I just finished something like a 10 page debate on this on another forum. lol I have personally only known of one amputee that was healed (he lost one of his arms from the elbow down in a gas explosion) and that is the only case that matters to me because I do not accept hearsay stories. So they do get healed. *** doesn't promise or guarantee perfection in these temporary bodies but we are promised perfection in our heavenly bodies. As for other amputees who pray and are not answered, I would need to hear from them personally.
Again, I don't believe in fairies, goblins, pixes, magic, or even 'gods.' I only believe in *** (Jehovah) because He is the only one who has validated His existence to me.
That is somewhat of a misconception. Although some use their faith as a crutch and comfort, in some cases walking the walk only makes things more challenging because it requires a denial of the self. My faith is not a crutch but a way of life. Yes it does bring me comfort but not in the sense of hope. It brings me comfort in the sense of knowledge because knowledge is what led me to accept Jesus.
On this I agree. I am an ardent advocate of separation of church and state. The majority religion might be in my favor today but it might not be in a decade from now. Should I then be forced to pray to Allah or a universal one-world deity? I couldn't. Therefore, church and state separation for me all the way. Not to mention I want the government to keep their nose out of my church. Separation of church and state works both ways.
And I see no difference between atheism, Nazism, and Stalinism. It's all just brainwashing of the masses. Not to mention, much more deadly.